Zarko Traded

[arthurracoon]

51. New Jersey Nets
Kyle Korver , F, Creighton
(traded to Philadelphia)

Dang.

This guy has been amazing this year! He has been awesome on my fantasy team. Great 3pt shooter.

 

[AmareFan]

We get a salary exception from this trade and may go after Malone later when it turns out we do need more experienced bigs for playoffs!

Gambo on 1060 confirmed that it is for a future/possible salary exception for a possible pickup later in the year and/or it will free up money to sign JJ. That's what the man said.

 

[F-Dog]

Answering my own question, using Hoopshype:

Steve Blake, Washington: 600K
Bostjan Nachbar, New Orleans: 1.5m (probably too much)
Kendall Gill, Milwaukee: 928K
Kareem Rush, Charlotte: 1.17m
Steve Smith, Charlotte: 1.1m

I don't see a lot of guys in that range who would help the Suns, even a little bit...

 

[Wally]

I see various positive possibilities on this trade.

The Suns wouln't have much/any time left for Zarko if they indend to develop Hunter & maybe Lampe & Vroman so both Zarko & the Suns benifit. Zarko will probably end up with some PT on GS, Suns don't have to put anyone on the IL for now they initially save the money if they don't use it to get another PG (could or would they bring Vujanic in now?). Zarko was a bust for the Suns because of circumstances but it's yet to be proven he's a bust in the NBA so I don't think comparing him with guys we didn't get means squat.

Good luck to you Zarko! Except when you play the Suns.

 

[devilalum]

I see various positive possibilities on this trade.

The Suns wouln't have much/any time left for Zarko if they indend to develop Hunter & maybe Lampe & Vroman so both Zarko & the Suns benifit. Zarko will probably end up with some PT on GS, Suns don't have to put anyone on the IL for now they initially save the money if they don't use it to get another PG (could or would they bring Vujanic in now?). Zarko was a bust for the Suns because of circumstances but it's yet to be proven he's a bust in the NBA so I don't think comparing him with guys we didn't get means squat.

Good luck to you Zarko! Except when you play the Suns.

They've gotta bring somebody in.

No team carries only 12 players.

It's hard to even practice with only 12 players.

 

[arthurracoon]

Good luck to you Zarko! Except when you play the Suns.

I hope he is able to play like he did pre-Fortson.

 

[Wally]

They've gotta bring somebody in.

No team carries only 12 players.

It's hard to even practice with only 12 players.

I don't think any team ever PLAYS 12 players.

Maybe Mike can put on a pair of shorts like Skiles did for practice.

 

[devilalum]

I don't think any team ever PLAYS 12 players.

Maybe Mike can put on a pair of shorts like Skiles did for practice.

But most teams have 2 or 3 guys on injured reserve that help out in practice when 2 or 3 of the main 12 can't go because of nagging injuries etc...

I bet the Suns are the only team with just 12 guys on the roster.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

You are right Devil. The suns will definitely have to bring someone in, although it will be for a min deal instead of the 1.3 million Z was making.

 

[Wally]

But most teams have 2 or 3 guys on injured reserve that help out in practice when 2 or 3 of the main 12 can't go because of nagging injuries etc...

How are the guys on the IL going to help - is that not the INJURED list?

I bet the Suns are the only team with just 12 guys on the roster.

Perhaps the Suns will be trend setters or
Perhaps they will bring in another PG. Anyone know if Vujanic coul be a possibility?

 

[Buseinspectrum]

Ok I don't get it how can a team over the cap trade for a player with only draft picks?

Golden State acquires Cabarkapa from Suns
Jan. 3, 2005
SportsLine.com wire reports

OAKLAND, Calif. -- The Golden State Warriors acquired forward Zarko Cabarkapa from the Phoenix Suns on Monday for two future second-round draft picks.

Cabarkapa, the Suns' first-round pick in the 2003 draft, has averaged 4.1 points and 2.0 rebounds as a reserve with Phoenix. He missed the first 17 games of this season with tendinitis in his left knee.

The 6-foot-11 native of Serbia-Montenegro played five pro seasons in Europe before joining the NBA. He was a member of the gold medal-winning Yugoslav team at the 2002 World Championships.

The Warriors made room for Cabarkapa earlier in the day by placing forward Eduardo Najera on the injured list. Golden State is over the salary cap, but was able to make the deal by using its trade exception from last July's deal to send Nick Van Exel to Portland.

