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Inside Today's Bulletin
Tuesday Morning Debate: What Is The Worst Division In The NFL?
By Brendan F. Quinn & Drew Silverman, The Bulletin
11/04/2008

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Brendan F. Quinn:
The NFC West, a calamity of epic proportions, is easily the worst division in football.

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Between Arizona (5-3), Seattle (2-6), San Francisco (2-6) and St. Louis (2-6), NFC West teams have notched six wins outside of the division. Eliminate the Cardinals, and the rest of the division is a combined 6-18 and has been outscored by 228 points. That is futility at a staggering level. Not surprisingly, two of the division's four head coaches have already been fired and Mike Holmgren is leaving at season's end.

Going team-by-team, it's painful to dissect the league's most woeful division.

The 49ers are on a five-game losing streak and interim coach Mike Singletary has behaved like a raving lunatic since replacing Mike Nolan on Oct. 20. During the current losing streak, San Francisco has lost by an average of 14 points and its early-season wins came over the Lions and Seahawks, who have a combined record of 2-14.

As Eagles fans saw on Sunday, the Seahawks are simply abysmal. The team's lone wins have come against fellow division cellar dwellers St. Louis and San Francisco.

Holmgren's team has been decimated by injuries and ranks 26th in the league in points scored, 31st in total yards and 32nd in passing yards. In short, Seattle's offense is as flawed as our economy.

Then there are those mighty St. Louis Rams. Arguably the worst team in football, the Rams rank 31st in points allowed per game, 30th in points scored, 30th in yards allowed and 30th in yards gained. That's not a winning recipe. Jim Haslett was elevated to interim head coach after the Rams fired Scott Linehan in late September.

As for the first-place Cardinals - sounds odd, doesn't it? - the record is slightly deceiving. Their five wins have come against Dallas, Buffalo, Miami, San Francisco and St. Louis. Not exactly Murderers' Row. Those five teams hold a combined record of 18-23 and the win over the spiraling Cowboys is no longer seen as a feather in the team's cap.

At the same time, though, none of Arizona's losses can be called a bad loss. The only teams to knock off the Cardinals are the Redskins (6-2), Jets (5-3) and Panthers (6-2).

Despite Arizona's success, the NFC West's torchbearer is miles away from being a legit contender. Kurt Warner, 37, has performed admirably, but we're talking about the Cardinals here, folks. The team hasn't made the playoffs since 1998.

At this point, let's just start over. The NFC West should poach Alabama from the SEC, Texas Tech from the Big 12 and Penn State from the Big Ten. The Cards can stay. After all, everyone likes a feel-good story.

 

[justAndy]

Hopefully the Eagles' players read that article.

 

[jaguarpaw81]

Last I checked, the Eagles have as many SB rings as we do.

 

[ANDY440]

Being that I left NJ a long time ago I need reminders like this of what arrogant bassturds we are back there.

 

[jaguarpaw81]

Sadly, I think we will lose to them on Thanksgiving. I cant remember he last time Warner had a good game in crappy conditions. If we win that game i will go ahead and say right now that we will atleast be in the NFC Championship.

 

[football karma]

lost in the analysis is the fact that Philly has played a weaker schedule than the Cards-

in fact, Philly has played more games against the NFC West thus far than the Cardinals have. Both are 1-1 in the NFC East.

Also -- the Cowboys spiral I think has something to do with Romo being out -- who the Cardinals faced their entire game

 

[Pariah]

So. What.

 

[football karma]

btw--

what the heck is the Philly Bulletin?

 

[Russ Smith]

We all know until we actually win something nobody but us is going to believe we can.

Yesterday on ESPN they interviewed Michael Irvin, when asked if we were a legit contender in the NFC he said "nah. It's Arizona you know, I have a hard time believing in them because they're Arizona, they just haven't proven it you know."

Of course right after that he compared Obama getting elected to African American jury members finding OJ Simpson not guilty of murder, saying he hadn't seen so many black people this happy, since the outcome of the OJ trial. so consider the source.

 

[seesred]

I will add my so what! W e can beat them and I look foward to that game.

GBR
40

 

[D-Dogg]

Awesome!!

Keep on underestimating us!

 

[bg7brd]

That's not what he said. You took this out of context.

 

[blindseyed]

The Cowboy win is absolutely a feather in our cap since we are soley responsible for physically beating up thier starters and making them the team they are right now.

 

[Totally_Red]

An argument could be made that the AFC West is every bit as bad or worse than the NFC West IMO. Anyway, thanks for the nice bulletin board material. Maybe he's trying to fire up the Cardinals for the Midgets game.

 

[WildBB]

[BDespite Arizona's success, the NFC West's torchbearer is miles away from being a legit contender. Kurt Warner, 37, has performed admirably, but we're talking about the Cardinals here, folks. The team hasn't made the playoffs since 1998.

What does that have to do with this year. What have the Eagles done lately?!

