Your Arizona Cardinals now hold the 16th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft

[Gandhi]

So you haven’t heard anyone saying it, yet you know the story. Interesting.

But no. That is not correct. A lot of people are saying that his tape from the first 4,5 games before he was injured would have made him the #1.

Heard it from Danial Jerimiah, Dane Bugler and Steve Parazolla.

Mel Kiper has said since January that Simmons had been the top rated OT. Just this morning I heard Ryan Wilson and Ran Carthon say it.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Why is Stewart not in consideration, to me he looks better than any of these 5 guys on video, and he tested off the chart athletically.

Because even with those tools he was remarkably unproductive.

I was listening to Brett Kollman talking about him and it's true, his lack of any pass rush plan is staggering. He's just NOT a good football player and the stats show that.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I would not be a fan of the Egbuka pick. He's been productive but he's also been there awhile which is the reason for his numbers. He's never been the #1. Out of Garrett Williams, Chris Olave, Jaxon Smith-Njigba, Marvin, and the 2 WR's returning to OSU, Jeremiah Smith and Carnell Tate, Egbuka is at the bottom of the list. That's not a guy you take at 16.

Also, I heard Ryan Clark on Sportscenter hyping up my guy. He said Jihaad Campbell has HOF talent and has no weaknesses but does that shoulder issue. That shoulder should be 100% recovered though.
I mean if people are OK "redshirting" Simmons, why would Campbell's shoulder that may keep him out a few games, be a reason not to take him? Campbell's recovery is much less tenuous than the injury Simmons has.

 

[schutd]

From what I've read he has all the tools to be great. The Cardinals have the luxury of redshirting him for a year.
That said, any of the 5 guys on Gambo's list seem to be high character coach able players. And I would be happy with any of them. Three of them could be available at 16.

We havent been a relevant football team in a decade, it feels like we are on the precipice of something, ANYTHING, and you think we have "the luxury" of redshirting a rd. 1 pick for a year? Wild.

 

[schutd]

At 3:10?

Uhhhhh, I believe the 3:10 is TO Yuma, not arriving at.

 

[BACH]

Because even with those tools he was remarkably unproductive.

I was listening to Brett Kollman talking about him and it's true, his lack of any pass rush plan is staggering. He's just NOT a good football player and the stats show that.

Check the Mic did almost on hour on super athlete Edge rushers with low production.

They actually thought that he was a good football player. Very good in the run game, but also very clear that it’s unlikely that he will ever live up to his metrics as a pass rusher. They comped him to Greg Rousseau from the Bills. Good starter, but realistically a 6-8 sacks guy. For every 1 of these players with crazy metrics and low production being a succes, there are 5 guys only being average or flopping entirely.

 

[BACH]

I would not be a fan of the Egbuka pick. He's been productive but he's also been there awhile which is the reason for his numbers. He's never been the #1. Out of Garrett Williams, Chris Olave, Jaxon Smith-Njigba, Marvin, and the 2 WR's returning to OSU, Jeremiah Smith and Carnell Tate, Egbuka is at the bottom of the list. That's not a guy you take at 16.

Also, I heard Ryan Clark on Sportscenter hyping up my guy. He said Jihaad Campbell has HOF talent and has no weaknesses but does that shoulder issue. That shoulder should be 100% recovered though.
I mean if people are OK "redshirting" Simmons, why would Campbell's shoulder that may keep him out a few games, be a reason not to take him? Campbell's recovery is much less tenuous than the injury Simmons has.

True. But for me it’s the low posional value that is the tigger.

 

[Stout]

While I agree, redshirting Garrett Williams has worked out so far.

I just think he wouldn't be worth it overall. I'm only redshirting a blue chip talent in round one.

A 3rd round pick. Not the 1st round pick. Were we a KC or a Baltimore, we could get away with doing that. We aren't, and we can't.

 

[BACH]

A 3rd round pick. Not the 1st round pick. Were we a KC or a Baltimore, we could get away with doing that. We aren't, and we can't.

Get your point, but the positional value is so much higher at OT

 

[Harry]

lol…the full quote is that if he would have continued to progress at the rate he improved from 2024 to 2024, he might have been a top prospect. He has never played like a top 5 tackle in college. And his improvement over the 1st 6 games had 5 games where OSU won by 35+ pts. His improvement was not against good competition.

Can I please have the link on that. It was the complete quote on the Field article I took it from. I don’t change quotes to support my position.

 

[NMCard]

Coach JB is about to have a cards wire writer as a guest.

 

[DVontel]

if his medicals are clear

My final answer believes Josh Simmons will be the pick.

 

[kerouac9]

And you basing this on what?

