Your Evaluation of Skelton's Play?

[THESMEL]

rut roh

Darn it Mitch I had hope till you said that. Coachs got a hold of him now. fair warning, look at the 2 qBs they had a hold of.

I have hope for young RED Skelton, He has nice wheels for his size, a clock in his head, cool under pressure, can throw through a block wall, yet trys to put touch on the ball.

announcer kept saying he can't loop it like that, BS DA don't loop it like that anmd has absolutely no touch. Skelton can bullet it 50 yards on a line every time, but he don't. He has more sense than that.

His timing is off and not adjusted to the pro game speed, He got a lil better over the course but some of his catches were great plays by the receivers too! That one behind Fitz was a remarkable catch of a bad throw.

most the passes were behind, he threw quite a few away, it was the right thing to do to. THT wore them down and than abused them late in the game. that was beautiful thing to see.

He's ready to develope on the field because he is better than our other QB's. He is not as big a liability as the others, hence gives us the best chance to win. who knows Rams and Seattle both lost again were only 2 out with 3 to go, and got the Niners at their house the last game.

I aint raising my grade any He went 14 for 37, and 2 rookie games worth of throws in 1 game, He may not be the worse QB in the NFL next week and that was my hope. He may not be a starter quality but he's a keeper.
time will tell.

whiz is an idiot. the Bean was sick... again, LSH had feature back reps and THT had a career day late in the 2nd half. We need The Bean to beat em up early like the beast he is.

Remember my friends...this was almost ALL on his own!!! The Cardinal coaches have done NOTHING this year to prepare him for this until this week...where he was told he had to beat out a UFL backup, signed on Tuesday, for the starting spot.

Forget the incompletions (there were several dropws too and so many close catches, like a couple of Breaston's)...it was the decision making...and the steadiness to guide the offense...and 43 points!!! Steady, smart QB play enables this!!!

 

[Shane]

We need The Bean to beat em up early like the beast he is.

He's a beast alright. In the bathroom from the way it sounds. Certainly not on the field.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

This. I still can't believe Skelton was throwing at Bailey's side as much as he did without nearly getting picked once.

The announcers were complaining that he was lobbing the ball up there and I was loving it. It's the first time all season that he gave our receivers a chance to go up for the ball and make a play. That made me hopeful.

 

[Mulli]

The announcers were complaining that he was lobbing the ball up there and I was loving it. It's the first time all season that he gave our receivers a chance to go up for the ball and make a play. That made me hopeful.

Did you hear what Gannon (I think he was announcing) said about DA's completion percentage?

He called it "disturbing"

It ruled.

 

[JeffGollin]

It's hard to put into words.

But I'll try:

Skelton completed less than 50% of his passes and had a QB Rating in the neighborhood of 52.8 (That's "Derek Anderson Country"). Yet he's precisely what we needed. How can that be?

Best way to describe it might be to visualize Skelton fading back to pass and facing considerable pressure from enemy pass rushers. If it had been #3 (Anderson), you'd expect him to pivot the wrong way, trip over one of his blockers or throw the ball into a group of 3 defenders. If it had been #6 (you'd expect him to be...like...trying to throw out of a manhole before being squished by a 6-5 300lb defensive tackle).

But - at 6-6 with nimbler than expected feet and good vision - Skelton never made the wrong move, never tripped over his blockers or put the ball up for grabs. In fact, that one scramble after putting his hand on the ground for ballance was very Favre-like. So too was his block on the end-around. And mention was made of the hard-count and calling the time out in the nick of time. And how about the number of passes he threw away because the play simply wasn't there? (& overthrowing or underthrowing covered receivers in order to avoid grounding calls)? And how he didn't crumble when his receivers repeatedly dropped catchable balls early in the game?

All of which translated into zero picks and zero sacks, which, in turn, allowed our running attack, defense and Feely win it for us (& in a big way).

Would you have seen any of these things from Anderson, Hall or even Leinart? (I don't think so).

