Zaven Collins re-signs for two more years

[Chopper0080]

Yeah, I don't blame either side for their thought process here...if he has a bad year, maybe he doesn't get the same kind of offer in the offseason.

To K9s point, this is a "I might be out of the league so I need to get what I can" mindset move.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I think people forget that while he was moved to ILB, his rookie year they moved him back to edge and he was awful.

But that wasn’t where they trained him through camp. It was a bandaid. As soon as he was fully deployed in his natural position he exploded.

 

[Shane]

My guy did not exactly bet on himself here.

Is he really “your guy” lol

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Yes this is the thought process of losers. There's zero chance this contract isn't available in December or January if he does the exact stuff he did last year.

Lol. Tell us how you really feel.

It’s also the thought process of happy, content risk averse people. A lot of successful people like certainty over upside. Just different mindsets.

 

[Stout]

2024 - 6.8
2025 - 5.75
2026 - 6 (this is the get out year for AZ if they feel they need to. Can save 4.35 if they cut him)

Age 25-27 seasons.

Per OTC

@Stout I think you will find this more agreeable. Puts him in the DJ Wonnum / AJ Epenesa / Deatrich Wise range.

Yes, it does make it better. Now I'll still gripe, but that's because he was an awful Keim first rounder and I bear grudges

 

[Stout]

Yeah I don’t think I’ve seen those words either. He’s been critical of some of monti’s moves but I don’t think we’ve seen an iteration of “fire monti” from him. I could be wrong, but I’m not the one making the allegation.

Oh my, the ignored one up to his usual tricks?

 

[ajcardfan]

He did receive a 5.1 mil signing bonus and he is financially protected for injuries. Definitely a risk-averse move.

Like I said day of signing, I do not think it was a coincidence that he did this right after Ojulari blew his knee out. The natural thought is "That could be me, and what would happen to my next contract? Would I even get one?" Easy decision. Sign and bank millions of dollars. He's got a family to think about. I don't think he is married or has kids yet, but you still want to lock down some security.

 

[oaken1]

That makes it a little better, at least.

Breathe brother, come on...4 seconds in.....4 seconds out....

 

[Stout]

Breathe brother, come on...4 seconds in.....4 seconds out....

It was the "Oh, we lost our only hope at edge and, oh, btw Stout, the same day we also extended that stupid Keim pick just to rub your face in it" reaction that got me Indeed, if he were a fifth-round pick, I'm sure I wouldn't have given as much of a toss.





And, by my language, you can tell I've been watching loads of British TV

 

[Shane]

Yes this is the thought process of losers. There's zero chance this contract isn't available in December or January if he does the exact stuff he did last year.

Yes the guy that’s under 25 YO and got himself an average of almost 6.5 mill per year after just average play is a real loser… screw that guy.

 

[kerouac9]

Lol. Tell us how you really feel.

It’s also the thought process of happy, content risk averse people. A lot of successful people like certainty over upside. Just different mindsets.

Yup. One mindset is shared by the best professional athletes and top competitors. The other is shared by the Roy Lopez's of the NFL.

We have plenty of Roy Lopez's on this roster, they're thick on the ground in the NFL. We just rewarded one for reasons unknown.

Now I understand why JJ Watt decided to bully Collins.

Yes the guy that’s under 25 YO and got himself an average of almost 6.5 mill per year after just average play is a real loser… screw that guy.

I mean... yeah? He's 25. He's definitely not the alpha we were promised.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Eh that's some hyperbole.

The early 2000s teams had sack leaders like Dennis Johnson with THREE SACKS on the season.

https://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/arizona-cardinals/leaders/yearly-defense-sacks

But I bet he had alot of pressures though.

 

[QuebecCard]

Oh my, the ignored one up to his usual tricks?

 

[DVontel]

I feel like Zaven has been pretty damn solid this year. Is it just me? I know it’s early, but yea.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I feel like Zaven has been pretty damn solid this year. Is it just me? I know it’s early, but yea.

Seems like a decent strong side starter at OLB...you'll want more pressure from the other OLB, but Zaven is fine as a steady run stopping option at the position.

 

[Chopper0080]

Seems like a decent strong side starter at OLB...you'll want more pressure from the other OLB, but Zaven is fine as a steady run stopping option at the position.

I think a Collins/Gardeck rotation at one EDGE spot could result in decent production.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I think a Collins/Gardeck rotation at one EDGE spot could result in decent production.

Agreed.

 

[HairZach]

I feel like Zaven has been pretty damn solid this year. Is it just me? I know it’s early, but yea.

PFF has him as the #1 Edge defender against the run.

 

[Redsz]

He's also pretty good in coverage. But he's a complimentary player. We still need that dynamic edge rusher.

 

[Shane]

I like Zaven and I'm glad he's on the team and extended.

 

[Cheesebeef]

He’s been solid this year, but correctly me if I’m wrong, didn’t he start last year playing well and then faded as the season went on?

 

[Crimson Warrior]

At the moment my homeboy's contract looking like a pretty good deal for the Cardinals!

Take a victory lap MO! You deserve it!

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[82CardsGrad]

He’s been solid this year, but correctly me if I’m wrong, didn’t he start last year playing well and then faded as the season went on?

Didn’t go back and look at the previous game or two, however, I find Collins to be massively underwhelming - especially so today. 2 tackles. No QB hits. Essentially a zero today.
On the Vikes game-winning TD, he had a shot at Darnold but wasn’t able to get a hand on Sam, as the tackle was able to guide Collins past Darnold.
The same scenario unfolded on our last drive when the ball was tipped out of Kyler’s hand. Unlike Collins, Greenard was able to take the appropriate angle and fight thru Johnson enough to get a finger on the ball.

I’m just so not onboard with Collins…

 

[BACH]

Didn’t go back and look at the previous game or two, however, I find Collins to be massively underwhelming - especially so today. 2 tackles. No QB hits. Essentially a zero today.
On the Vikes game-winning TD, he had a shot at Darnold but wasn’t able to get a hand on Sam, as the tackle was able to guide Collins past Darnold.
The same scenario unfolded on our last drive when the ball was tipped out of Kyler’s hand. Unlike Collins, Greenard was able to take the appropriate angle and fight thru Johnson enough to get a finger on the ball.

I’m just so not onboard with Collins…

Collins grades as one of the better OLBs in the league per PFF. His weak point (pass-rush) just happens to the most hyped and the one getting all the attention of the 4 different categories of rating - Run Defense, tackling, pass-rush and coverage. He rates as #26 Edge defender overall in the NFL, but only #67 as a pass rusher. He ranks #3 in run defense, #15 in tackling and #25 in coverage.

Collins is a good player. Collins is not a good pass-rusher. With more pieces, Collins' role in pass rush can decease and he only has to play on the downs suited for him.

 

[HairZach]

It seems like Collins is always blowing up run plays in the backfield, I remember he was a big reason our game against the Lions was so close.