 

[George O'Brien]

I hate to lose the dream of having a talented 7'0" wing guy who could shoot, but I'm not shocked he's gone. The Suns were clearly upset when he chose to try for the Olympic team rather than work on his game. This team wants only players who work extremely hard.

BTW, I think the theory that the Suns wants to have the trade exemption available has some merit. The Suns were carrying too many project players in a season when they have a chance to make a real impact in the playoffs.

 

[goldseraph]

sad to see Zarko go, he was intriguing but seemed to disappear off the depth chart... well now we can bring back YUTA

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

How are the guys on the IL going to help - is that not the INJURED list?




Perhaps the Suns will be trend setters or
Perhaps they will bring in another PG. Anyone know if Vujanic coul be a possibility?

The injured list is simply a place to park players. You need to keep around a 14 person roster in case someone DOES get hurt. If you are forced to bring in someone right when that happens, they will not know the team or the plays. Think of it as an insurance policy, hopefully you don't need it but you don't want to be stuck without it in case something happens.

 

[BleedRed]

Calling Zarko a bust @ this point in his career is just stupid. The guy had a stretch of really nice games last year and suffered a serious injury. I was disapointed when I found out that we had traded him today. I became a fan of Zarko's and still feel like he has a big upside and can be a good player if he can recover from what Fortson did to him emotionally. If you remember prior to the injury Zarko was playing very aggresive and taking the ball to the hole with alot of authority. I think physically he's back to that point, but emotionally he's struggling. Anywayz I'll miss watching him and hope he has a great career. As for the second round picks.......woopie doo. Even if we use those picks I'll be willing to bet we won't get a player with half the promise a healthy Zarko has. But whatever peace.

 

[JCSunsfan]

The Suns were carrying too many project players in a season when they have a chance to make a real impact in the playoffs.

This might be it more than anything. It's quite clear that this (unexpectedly so) is a year to go for the hardware. If that's the case, a quality vet will be much more valuable on the bench than Zarko.

Karl Malone, Zo etc. might be good pickups to add depth for the playoffs.

 

[Gee!]

well now we can bring back YUTA

oh yaaaaaeeee..

I hope not.

Bring in Jason Gardner

 

[jbeecham]

There are a couple of people drafted later than Zarko that could've helped the Suns: Carlos Delfino, Brian Cook, Josh Howard and even Luke Walton.

 

[Errntknght]

thegrahamcrackr, "I was against Zarko from the first time I heard about him. I was pissed when they drafted him..."

Are you sure you aren't rewriting history here? I don't recall your position explicitly but back then whenever I complained about something the Suns did you always chimed in to say they knew more than I did - and I opposed drafting Z. Maybe this was your first defection from the ranks of the '100% loyalists'...

My problem with Z was defense... he was reputed to be a weak defender and his physique strongly suggested he'd have a hard time banging down low or staying with a quick SF on the perimeter so who would he guard? I did grow to like him for one thing - he had a good bball IQ. Against a zone he'd head right for the middle (lot of good it did since FJ never understood the point of doing it.) He also manuevered around on the baseline at times. He was even learning to play pretty good position on defense.

I wish him well with the Warriors... maybe a fresh start is all he needs.


I wanted the Suns to go big with that pick - Lampe, Cook or, cough cough, Shortsiantis. (I just couldn't resist a guy with a name like Sophocles, however misspelled it might be.) Josh Howard obviously would have been the right choice but I don't remember anyone hyping him at all - and Lampe may yet prove to be the better player and, in the end, we snagged him.

 

[Errntknght]

F-Dog, >>Answering my own question, using Hoopshype:

Steve Blake, Washington: 600K
Bostjan Nachbar, New Orleans: 1.5m (probably too much)
Kendall Gill, Milwaukee: 928K
Kareem Rush, Charlotte: 1.17m
Steve Smith, Charlotte: 1.1m

I don't see a lot of guys in that range who would help the Suns, even a little bit...<<

Kendall Gill might be of some help. Haven't seen him play in a good while but my recollection is that he's a pretty good defender and a savvy ballplayer.

I liked what I saw from Rush in one game against us... I remember thinking at the time that the stinking Lakers lucked out again with late 1st pick. Of course, he's young so if he's any good at all the Bobcats wouldn't let him go. He's a UFA, next summer, though - looking further ahead.

What about Stacy Augmon? He can still defend for short stints and he'll score on you if you slack off him. I think he's playing for New Orleans and you'd think they'd be happy to let him go for a decent 2nd round pick - like the one we got from GS.