Thery're talking smack because west has not faired well going east for awhile. That could change now!

 

[Jersey Girl]

btw--

what the heck is the Philly Bulletin?

No idea. Regardless of course they are gonna talk trash. It's what the Philly media do.

Personally, I think the Cards can take the Eagles on any given Sunday; however, Thanksgiving will be tough on the road and with the weather.

 

[TJ]

Ok....we beat Dallas when they were 4-1 and were healthy, we blew out previously unbeaten Buffalo, beat SF on the road and slaughtered the Rams on the road.

Some reporters are idiots. You play the schedule that is handed to you. We have been competitive in every game, with the exception of the Jets game. If you want Phily to take us lightly, be my guest. But you will be surprised how evenly matched up these two teams are.

 

[Russ Smith]

That's not what he said. You took this out of context.

I didn't directly quote it but what I heard was that he said black people were so desperate for signs of victory of some kind that the last time he'd seen people that happy was after OJ was acquitted of murder. He did say that he personally thought "2 people are dead."

He was clearly saying that this time it was for good reasons, then it wasn't but he was comparing the 2.

Both Greenie and Golic said that it was an unusual take and one they couldn't personally relate to but they respected his opinion or something like that.

http://espnradio.espn.go.com/espnradio/index click on Irvin reacts to the election has his comments but doesn't have Mike and Mike's comments after when they both clearly thought his response was a bit bizarre.

 

[portland_CARD]

As for the first-place Cardinals - sounds odd, doesn't it? - the record is slightly deceiving. Their five wins have come against Dallas, Buffalo, Miami, San Francisco and St. Louis. Not exactly Murderers' Row. Those five teams hold a combined record of 18-23 and the win over the spiraling Cowboys is no longer seen as a feather in the team's cap.

At the same time, though, none of Arizona's losses can be called a bad loss. The only teams to knock off the Cardinals are the Redskins (6-2), Jets (5-3) and Panthers (6-2).

After all, everyone likes a feel-good story.

Funny Stuff . . . let's look at their "Murderers' Row" wins . . .

They beat St Louis , Pittsburgh, San Fransisco, Atlanta and Seattle. Those teams hold
a combined record is 17-23. And our Dallas win might not be a "feather in the teams cap"
but at least we beat Dallas whom they lost to.

IDIOTS . . .

 

[mrbyte]

Respect not earned is worthless. So lets beat the Eagles then shove this article right up his a$$ having earned their repsect.

 

[Russ Smith]

Ok....we beat Dallas when they were 4-1 and were healthy, we blew out previously unbeaten Buffalo, beat SF on the road and slaughtered the Rams on the road.

Some reporters are idiots. You play the schedule that is handed to you. We have been competitive in every game, with the exception of the Jets game. If you want Phily to take us lightly, be my guest. But you will be surprised how evenly matched up these two teams are.

To be fair both Roy (safety) Williams and Newman were out when we played Dallas, and Felix Jones got hurt early in the first half. So they weren't totally healthy but they obviously had Romo when they played us.

We can't control what happens to other teams, the same experts who see to think we're overrated now, thought Dallas was the best team in the NFC when the season started.

all we can do is beat who we play. We're 5-3. We have been in every game, even the debacle against the Jets we got back into that game briefly.

 

[RedViper]

Do they get that by talking down the NFC west so far, they are also arguing they are a soft team that's benefited from a weak schedule. By their own logic they should expect to get absolutely shredded by Carolina in the playoffs.

 

[fball13]

PHI 37 - DAL 41
ARZ 30 - DAL 24

Nuff said......................

 

[Arizona's Finest]

To be fair both Roy (safety) Williams and Newman were out when we played Dallas, and Felix Jones got hurt early in the first half. So they weren't totally healthy but they obviously had Romo when they played us.

We can't control what happens to other teams, the same experts who see to think we're overrated now, thought Dallas was the best team in the NFC when the season started.

all we can do is beat who we play. We're 5-3. We have been in every game, even the debacle against the Jets we got back into that game briefly.

The way I look at is the beat down we have been putting on teams is season killers. For as unhealthy as the Cowboys were they were still leading the Power rankings and Romo was playing well. We beat them up and they haven't been the same since.

Same with Buffalo. Miami fans and players said we are the best team they have seen all year. St Louis had 3 good games in a row against winning teams and we took them to the woodshed like it was out of style.

Philadelphians are bitter. Even with the Phillies they can't get over the sour grapes mentality. And I actually like the city. (what with cheesesteaks,my girlfriend being from there, and loving "Its always Sunny...".

Im thinking we get our butt kicked (I still like the Eagles for the Super Bowl and see Westbrook having 200 yards reciveing on us) but Im hoping we go in there and beat on them a little bit after reading this.

 

[BradMannTX]

Really, we're not going to get respect until we beat NY and Philly. After we win those games, people will be talking.