Your Arizona Cardinals now hold the 16th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft

[Gandhi]

For those who don't want the Cards to pass on an ILB or not trade down because of past history doesn't make sense to me. Those deals have nothing to do with this draft. If the Lions decided to not repeat past mistakes, they would never have drafted Calvin Johnson. The Cards might still be running Josh Rosen out there.

I completely agree with your point, Cbus, but I think people react to the fact that it would be the third first-round ILB since 2020, and since it is not a premium position, that might seem like overkill. I also understand that perspective. I do think it is a bit different with Campbell, though, since he can do many different things (and I remember how Karlos Dansby and Daryl Washington were instrumental for that defense’s success), and it is even a new regime, with a new scheme than with Collins and Simmons. But again, I think the narrative would be different if it was at a premium position.

 

[Chopper0080]

If the ILB is your guy and the best player available, you should definitely want to draft him. I get that it's not the ideal position but I'm not passing on my guy because of past success rates. QB has a terrible success rate also.

If Jihaad Campbell is the best player on your board at 16, you probably should revamp your process (the royal YOU, not you YOU).

 

[Chopper0080]

I both strongly agree and vehemently disagree. I've argued for years that ILBer is not a never draft in the 1st position; if you can get a Ray Lewis (sans murder) in the 1st, it's a no brainer. OTOH, the guy you draft had better be an immediate and top starter, or else yes, I feel it is a wasted pick better used otherwise.

This is where it falls. Your margin for error is so much higher because of the positional value, the 5th year option issue, and current market of vet ILBs. Basically, if you don't get Ray Lewis, the dude is off your roster in 5 years.

 

[BirdGangThing]

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[BirdGangThing]

brendan donahue has us taking mykel (edge) at 16
daniel jeremiah has us taking golden (wr) at 16
bucky brooks has us taking walter nolen (dt) at 16
chad reuter has us taking kelvin banks (ot) at 16

these are supposedly the best mockers - idk man

 

[Gandhi]

If Jihaad Campbell is the best player on your board at 16, you probably should revamp your process (the royal YOU, not you YOU).

He can become a big playmaker and tonesetter. I personally don't value that higher than quality play from a premium position, but many people do.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

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At 22 and Nolan still isn't taken, Monti needs to pick up the phone.

 

[BirdGangThing]

At 22 and Nolan still isn't taken, Monti needs to pick up the phone.

someone else had him falling to the second round

 

[dreamcastrocks]

someone else had him falling to the second round

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[SECTION 11]

Pretty sure I want either of Golden, Johnson, or Booker.

 

[Chopper0080]

He can become a big playmaker and tonesetter. I personally don't value that higher than quality play from a premium position, but many people do.

Maybe. Here is the 5 yr option issue for ILBs.

The Packers drafted Quay Walker in 2022 with pick 22.

Playtime is the first pay bump for players.

• Playtime: These players will be eligible for a fifth year base salary calculated from the average of the 3rd to 20th highest salaries at their position over the past five seasons, provided that their snap counts over their first three seasons meet one of the following three criteria:
  • 75% or greater in two of their first three seasons
  • an average of 75% or greater over all three seasons
  • 50% or greater over all three seasons

So Quay has hit this because he wasn't a bust. His 5th year option is 14.751 mil. This would make Quay Walker the 6th highest paid ILB in the NFL over Patrick Queen.

If he makes 1 Pro Bowl (he hasn't), his 5th year option bumps to 20.862 mil. That would be more than Roquan Smith's per year average for highest paid LB in the NFL.

Even if you want to extend him at a lower rate, that 5th years factors into the negotiation. And if not, you get into a bidding war with the league for your 25 year old LB.

 

[Shane]

In a way that’s the problem. Why move up and surrender picks if you can stay put and get a comparable player? I’m not hearing teams have strong preferences. This is why even the knowledgeable mocks differ so much, teams are sending mixed signals. There may be several trades, but I think most will be short moves to get ahead of a team that may take a prospect the trader wants.

I mean, call me crazy but isn’t that the whole purpose of a trade to begin with to get ahead of a team who might want somebody?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Thing is, ...if he turns into Ray Lewis sans homicide nobody will care when we drafted him.

Yup. I know it’s a more wide open league but dreams of a Lewis or kuecly or rancher tearing up the field have always danced through my head.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I think a lot of people are looking at Campbell and thinking of playing him at Edge exclusively.

Then he’s not a first round guy imo

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

yep. especially considering that Giants pick could very easily be a top 10 overall pick next season.

Feel like we heard that somewhere before…

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Here was the list for 2024 and 2023

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We drafted someone with whom we met both years. So pick you best amongst this years interviewees.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

If Golden falls to our pick 16

and and and and

KM rediscovered his long ball toss then

maybe maybe and maybe

that would be considered instant impact.

Key point, I have some wetlands property in Florida I might part with

Though receiver isn’t generally what I’m thinking I keep coming back to golden. I think absent either something crazy like Carter, Graham or Will Johnson falling to us I think I want golden or green.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

the scenario I can imagine is if a team falls in love with an offensive skill player in short supply

Tet McMillan or Tyler Warren drops, heck maybe even Jeanty.

Maybe an OT -- assume Campbell and Membou go early, leaving Banks as the one "clean" top OT left (although he would be on the Cards radar at that point too)

This feels nuts, but if jeanty drops I draft him without thinking twice.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

brendan donahue has us taking mykel (edge) at 16
daniel jeremiah has us taking golden (wr) at 16
bucky brooks has us taking walter nolen (dt) at 16
chad reuter has us taking kelvin banks (ot) at 16

these are supposedly the best mockers - idk man

ChatGPT just told me Donahue selected Mike green. Weird.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

If the ILB is your guy and the best player available, you should definitely want to draft him. I get that it's not the ideal position but I'm not passing on my guy because of past success rates. QB has a terrible success rate also.

Maybe. Here is the 5 yr option issue for ILBs.

The Packers drafted Quay Walker in 2022 with pick 22.

Playtime is the first pay bump for players.

• Playtime: These players will be eligible for a fifth year base salary calculated from the average of the 3rd to 20th highest salaries at their position over the past five seasons, provided that their snap counts over their first three seasons meet one of the following three criteria:
  • 75% or greater in two of their first three seasons
  • an average of 75% or greater over all three seasons
  • 50% or greater over all three seasons

So Quay has hit this because he wasn't a bust. His 5th year option is 14.751 mil. This would make Quay Walker the 6th highest paid ILB in the NFL over Patrick Queen.

If he makes 1 Pro Bowl (he hasn't), his 5th year option bumps to 20.862 mil. That would be more than Roquan Smith's per year average for highest paid LB in the NFL.

Even if you want to extend him at a lower rate, that 5th years factors into the negotiation. And if not, you get into a bidding war with the league for your 25 year old LB.

But most teams, other than the QB position aren’t drafting player because of their 5th year option.

 

[sinsay]

Kenneth Grant is the safest pick. He will start with the 2 free agents.

 

[BACH]

He can become a big playmaker and tonesetter. I personally don't value that higher than quality play from a premium position, but many people do.

That is the reason why it’s not a premium. The difference between a run of the mill 5th rounder and good starter is minimal. As someone pointed out. Unless you get a top 3 elite player, the value is not there IMO

 

[Red on White]

We were 13th in sacks last year considering our injuries, thats a pretty good ranking. 5th in taking sacks.

I’m trying to figure out why we would draft a edge player at 16.

Personally, I want to go with WR Golden if he is there.

WRs are expensive these days. Having two under cost control for the next four years is a good strategy.

Do they measure how quickly QBs release their passes?

I'm wondering if one of the reasons our raw sack numbers were decent is because the opposition QBs felt little pressure, felt they had all day to throw. Eventually we got to them at times but on balance they had time to pick us apart.

 

[BigDavis75]

Do they measure how quickly QBs release their passes?

I'm wondering if one of the reasons our raw sack numbers were decent is because the opposition QBs felt little pressure, felt they had all day to throw. Eventually we got to them at times but on balance they had time to pick us apart.

Our blitz percentage was extremely high iirc which I think explains most of this.