I'd like to see us get a PG. One possibility that comes to mind is Milt Palacio (Toronto). He's playing fairly well but he's a UFA next summer so the Raps may think it's wise to get something for him now. I thought he was a good backup PG when he was here and with no handchecking he probably gets into the paint better now than then.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Are you sure you aren't rewriting history here?

I remember a couple weeks ago whgen I said we should trade down for 2 second rounders and everyone was calling for my body to be hung in town square

In response to:

Originally posted by Chris_Sanders
Slin,

The only person I have heard say anything negative about Zarko is you.

It will be funny when he is our pick.

I said:

I used to say I didn't like him either, but gave that up a while ago since the board seems to love him so much.

He cannot shoot the 3, he isnt very good from the line (70% for a "shooter" blows)

He also seems like a defensive liability.

i will say that while im not sold on zarko....i loved watching him almost pull the hoop down in that clip after he was picked

If you go to more recent posts, you will see that I slowly start to change my opinion during the season like I said. About disagreeing with you, it was only on blaming coaches for everything. Other than that, I can't remember any real disagreements although there could easily be some. You wound up being right about FJ as time went on, and I wound up joining in on the bashing about a month or two before he was fired.

I didn't want Zarko, but I will tend to stick with the Suns braintrust when it comes to drafts. They certainly have a knack for it.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

I liked what I saw from Rush in one game against us... I remember thinking at the time that the stinking Lakers lucked out again with late 1st pick. Of course, he's young so if he's any good at all the Bobcats wouldn't let him go. He's a UFA, next summer, though - looking further ahead.

I really wanted rush back in the draft, but he went 2 spots earlier. He had no chance to play in LA since he was stuck behind Bryant. Of course, he did have that great game in the playoffs against Minny.

I thought the Charlotte trade was going to be great for him, but who knows. Since going there he has had a few DNPs and a few 30+ minute games. When he gets minutes though, he will produce. Great shooting touch, but he takes a little bit to get warm which is why his percentage is down. He cannot come in and give a quick 3 like Casey has done. However, if he gets 3 or 4 shots to get going, he usually catches fire.

I have a good friend who is a huge mizzou fan, so I get to hear all about Rush. Supposedly his little brother is even better. A senior in HS right now I guess.


Sad thing is, if Rush had gotten the time to develop a little in his first few years, he could be a solid 2 guard right now. Possibly starter material on a mid tier team.

 

[Joe Mama]

thegrahamcrackr, "I was against Zarko from the first time I heard about him. I was pissed when they drafted him..."

Are you sure you aren't rewriting history here? I don't recall your position explicitly but back then whenever I complained about something the Suns did you always chimed in to say they knew more than I did - and I opposed drafting Z. Maybe this was your first defection from the ranks of the '100% loyalists'...

That may have been me, Erntknght. I've always held the position that the teams usually no better than we do about the players in the draft, especially when we are talking about a relatively up secure player from Europe. That said, most of you know that my draft choices change with the wind before the draft. However in that draft I really wanted David West or Brian Cook. I still think either one of them would have been a better choice than Zarko, but I'm not sure I believe that Zarko was a bad choice. That injury really killed his place on the Phoenix Suns.

IMO this trade was about dumping the salary and clearing the roster spot of a player who just wasn't going to get any time on this team. Now if the Phoenix Suns see someone available who can really help the team, or there is a trade opportunity they have some flexibility.

Joe Mama

 

[George O'Brien]

It is easy to second guess draft picks, but a lot of people were really excited about his potental following his summer league play a year ago. Then he was injured prior to training camp and that was followed by the Fortson mugging.

More than anything else, the Suns are no longer in a patient rebuilding mode. They have a chance to do big stuff and Zarko was just dead weight for this season.

 

[scotsman13]

personally i think this wasnt a salery move but a roster move. what i mean in that is that the suns had to bring jake off the ir. so they go to zarko and ask him if he would go back on the ir and he states "hey BC is there any chance you can trade me? i am just not getting any playing time and unless i do i am no value to you or the team."

i think that the suns are going to try to pick up a player or 2. the #1 person i think that they willl go after is zo. word is that the raptor are going to be buying out morning's contract.
forget malone he isnt the answer but bring in zo helps in a couple areas where we are weak. first of all defense will get much better with him on the floor. he is still rebounding well and blocking a lot of shots. plus he can help both amare and hunter understand the position better.

come this off season i really believe that the suns will sign Nikoloz Tskitishvili to replace zarko.