Because it's relatively rare for anyone to move into a top eight position as a WR or average 8+ sacks a year and 23+ pressures as an edge. I think it's more likely with Robinson (because the thresholds are lower), but I don't think you can say that it's more likely than not that Charmin surpasses, say, Terry McLaurin next year.

While I agree, redshirting Garrett Williams has worked out so far.

I just think he wouldn't be worth it overall. I'm only redshirting a blue chip talent in round one.

Garrett Williams was activated from IRD on October 21 of his rookie year and played his first game the next day. That's not a redshirt season; he missed six games.

 

[football karma]

my conspiracy theory on the Gambo 5:

the Cards have a good idea they are moving back a few spots -- and Simmons, Booker and even Harmon are targets for a spot in the 20s


thats all i got

 

[Harry]

This is an option. He might well have been the number two OT if not injured.

Chopper, posted “I disagree with that sentiment. I haven't read anywhere that he was playing at the level of Campbell or Membou.”

The above is my original post & Chopper’s initial response. You said no one rated him that highly before injury. “Kiper continued. “Josh Simmons, as a left tackle, was well on his way this year to becoming maybe the third, fourth, fifth pick in the draft. But he didn’t finish out the year,” Kiper added. “He had cleaned up all the issues with penalties. He had developed into an elite left tackle. Probably ahead of Will Campbell had he been healthy, but he’s not, and when’s he going to be ready?” This clearly indicates he was thought of that highly. I can’t find the continuation you posted, but it referred to post injury, which was not my point. Not certain how my post rose to “lol” status.

 

[Stout]

Get your point, but the positional value is so much higher at OT

Not for someone who I don't highly covet, but especially not for someone in the first round. Also, OT is not so outrageously better positionally than CB as to erase a 2-round difference. The comparison just doesn't hold up.

For me, this is how I break it down:
1--We're not in a position to redshirt our 1st rounder
2--I don't love the prospect
3--We need instant impact starters, and an OT probably won't be that guy--he'd start as a backup, IMO

#1 also rules out other players.

 

[BACH]

Not for someone who I don't highly covet, but especially not for someone in the first round. Also, OT is not so outrageously better positionally than CB as to erase a 2-round difference. The comparison just doesn't hold up.

For me, this is how I break it down:
1--We're not in a position to redshirt our 1st rounder
2--I don't love the prospect
3--We need instant impact starters, and an OT probably won't be that guy--he'd start as a backup, IMO

#1 also rules out other players.

I’m not a fan of Simmons at 16 either. I want something to make an impact now, but I do buy the logic. In a draft with limited star power, this could become the best value - just long term instead of immidiately

 

[BACH]

Because it's relatively rare for anyone to move into a top eight position as a WR or average 8+ sacks a year and 23+ pressures as an edge. I think it's more likely with Robinson (because the thresholds are lower), but I don't think you can say that it's more likely than not that Charmin surpasses, say, Terry McLaurin next year.

This is simply not correct.

 

[SECTION 11]

Uhhhhh, I believe the 3:10 is TO Yuma, not arriving at.

I was wondering where everyone was.

 

[kerouac9]

This is simply not correct.

Well argued.

 

[CardNots]

We havent been a relevant football team in a decade, it feels like we are on the precipice of something, ANYTHING, and you think we have "the luxury" of redshirting a rd. 1 pick for a year? Wild.

Oh?

We have been relevant since selecting Kyler as the top pick in the draft.

Maybe you can explain your definition of relevance?

 

[BACH]

Well argued.

No need to counter argue something that you make up.

 

[GatorAZ]

God, that would be terrible drafting. We are in no position roster wise to redshirt our 1st round picks.

I don’t think anyone we take on defense is a game changer in year one. Whereas Jonah is a solid player with one year left on his deal and we’ll have to address that spot eventually. It all sets up for the ability to be patient with Simmons. If we were picking top-10 redshirting a guy would be a hang up but not at #16.

 

[Proximo]

Because even with those tools he was remarkably unproductive.

I was listening to Brett Kollman talking about him and it's true, his lack of any pass rush plan is staggering. He's just NOT a good football player and the stats show that.

Mykel Williams has barely been more productive - and he looks slow as hell. The book on him is he has potential, well maybe - but if he has potential than someone with Stewarts athletic ability has even more.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Not for someone who I don't highly covet, but especially not for someone in the first round. Also, OT is not so outrageously better positionally than CB as to erase a 2-round difference. The comparison just doesn't hold up.

For me, this is how I break it down:
1--We're not in a position to redshirt our 1st rounder
2--I don't love the prospect
3--We need instant impact starters, and an OT probably won't be that guy--he'd start as a backup, IMO

#1 also rules out other players.

And positional value takes a hit when you consider the individual will be a RIGHT tackle.