Bottom line - When you see Skelton fade back to pass, you get the feeling "he can be trusted."

Now - Let's seem him do it a couple more times in a row and I will be really, really (as opposed to very) excited.

 

[TJ]

This was not a great nor good performance by any stretch of the imagination; however, I was impressed with his poise and ability to rebound.

First, his "intangibles" (I know you're probably sick of this word) were impressive. As Whis stated, a good way to evaluate a player is to see how he rebounds from adversity. He improved as the game went along. Skelton didnt ride the highs nor ride the lows. He stayed even keeled. Fitz made it known that he appears emotionless. Nothing wrong with this as long as he stays focused. I like this because if he were to get rattled, his performance would regress i.e. Anderson. Skelton got better and more comfortable with the game speed after the first quarter.

Second, I love the kid's arm. He has a quick release and gets the ball to where he wants to in a hurry. He had accuracy issues. For example, the catch where Fitz leaped in the middle, He had to adjust to his left to make the grab. But I always say, get it in his radius and he'll make the grab.

Overall, we are talking about a rookie. This time, it's a rookie who has the physical tools to succeed in this league unlike Max Hall. It is on him to fine tune his skills to adjust to the game speed of the NFL. He has three games this season to do so and offseason workouts next year if he wants to lock down the starting position.

What reassured me about his play was that during the braodcast, Rich Gannon went out of his way to praise the kid over and over again despite his mediocre statistics.


IMO, Whis has high hopes for Skelton and wanted him to try and develop him into the QBoF. He is raw and no where near a finished product. I look forward to him starting the rest of the season to at least get a prequel as to what we'll see moving forward

 

[AsUdUdE]

In one word... Dangerous

Yes there were 4 dropped passes, but lets not go overboard here people, he was still 14-36 for 170 yeards...

Yes he was better than DA, and yes it was his first start, but Denver is Horrific, and the Panthers are even worse... which is why I said Dangerous..

Watch him lead us to victory next week as well, and play just well enough for our coaches to think "hey lets stick with this kid next year" and pass on a legit Franchise QB in the draft/Free Agency...

He does have a cannon no doubt, but his throwing motion is so damn long that the moment we face a team with any pass rush WHATSOEVER he will get stripped and sacked at an alarming rate...

So lets not crown him just yet, The Defense/Denver Offense won this game for the cards this week..

 

[desertdawg]

This was not a great nor good performance by any stretch of the imagination; however, I was impressed with his poise and ability to rebound.

First, his "intangibles" (I know you're probably sick of this word) were impressive. As Whis stated, a good way to evaluate a player is to see how he rebounds from adversity. He improved as the game went along. Skelton didnt ride the highs nor ride the lows. He stayed even keeled. Fitz made it known that he appears emotionless. Nothing wrong with this as long as he stays focused. I like this because if he were to get rattled, his performance would regress i.e. Anderson. Skelton got better and more comfortable with the game speed after the first quarter.

Second, I love the kid's arm. He has a quick release and gets the ball to where he wants to in a hurry. He had accuracy issues. For example, the catch where Fitz leaped in the middle, He had to adjust to his left to make the grab. But I always say, get it in his radius and he'll make the grab.

Overall, we are talking about a rookie. This time, it's a rookie who has the physical tools to succeed in this league unlike Max Hall. It is on him to fine tune his skills to adjust to the game speed of the NFL. He has three games this season to do so and offseason workouts next year if he wants to lock down the starting position.

What reassured me about his play was that during the interview, Rich Gannon went out of his way to praise the kid over and over again despite his mediocre statistics.


IMO, Whis has high hopes for Skelton and wanted him to try and develop him into the QBoF. He is raw and no where near a finished product. I look forward to him starting the rest of the season to at least get a prequel as to what we'll see moving forward

Nice TJ. Next three games actually matter now, we can see what we have going into next year. This was only one game, but it wasn't like any of the others.

