Zero Dark Thirty

[Gee!]

Movie about the hunt for bin Laden..

http://www.zerodarkthirty-movie.com/tablet/?videos

 

[BigRedRage]

there is another one too

are we just making up stories? seems to be.

 

[DemsMyBoys]

There was an article about this movie in the New York Times on Sunday. It's getting excellent reviews and the Oscar buzz has started. The writer said it's going to create a lot of dialog about two things:

1) The use of torture to gain information.

2) "Leftist" Hollywood making a movie that shows how this country benefited by using torture to help determine where bin Laden was.

This is the movie the White House cooperated on. According to the NYT Cheney (and the tactics of the Bush White House) is the "hero". Not Obama. The focus is a CIA agent who put all the pieces together.

As usual someone with awesome computer skills might be able to find the link and post it. Very interesting article.

(I probably won't see it until it's on DVD. The torture scenes are very graphic and that's not something I could sit through. I'd like to see it but will use the remote to edit it for myself. According to the article they intertwine the torture scenes with tapes from people in the upper floors of the WTC on 9/11. Brilliant, but I also can't take listening to the horrors those people went through.)

This is one I'm interested in everyone's opinions on, BTW.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

Bin Laden Film’s Focus Is Facts, Not Flash

Despite their attention to the facts, Ms. Bigelow and Mr. Boal both pointed out that “Zero Dark Thirty” remained a thriller and not a kind of documentary intended to stand up to nit-picking by historians. For instance, their film is rooted — more by cinematic choice than by historical necessity — in the experience of a young American intelligence operative, Maya, who is portrayed by Jessica Chastain.

It's nice to hear that kind of admission from the filmmakers. Like Mel Gibson said, when confronted about historical inaccuracies in Braveheart, never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

 

[AZZenny]

Trailer looked very, very good. I hope they do show graphic torture scenes. If Americans are going to endorse it, they damn well better know what they're supporting.

 

[BigRedRage]

Trailer looked very, very good. I hope they do show graphic torture scenes. If Americans are going to endorse it, they damn well better know what they're supporting.

if torture is called for, do what you have to do.

I am still on the fence of, how do we know its not all ********? We swept him to sea and threw him in the water? really? Proper afghan burial? why would we do a proper burial? Im no tin foil hat kinda guy but I cant get excited for the execution of bin laden based on hearsay.

Movie sounds interesting but I will be watching with the intention of seeing a fiction movie.

 

[PortlandCardFan]

if torture is called for, do what you have to do.

I am still on the fence of, how do we know its not all ********? We swept him to sea and threw him in the water? really? Proper afghan burial? why would we do a proper burial? Im no tin foil hat kinda guy but I cant get excited for the execution of bin laden based on hearsay.

Movie sounds interesting but I will be watching with the intention of seeing a fiction movie.

It wasn't a proper Afghan burial. It was a proper Navy burial... I found it odd as well but I think they want to release the news of his death and burial at the same time. No time for the wishy washy sentimental martyr syndrome...

 

[BigRedRage]

It wasn't a proper Afghan burial. It was a proper Navy burial... I found it odd as well but I think they want to release the news of his death and burial at the same time. No time for the wishy washy sentimental martyr syndrome...

Ah, I thought they said it was some sort of afghan burial.

I just have a hard time taking the govt word for it. We all know saddam was killed, bin laden we are just laying blind faith into the report.

Beyond that, I still find it all fascinating even though I am skeptical.

 

[Gee!]

Ah, I thought they said it was some sort of afghan burial.

I just have a hard time taking the govt word for it. We all know saddam was killed, bin laden we are just laying blind faith into the report.

Beyond that, I still find it all fascinating even though I am skeptical.

Well the Taliban said we killed Osama.. That's enough for me..


Im ready to see this movie though.. Commercial looked great..

 

[BigRedRage]

Well the Taliban said we killed Osama.. That's enough for me..


Im ready to see this movie though.. Commercial looked great..

Yeah, your right, The Taliban are a very credible and honest source.

 

[DemsMyBoys]

I just have a hard time taking the govt word for it.

One of the Seals wrote a book about it. Do you think he lied? If so, why?

 

[Stout]

Yeah, your right, The Taliban are a very credible and honest source.

Right, and if he were still alive, it would be in their best interest to say he's dead

The stated purpose was so that wherever he was buried did not turn into some twisted kind of terrorist shrine.

 

[UncleChris]

The movie strongly implies that torture was instrumental in getting the name of Bin Laden's courier. This is factually wrong and only serves to glorify and justify torture. The courier's name was actually obtained from a man who was not tortured.

I will not be seeing Dick Cheney's movie.....

 

[BigRedRage]

One of the Seals wrote a book about it. Do you think he lied? If so, why?

He could be, sure. Books make lots of money. wtf is he doing leaking such classified information? Seems out of sorts for a badass seal. Ive known seals throughout life and they were very tightlipped about certain things even around family.

Its probably true, there was just no evidence presented.

I dont believe the loose change documentaries but a lot of people do. I can buy the fake of this one and a lot of people wont.

I do want to see the movie and I do follow the stories told of how it went down, I just do it with a tin hat on just in case.

Right, and if he were still alive, it would be in their best interest to say he's dead

The stated purpose was so that wherever he was buried did not turn into some twisted kind of terrorist shrine.

