2024-2025 Around the NBA Thread

[Ronin]

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[GatorAZ]

WTF is ESPN doing? They lost Woj and now decided to fire Lowe? Their basketball coverage was finally improving and moving in a good direction for the first time in a decade or so, since Chad Ford and Hollinger left around when Bill Simmons started getting high on his own farts before leaving also.

Simmons got out right before ESPN went to crap. It’s not even good as background noise anymore and the clowns they surrounded Lowe with was insulting. I’m sure they’ll replace Woj with Shams who is equally non-compelling when he’s not tweeting out breaking news.

 

[Mainstreet]

Isn’t that true of any move though that doesn’t turn out to be successful?!?

Also, Bridges was going to be included in any trade for a star.

I disagree with the premise Mikal Bridges had to be traded, but I prefer we move on to other topics.

The Suns didn't trade as much value for 3× NBA All-Star Bradley Beal. Yes, I no Beal has a no trade clause, but there will always be something.

 

[Covert Rain]

I disagree with the premise Mikal Bridges had to be traded, but I prefer we move on to other topics.

The Suns didn't trade as much value for 3× NBA All-Star Bradley Beal. Yes, I no Beal has a no trade clause, but there will always be something.

We will have to disagree because there is practically zero shot of getting the player you need without including Bridges.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I disagree with the premise Mikal Bridges had to be traded, but I prefer we move on to other topics.

The Suns didn't trade as much value for 3× NBA All-Star Bradley Beal. Yes, I no Beal has a no trade clause, but there will always be something.

man... you're making a lot of specious arguments that continually leaves a ton of context out. We didn't have to give up much for Beal because of his no-trade clause. The Wiz were DYING to get rid of him because he hasn't shown the 3X All-Star form in years, is chronically injured and has one of the worst contracts in the NBA.

But again... you know all of those things so why make such a specious argument in the first place?

 

[Hoop Head]

man... you're making a lot of specious arguments that continually leaves a ton of context out. We didn't have to give up much for Beal because of his no-trade clause. The Wiz were DYING to get rid of him because he hasn't shown the 3X All-Star form in years, is chronically injured and has one of the worst contracts in the NBA.

But again... you know all of those things so why make such a specious argument in the first place?

He mentioned the NTC. Why are you attacking him for not spelling everything about the NTC out?

 

[Yuma]

I disagree with the premise Mikal Bridges had to be traded, but I prefer we move on to other topics.

The Suns didn't trade as much value for 3× NBA All-Star Bradley Beal. Yes, I no Beal has a no trade clause, but there will always be something.

If it is what happened at the end of the day, then evidently that was a component to getting the deal done. I know you like Bridges, but NJ said this is what we want, Ishbia said yes, and the deal was done. At the end of the day Ishbia had to decide if keeping Bridges was greater than getting KD. He felt it was better to get KD. We all can argue what would have been better, what we should have done, etc., it's not what happened. Bottom line is we have a Suns team that is frustrating in that we haven't won a title. It is still one of the better teams in the NBA. It's WAY better than what we had for Booker's formative years. According to Ishbia, and to paraphrase someone famous, "We aren't going back."

 

[Mainstreet]

He mentioned the NTC. Why are you attacking him for not spelling everything about the NTC out?

1000%.

I've come to expect it from certain posters.

 

[Hoop Head]

1000%.

I've come to expect it from certain posters.

It's funny too since Beal is now talked about almost the exact opposite way KD is. Both have underachieved here and weren't good trades, overall, but we didn't pay close to what KD cost for Beal. A handful of 2nd round picks and an expiring CaarP3 wasn't bad, especially since we were able to unload Shamet as well. I'd still do the Beal trade now. We managed to acquire 5 2nd picks last off season with scraps, replacing those that we gave up.

 

[Mainstreet]

It's funny too since Beal is now talked about almost the exact opposite way KD is. Both have underachieved here and weren't good trades, overall, but we didn't pay close to what KD cost for Beal. A handful of 2nd round picks and an expiring CaarP3 wasn't bad, especially since we were able to unload Shamet as well. I'd still do the Beal trade now. We managed to acquire 5 2nd picks last off season with scraps, replacing those that we gave up.

The Suns were trying to find star level talent when they made the trade for Beal. I don't blame them for making this trade. They certainly didn't overpay.

 

[Mainstreet]

The Hawks agree to a deal with Daeqwon Plowden.

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[Covert Rain]

The Suns were trying to find star level talent when they made the trade for Beal. I don't blame them for making this trade. They certainly didn't overpay.

They certainly did if what we have seen out of him is all we get with that contract and the no trade clause.

 

[Mainstreet]

They certainly did if what we have seen out of him is all we get with that contract and the no trade clause.

The same owner and GM made both trades. So you like one trade and not the other?

Where were the Suns going to get another star with minimal assets?

The Suns proved it could be done even without Bridges.

 

[Chaplin]

The same owner and GM made both trades. So you like one trade and not the other?

Where were the Suns going to get another star with minimal assets?

The Suns proved it could be done even without Bridges.

Please tell me you don't think Bradley Beal and Kevin Durant are at the same level.

 

[SirStefan32]

The same owner and GM made both trades. So you like one trade and not the other?

Where were the Suns going to get another star with minimal assets?

The Suns proved it could be done even without Bridges.

Beal was a negative asset for Washington. He is getting paid $50-ish M per year, and has a no trade clause. The two situations are not even remotely similar.

 

[Mainstreet]

Beal was a negative asset for Washington. He is getting paid $50-ish M per year, and has a no trade clause. The two situations are not even remotely similar.

I didn't make that argument., that the players were similar.

However, the Suns were able acquire another "star" without including Bridges which proved it can be done.

 

[Covert Rain]

The same owner and GM made both trades. So you like one trade and not the other?

Where were the Suns going to get another star with minimal assets?

The Suns proved it could be done even without Bridges.

Huh? How could you possibly think with the size of Beal’s contract, being saddled with a no trade clause considering how he has played is a great deal so far?

Suns were not going to get another star without Bridges. What star could be traded without sending Bridges?

 

[Mainstreet]

Huh? How could you possibly think with the size of Beal’s contract, being saddled with a no trade clause considering how he has played is a great deal?

Suns were not going to get another star without Bridges. What star could be traded without sending Bridges?

I guess you need to take that up with Mat Ishbia and James Jones. What other star did you have in mind?

 

[Covert Rain]

I guess you need to take that up with Mat Ishbia and James Jones. What other star did you have in mind?

You tell me. What team is going to give up a top tier guy without including Bridges?

 

[Mainstreet]

You tell me. What team is going to give up a top tier guy without including Bridges?

You tell me.

I wouldn't have included Bridges in the trade for Durant . I can't make it any clearer.

 

[Covert Rain]

You tell me.

I wouldn't have included Bridges in the trade for Durant . I can't make it any clearer.

There isn’t one. It’s that simple. The Suns were going nowhere without getting another star. That couldn’t be clearer.

 

[Mainstreet]

There isn’t one. It’s that simple. The Suns were going nowhere without getting another star. That couldn’t be clearer.

I don't know. Bradley Beal was apparently available.

Devin Booker, Mikal Bridges and Cam Johnson were a nice core.

 

[Covert Rain]

I don't know. Bradley Beal was apparently available.

There you go suggesting Beal and Durant are on the same level again.

 

[Phrazbit]

There isn’t one. It’s that simple. The Suns were going nowhere without getting another star. That couldn’t be clearer.

The Durant trade was a ticket to no where.

 

[Mainstreet]

@Covert Rain

You are better than that. I pointed out Bradley Beal was an NBA All- Star three times.