 

[Mulli]

This was not a great nor good performance by any stretch of the imagination; however, I was impressed with his poise and ability to rebound.

First, his "intangibles" (I know you're probably sick of this word) were impressive. As Whis stated, a good way to evaluate a player is to see how he rebounds from adversity. He improved as the game went along. Skelton didnt ride the highs nor ride the lows. He stayed even keeled. Fitz made it known that he appears emotionless. Nothing wrong with this as long as he stays focused. I like this because if he were to get rattled, his performance would regress i.e. Anderson. Skelton got better and more comfortable with the game speed after the first quarter.

Second, I love the kid's arm. He has a quick release and gets the ball to where he wants to in a hurry. He had accuracy issues. For example, the catch where Fitz leaped in the middle, He had to adjust to his left to make the grab. But I always say, get it in his radius and he'll make the grab.

Overall, we are talking about a rookie. This time, it's a rookie who has the physical tools to succeed in this league unlike Max Hall. It is on him to fine tune his skills to adjust to the game speed of the NFL. He has three games this season to do so and offseason workouts next year if he wants to lock down the starting position.

What reassured me about his play was that during the interview, Rich Gannon went out of his way to praise the kid over and over again despite his mediocre statistics.


IMO, Whis has high hopes for Skelton and wanted him to try and develop him into the QBoF. He is raw and no where near a finished product. I look forward to him starting the rest of the season to at least get a prequel as to what we'll see moving forward

It was a good performance for a rookie in his first start.

 

[CardsFan88]

Ehh, I remember Hall playing "alright" in his first start as well. Wiz better bring in a solid vet to lead this team next year, and/or be smart enough to draft Newton or Luck if they are available when the Cards pick.

The way hall played 'allright', and Skelton played with 'alright numbers' are TWO COMPLETELY different things.

This is why in life numbers mean very little. It's knowing the CONTEXT behind them.

Skelton played the QB position in that game, almost as well as any QB out there. The numbers in the end weren't there, but they could have been.

With Max Hall, it was pretty obvious even while he was winning that game, that we were seeing everything that he could be, but he just wasn't capable of more.

With Skelton, we saw a much more aware (younger QB), with the tools to get the job done.

So many times in life, people see numbers, and actually think they mean something. Let me tell you, Skelton's numbers' may not look to the layman like he was much better than Hall's numbers.

But in terms of actually playing. I'd give skelton and 8 (10 for a rookie) for that game, while hall would get a 3 in his. If people want numbers for comparison in a really faux reality world, I'll switch Skelton and Hall to RB and use RB style numbers to explain what they did. Hall when 20 att 57 yards 1 td. Skelton went 20 att 135 yds 3 td's. There really was THIS much difference between the two.

I'd rather stay with Skelton so far. We have three games more to find out. Plus would anyone really want Luck over Skelton? I can see Newton. But if not Newton, we should probably stick with Skelton if he continues to perform well these last three games. If he doesn't. Perhaps we still should.

I had hoped Skelton would start for us sooner, but oh well. Maybe not in time for this season, but this experience should really give him a lot to think about and improve upon during the offseason.

Skelton played great. Numbers aren't everything. (well they ARE, but not that they SHOULD BE, just because in this world we have *&^R*zzes that weigh a bunch of bull heavier than they should doesn't change what he is or correctly downplay what he isn't).

Skelton has all the tools, including a brain. He's got tools better than McClown, but without the deer in the headlights look. If anything, this kid looks like a complete QB that I haven't seen come out for a while. He's got a great shot to be better than Sam Bradford, and Bradford showed me something this year. He showed me alot. Skelton looks like he has a higher ceiling, better tools, with at least an equal mind (and a quicker release). That's what I like about Bradford, his head. Skelton's is all that and a bag of potato chips as well.

Now of course at some point he'll have a step back. But man, you could wish for more TD passes, yes, but you couldn't ask for much better QB play than we saw yesterday. He did that aspect perfectly. He even dealt with a center fumbling the snap twice, and handled that great. We were getting into a groove, and those fumbles probably cost Skelton a TD (along with dropped passes).