Not saying I am steadfast with this, just skeptical. Sure, saying hes dead means he is off the minds of everyone and can keep in hiding. Why not? Hes probably dead, it was just very anti climactic.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

Zero Dark Thirty recently snagged four Golden Globe nominations, including the award for Best Picture. It's also considered a shoe-in for multiple Oscar nominations.

How? The movie hasn't even been released yet.

I don't think I'll ever truly understand Hollywood logic.

 

[PortlandCardFan]

It has a pre-release this Friday in LA and NY I think. L.O.O.P.H.O.L.E.

 

[UncleChris]

Congress doesn't think much of this stupid movie.....

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/20/1172267/-Congress-Condemns-Zero-Dark-Thirty-as-Misleading

 

[Chaplin]

Zero Dark Thirty recently snagged four Golden Globe nominations, including the award for Best Picture. It's also considered a shoe-in for multiple Oscar nominations.

How? The movie hasn't even been released yet.

I don't think I'll ever truly understand Hollywood logic.

There have been numerous screenings, including for the Hollywood Foreign Press Association, who nominates the films for the Globes.

They release it limited before the New Year to be in contention for Oscars and other awards, then go wide after the New Year in many instances. Just the way it's been for a long time.

 

[Stout]

Zero Dark Thirty recently snagged four Golden Globe nominations, including the award for Best Picture. It's also considered a shoe-in for multiple Oscar nominations.

How? The movie hasn't even been released yet.

I don't think I'll ever truly understand Hollywood logic.

Yeah, it's pretty much baloney.

There have been numerous screenings, including for the Hollywood Foreign Press Association, who nominates the films for the Globes.

They release it limited before the New Year to be in contention for Oscars and other awards, then go wide after the New Year in many instances. Just the way it's been for a long time.

I understand that's the way it's been, and it doesn't look like you're actively defending the process. It's utter crap. Studios that think they have a hit will try to time it so it's juuuuust in time for the end of the year, often in a limited release, so they have the best chance to win. Django Unchained being released on Christmas? Silliness. Think this movie, or others like it, would ever be released initially on Jan 4th? Not a chance.

 

[Chaplin]

Yeah, it's pretty much baloney.



I understand that's the way it's been, and it doesn't look like you're actively defending the process. It's utter crap. Studios that think they have a hit will try to time it so it's juuuuust in time for the end of the year, often in a limited release, so they have the best chance to win. Django Unchained being released on Christmas? Silliness. Think this movie, or others like it, would ever be released initially on Jan 4th? Not a chance.

So what? What does any of that have to do with you? I just don't get why you're so upset. Believe it or not, holidays (ANY holidays) are huge release dates for movies. On Christmas, what is there to do if you're alone for the holidays? Everything's closed, so everyone goes to the movies. I used to do it all the time on Thanksgiving.

I'm just confused why you are so angry about this--it's not like Django is playing ONLY on Christmas...

 

[Cheesebeef]

So what? What does any of that have to do with you? I just don't get why you're so upset. Believe it or not, holidays (ANY holidays) are huge release dates for movies. On Christmas, what is there to do if you're alone for the holidays? Everything's closed, so everyone goes to the movies. I used to do it all the time on Thanksgiving.

I'm just confused why you are so angry about this--it's not like Django is playing ONLY on Christmas...

gotta agree with Chap on this one.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

Yeah, it's pretty much baloney.



I understand that's the way it's been, and it doesn't look like you're actively defending the process. It's utter crap. Studios that think they have a hit will try to time it so it's juuuuust in time for the end of the year, often in a limited release, so they have the best chance to win. Django Unchained being released on Christmas? Silliness. Think this movie, or others like it, would ever be released initially on Jan 4th? Not a chance.

The only issue I have with the "sneak it in" practice studios seem to use is that it seems a bit contrived.

By that, I mean, how does a studio know it's offering is an Oscar shoe-in or not?

What would, just for the sake of argument, lead Columbia to believe that "Zero Dark Thirty" would be more Oscar-worthy than "Hope Springs" (which they released back in August) other than the fact that certain films are engineered to garner a bunch or awards.

ps: I realize that Zero Dark Thirty was originally slated for a much earlier release, I'm only using it as an example.

 

[BigRedRage]

Can't wait for django

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[Brian in Mesa]

Zero Dark Thirty

Release Date: December 19, 2012 (NY, LA; wide: Jan. 11)
Studio: Columbia Pictures (Sony)
Director: Kathryn Bigelow
Screenwriter: Mark Boal
Genre: Action, Drama, Thriller
MPAA Rating: R (for strong violence including brutal disturbing images, and for language)
Website: ZeroDarkThirty-movie.com

Starring: Jessica Chastain, Jason Clarke, Joel Edgerton, Jennifer Ehle, Mark Strong, Kyle Chandler, Edgar Ramirez

Plot Summary: For a decade, an elite team of intelligence and military operatives, working in secret across the globe, devoted themselves to a single goal: to find and eliminate Osama bin Laden. "Zero Dark Thirty" reunites the Oscar® winning team of director-producer Kathryn Bigelow and writer-producer Mark Boal ("The Hurt Locker") for the story of history's greatest manhunt for the world's most dangerous man.

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[UncleChris]

If I had anything to do with the making of this movie, I think I would consider running and hiding at this point.....

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2013/01/03/senate-to-probe-zero-dark-thirty.html