Your Arizona Cardinals now hold the 16th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft

[Gandhi]

This doesn’t support your point. It supports mine.

I thought your point was that the 5th year option played a role. But since you don't, we agree.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I mean...they kinda are. The 5th year options for S, TE, RB, EDGE, DL, WR, OT, CB and QB aren't detrimental to the extension of those players like it is for ILB and IOL. The goal is to get a long term player with your 1st round pick, and you can use that 5th year to get an extra cost controlled year OR use it as a starting point for the contract extension. For ILB and IOL it does the opposite.

That was an interesting exercise. Thank you. Eye opening

 

[kerouac9]

I thought your point was that the 5th year option played a role. But since you don't, we agree.

Don’t you believe that a zero percent success rate on extension and a zero percent pickup rate on fifth year options is compelling evidence that they do in fact play a role in retaining off-ball linebackers past their rookie contract? Do you believe that all 25 selections were just busts?

 

[GatorAZ]

The past two seasons Nic Scourton had 15 sacks and 29 TFL. He doesn’t turn 21 until August and sounds like a Gannon guy in interviews. I won’t be surprised if he’s our pick cause he’s a two-way player vs pass and run. He slimmed down after season and seems to be a primary edge going forward.

 

[Gandhi]

Don’t you believe that a zero percent success rate on extension and a zero percent pickup rate on fifth year options is compelling evidence that they do in fact play a role in retaining off-ball linebackers past their rookie contract? Do you believe that all 25 selections were just busts?

Six of them signed bigger contracts when their rookie deals were up. 18 either signed small or average contracts, and most of them are on practice squads with their third, fourth or fifth team, if they are not completely out of the league.

I will stop here. You obviously don’t do any research to know if your guesses are correct, so it doesn’t make sense for me to continue.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

The past two seasons Nic Scourton had 15 sacks and 29 TFL. He doesn’t turn 21 until August and sounds like a Gannon guy in interviews. I won’t be surprised if he’s our pick cause he’s a two-way player vs pass and run. He slimmed down after season and seems to be a primary edge going forward.

Trade to 20/22 and draft Scourton and I'd be okay with that.

 

[kerouac9]

Six of them signed bigger contracts when their rookie deals were up. 18 either signed small or average contracts, and most of them are on practice squads with their third, fourth or fifth team, if they are not completely out of the league.

I will stop here. You obviously don’t do any research to know if your guesses are correct, so it doesn’t make sense for me to continue.

Hilarious. Zero stayed with the team that drafted them. No lessons learned from 25 instances.

Got it.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

The past two seasons Nic Scourton had 15 sacks and 29 TFL. He doesn’t turn 21 until August and sounds like a Gannon guy in interviews. I won’t be surprised if he’s our pick cause he’s a two-way player vs pass and run. He slimmed down after season and seems to be a primary edge going forward.

And I would be happy with this…only way I would be upset is if we don’t go trenches…offense or defense?

 

[GatorAZ]

Trade to 20/22 and draft Scourton and I'd be okay with that.

Ideally yes but I don’t think the opportunity presents itself.

 

[QuebecCard]

Walter Nolen at #16.

Followed by a trade back into late first for Josh Simmons, who'll redshirt for a year.

 

[CardNots]

Hilarious. Zero stayed with the team that drafted them. No lessons learned from 25 instances.

Got it.

Which begs the question, do GMs draft with a priority of a mainstay player or simply a 4-5 year rental?

Which brings me to me as a fan. Do I want a foundational pick or one who plugs a hole/depth on my team.

I’m not really sure. I know I care about my team winning more than who the individual players are.

Maybe I need to change how I view the draft going forward

 

[Chopper0080]

Six of them signed bigger contracts when their rookie deals were up. 18 either signed small or average contracts, and most of them are on practice squads with their third, fourth or fifth team, if they are not completely out of the league.

I will stop here. You obviously don’t do any research to know if your guesses are correct, so it doesn’t make sense for me to continue.

The point being that none were retained by the team that drafted them. So the team that drafted them saw zero production when it comes to the prime of these players careers 100% of the time. This highlights how the 5th year option is detrimental at ILB for retaining those players, and is also a poor plan for the 1st round when it comes to building through draft.

 

[PACardsFan]

Walter Nolen at #16.

Followed by a trade back into late first for Josh Simmons, who'll redshirt for a year.

Would love this!!

 

[GatorAZ]

Breer:
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Michigan CB Will Johnson has a knee issue that’s been flagged. It shouldn’t affect him in the short term, but teams are concerned it could impact his longevity. Add to the questions on Johnson’s long speed, which were not allayed when he decided not to run a 40, and the Wolverine star could slide.

https://www.si.com/nfl/takeaways-shedeur-sanders-could-fall-2025-nfl-draft#_rl9a5beyt

 

[Harry]

Much has been written lately about Grant’s ability to penetrate, not just anchor. In fact several have speculated that Grant is a better fit for a 3-4. This is essentially what the Cards run often, but they are very creative in alignments. I’m certainly not confident he’s the Cards’ choice. Nonetheless I’ve studied lots of film and watched numerous games and I’m confident he can blow up a pocket. I’m not sure he’ll stack up tons of sacks, but my feeling is he will really enhance the outside rushers ability to collect sacks. Sweat would definitely benefit from that circumstance as he has a high degree of awareness when he rushes. He always seems to collect those opportunistic sacks. Grant did have 23 QB pressures to go with his 3.5 sacks in 2024. Graham had the same number of sacks and 34 QB pressures. BTW pressures is not an official stat, so you’ll see some variance depending on the standard used.

 

[BigDavis75]

Much has been written lately about Grant’s ability to penetrate, not just anchor. In fact several have speculated that Grant is a better fit for a 3-4. This is essentially what the Cards run often, but they are very creative in alignments. I’m certainly not confident he’s the Cards’ choice. Nonetheless I’ve studied lots of film and watched numerous games and I’m confident he can blow up a pocket. I’m not sure he’ll stack up tons of sacks, but my feeling is he will really enhance the outside rushers ability to collect sacks. Sweat would definitely benefit from that circumstance as he has a high degree of awareness when he rushes. He always seems to collect those opportunistic sacks. Grant did have 23 QB pressures to go with his 3.5 sacks in 2024. Graham had the same number of sacks and 34 QB pressures. BTW pressures is not an official stat, so you’ll see some variance depending on the standard used.

Does he strike you as a guy we could trade down into the twenties and still get?

 

[Gandhi]

The point being that none were retained by the team that drafted them. So the team that drafted them saw zero production when it comes to the prime of these players careers 100% of the time. This highlights how the 5th year option is detrimental at ILB for retaining those players, and is also a poor plan for the 1st round when it comes to building through draft.

No, it doesn't highlight it, but I agree with all the rest. I mentioned in my first post regarding this how teams should not draft off-ball linebackers in the first round because of expected ball production. It should be for other reasons.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Maybe Monti will cook again this Draft:

Chargers trade with the Cardinals and select Loveland with the #16 overall pick:
* Arizona trades #16 to the Chargers for their #22, #86 and #125

Cardinals select Tyler Booker G Alabama with the #22 overall pick.

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Then Monti gets aggressive and moves back into the first round in a trade with the Commanders. Washington currently only has 5 picks in this draft and is looking to restock some picks. So the Cardinals bundle their second rounder and the picks from the previous trade with the Chargers to make the move.
* Arizona trades #47, #86, and #125 to the Commanders for pick #29


Cardinals select Kenneth Grant DT Mich with the #29 overall pick

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Monti adds two "Big Uglies" in the middle of both Lines!

 

[BirdGangThing]

Maybe Monti will cook again this Draft:

Chargers trade with the Cardinals and select Loveland with the #16 overall pick:
* Arizona trades #16 to the Chargers for their #22, #86 and #125

Cardinals select Tyler Booker G Alabama with the #22 overall pick.

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Then Monti gets aggressive and moves back into the first round in a trade with the Commanders. Washington currently only has 5 picks in this draft and is looking to restock some picks. So the Cardinals bundle their second rounder and the picks from the previous trade with the Chargers to make the move.
* Arizona trades #47, #86, and #125 to the Commanders for pick #29


Cardinals select Kenneth Grant DT Mich with the #29 overall pick

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Monti adds two "Big Uglies" in the middle of both Lines!

i've been on the trade back for booker for a minute now - just seems so monti (and petzing) for that matter

not re-signing hernandez is definitely a part of that logic - but im thinking we go offense in the second round as well

 

[PDXChris]

55 hours away!

 

[CardNots]

but im thinking we go offense in the second round as well

Who for?

 

[Goldfield]

Maybe Monti will cook again this Draft:

Chargers trade with the Cardinals and select Loveland with the #16 overall pick:
* Arizona trades #16 to the Chargers for their #22, #86 and #125

Cardinals select Tyler Booker G Alabama with the #22 overall pick.

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Then Monti gets aggressive and moves back into the first round in a trade with the Commanders. Washington currently only has 5 picks in this draft and is looking to restock some picks. So the Cardinals bundle their second rounder and the picks from the previous trade with the Chargers to make the move.
* Arizona trades #47, #86, and #125 to the Commanders for pick #29


Cardinals select Kenneth Grant DT Mich with the #29 overall pick

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Monti adds two "Big Uglies" in the middle of both Lines!

Yes plz

 

[TRW]

55 hours away!

Hallelujah! Then everyone can go back to the Kyler Murray debate thread.

Just kidding. Sort of.

 

[BirdGangThing]

Who for?

tackle or wr

 

[BirdGangThing]

took a million years to get to the draft - another 2 million years before training camp - suns went bust and i can't watch baseball 8 days a week - im freakin dyin' over here - binge watching bull ish - plus it's about to be 400° outside - wish i could go to vegas and hang out in the dead parking lot for a couple few months