Just wait until S.Williams and him develop a repoire in 2011. Fitz/Breaston/Williams. That's going to be good.

Denver was horrific, except...good corners...ahem Skelton was going against Champ 'ain't no chump' Bailey. You can't discount any QB's play because he was going against 3-9 record, when that team has Champ Bailey. I swear is everybody stupid (in general - not the person quoted) about statistics? Wall STreet, gov't, sports, business. AND ALL OF THEM ARE ABOUT 100 percent wrong in how they are being used? Wow. People need to get off the statistics bandwagon. They mean JACK.

edit: Finally, this brought up a VERY IMPORTANT point

In one word... Dangerous

Yes there were 4 dropped passes, but lets not go overboard here people, he was still 14-36 for 170 yeards...

Watch him lead us to victory next week as well, and play just well enough for our coaches to think "hey lets stick with this kid next year" and pass on a legit Franchise QB in the draft/Free Agency...

He does have a cannon no doubt, but his throwing motion is so damn long that the moment we face a team with any pass rush WHATSOEVER he will get stripped and sacked at an alarming rate...

So lets not crown him just yet, The Defense/Denver Offense won this game for the cards this week..

With the catches, and without the center fumbles he could EASILY of had +2 td's and +125 yards. Add in the completions and it's OVER 50 percent.

But that's not what's important.

The 2nd part of the quote is pure sophistry. If we do anything based on that nothing, losers mentality (not saying you personally, but that's how losers think), we deserve to lose

But that's not what's important

Also his throwing motion isn't long, he was just being calm, cool, and collected. Also there's two things, length of time brain processes + throwing motion = total time to get rid of it. If #1 is faster than others, #2 can be a little slower. overall I'd say the package of BOTH is much quicker than most nfl qb's, and godly quicker than any of our other qb's on our roster. Plus you don't always have to flip it out as fast as possible. Part of what good players do is recognize what they have time to do. They sit on the field and process in real time any advantages they can take over their opponent. Plenty of time to throw, why rush it? When he needed to get it out quickly, he can, and did. I don't care what his average release time is, I care about the average release time when someone is in his face.

SO what is?
You mentioned the ol and dl won the game. Why did the ol be part of winning the game? Because he had time to throw and wasn't sacked?

Was that the OL? Or was that Skelton getting rid of the ball? I say it was skelton getting rid of the ball ALA Warner.

Did our OL fall off the cliff or was it the OL blocking for Warner and then blocking for Anderson/Hall/Leinart that got us in trouble?

I'd say it was the other qb's mostly. The ol did play well, but numerous times people got in the backfield where they would normally cause a sack, fumble, whatever but Skelton got rid of it, moved in the pocket, or ran. Even in yesterday's game there was 2-3 sacks that Anderson/Hall probably would've taken.

 

[MrYeahBut]

My view from the cheap seats..... it was nice to actually see passes that had some loft on them. While his reads were not perfect, he at least threw to a receiver that had a chance to catch it.

Yeah, there were errant throws, however nothing into triple coverage. I think he was greatly helped by the absence of a real pass rush even though he was hurried at times.

Loved the scramble ability, poise, pocket awareness etc as others have noted

I'm left feeling hopeful

 

[nashman]

It was nice to see a QB who actually looked like he knew what he was doing! That says a lot that a 5th round rookie looked better than the Vet our HC kept forcing on us all season, hopefully DA does not see the field again. Please Whiz don't be stupid and play DA anymore enough already with the nonsense!

 

[titan]

well he played ok but we will see next week. the one really good thing that happened is he made Fitz smile. Fitz was catching the ball from skelton and they weren't rockets or way over his head. i was surprised by how calm he was out there, no happy feet and he wasn't staring down one receiver all the time although he did do it a few times.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

There's nurturing and there's over-protecting, Whiz seems to be doing the latter. Sadly he looked closer to ready than our projected starter and his backup but yet Whiz was insistent that he wasn't ready even going through the week.

I understand wanting to protect him to a point but you have to see what you have eventually and let him learn on the field.

Whiz gets a mulligan this year but even you have to admit that there have been a lot of coaching/personnel decisions of his that are questionable at best.

I do think there have been some questionable moves this year but I still think Wiz is in a better position to decide whats best for Skeleton or not. Her sees the bigger picture unlike fans who are more into instant gratification. Again I have been repeating this over and over but for me personally:

3 Good Years > 1 Bad Year

 

[Arizona's Finest]

One thing that did impress me is that there was a play when Skelton stood up in the pocket and some guy literally bull rushed him and crumpled him in half but he got the ball off downfield. Wasn't complete but just getting that off was impressive. That ability to stand in the face of the rush and throw over the top bodes well.

Good first game but I expect him to get into the end zone next game before I start formalizing more concrete positive opinions.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Darn it Mitch I had hope till you said that. Coachs got a hold of him now. fair warning, look at the 2 qBs they had a hold of.

Man, things turned out horribly with that Rothlesberger and Warner fellow. Whiz really ruined their careers.

 

[Mulli]

Man, things turned out horribly with that Rothlesberger and Warner fellow. Whiz really ruined their careers.

Skelton is undefeated with Whiz as HC.

 

[TJ]

It was a good performance for a rookie in his first start.

I guess we have different standards. As Skelton stated, his performance was "decent." I didnt say it was bad. I gave him the rookie bell curve in my evaluation, but it was just "ok". Sam Bradford's 1st performance was good.

I would have loved to see him put the ball in the endzone and have a completion % greater than 50%. But I will give him this. He gave us more scoring opportunities than before (FG attempts).

 

[nashman]

I like how you assume Whiz had alot to do with Ben or Kurts success they have both proven to be MORE successful without him!

 

[dreamcastrocks]

It was a good performance for a rookie in his first start.

People said Max Hall's performance was good too...... because he won.

 

[THESMEL]

What He done For you Lately

How about Cutt Matt leinart, Started DA, Max Hall( is he still in the horsepital) and only after richard Bartel couldn't quite beat Skelton out, in 5 days on the team.

Whiz reluctantly startd Red Skelton- thats laughable Red oh Red

Were not out of the playoff hunt yet Rams and Hawks gotta lose 2 and tie the last game.

Niners gotta lose, beat the Rams and lose to the Cards,

Cards gotta beat Carolina, Cowpukes Christmas day, Niners

and WA Farting LA

We have home field advantage in the Wild Card!

CARDINAL UP AND TAKE IT LIKE A FAN
We laugh in the face of 7 losses in a row.
call THT's number 30 times a game and watch history happen,
any RB 30 times a game for that matter.

Whiz hasn't helped any QB with his balanced playcalling since BEN!

Man, things turned out horribly with that Rothlesberger and Warner fellow. Whiz really ruined their careers.

 

[Mulli]

People said Max Hall's performance was good too...... because he won.

Are you comparing Max Hall to John Skelton!!!?!?

Who cares? I think Skelton's performance in his first start was better.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Are you comparing Max Hall to John Skelton!!!?!?

Who cares? I think Skelton's performance in his first start was better.

lol.

I see what you did there.

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[Mulli]

How about Cutt Matt leinart, Started DA, Max Hall( is he still in the horsepital) and only after richard Bartel couldn't quite beat hin out,

Whiz reluctantly stated Red Skelton- thats laughable Red oh Red

Were not out of the play off hunt yet Rams and Hawks gotta lose 2 and tie the last game.

Niners gotta lose, beat the Rams and lose to the Cards,

Cards gotta beat Carolina, Cowpukes Christmas day, Niners

and WA Farting LA

We have home field advantage in the Wild Card!

 

[desertdawg]

Skelton is undefeated with Whiz as HC.

:bradichik: