Kyler- Harrison

[The6]

Yeah, we got to get better," Murray said when asked about the production between himself and the first-year wideout, per PHNX Sports' Bo Brack. "It's not where he wants it to be, where I want it to be, where the team needs it to be."

Murray added: "I haven't lost any confidence, (I'm) excited for these next two weeks.

 

[QuebecCard]

A new thread for this...

 

[D-Dogg]

This was my biggest WTF of the season. This was supposed to be his DHop. But they NEVER got on the same page, both because of K1 throwing him high balls and bad balls, to MHJ dropping almost everything (and don't come at me with PFF stats, we have eyes).

This was supposed to be the lightning combination, and it's a spark at best. A lot of that is on Uncle Fester, unquestionably, but the chemistry never developed and MHJ really is lacking in the skills needed for a #1 WR at the moment, mostly from neck up.

WR usually takes a big leap in between year one and two, which I remain hopeful for, but MHJ was supposed to be the most NFL ready dude in a generation. Forcing balls to him and watching him fail to bring in contested catches has been really frustrating. And Kyler flat out ignores him for stretches.

It's a failure at every level, Uncle Fester, MHJ, and K1. The most solvable problem this off-season IMO, but we need a QB and WR whispererer. If MHJ is not living at Kylers house all summer, things are wrong.

 

[D-Dogg]

A new thread for this...

Yeah, it's a big damn problem, buddy.

 

[az jam]

Its a current quote from Kyler so I have no problem with it being on a new thread as sometimes current information is buried in old threads. Additionally, there will always be and are countless threads on Kyler. I also agree with D-Dogg on the critical nature of these two players developing an outstanding chemistry in games. It is critical going forward for the Cards to be successful.

 

[imaCafan]

I remember a time McBride was being called a bust, bum, wasted pick, etc. Hoping our round 1 "bust" MHJ takes a similar path next year...

 

[Goodyear Card]

Before the bye it looked like Kyler and MHJ were starting to get there timing together. They started to complete some back shoulder fades that would be unstoppable. However, after the bye it completely disappeared. I do not know why all of our WR have disappeared. It is particular concerning about MHJ. Even if the coaching sucks his dad should be able to give some pointers.

 

[D-Dogg]

I remember a time McBride was being called a bust, bum, wasted pick, etc. Hoping our round 1 "bust" MHJ takes a similar path next year...

That was a dumb take then. MHJ came in with a lot more expectation and while he's been a good rookie, he was supposed to be transcendent.

 

[Russ Smith]

I remember a time McBride was being called a bust, bum, wasted pick, etc. Hoping our round 1 "bust" MHJ takes a similar path next year...

I think we all do but again Trey had a back injury that derailed his rookie year. as far as we know Marv doesn't have an injury

 

[QuebecCard]

That was a dumb take then. MHJ came in with a lot more expectation and while he's been a good rookie, he was supposed to be transcendent.

Transcendent in year one? Right.

 

[D-Dogg]

Transcendent in year one? Right.

Yes. That was the gas on him. Are you new? I know news travels slow up north.

 

[Shane]

I think we all do but again Trey had a back injury that derailed his rookie year. as far as we know Marv doesn't have an injury

No, that’s Kyler. Remember

 

[Russ Smith]

No, that’s Kyler. Remember

Other than the concussion there's no reason to think Marv has any injury, and that was ages ago.

Trey came off a back injury and you could literally see he wasn't healthy.

When people compare the rookies years of the 2 they completely forget that. We know why Trey wasn't better, he was hurt, and we had a very good veteran TE ahead of trey.

We know why Trey struggled as a rookie

 

[QuebecCard]

Yes. That was the gas on him. Are you new? I know news travels slow up north.*

So chattering by the chattering class (fans) said he would be transcendent in year one; OK, fine.

Going into the season, I expected a first season similar to Fitz in 2004: 58/780-8TDs.

In 2005, Fitz jumped to 103/1409-10TDs

*Add that to the encyclopaedia of things you don't know.

 

[cardsfanmd]

This was my biggest WTF of the season. This was supposed to be his DHop. But they NEVER got on the same page, both because of K1 throwing him high balls and bad balls, to MHJ dropping almost everything (and don't come at me with PFF stats, we have eyes).

This was supposed to be the lightning combination, and it's a spark at best. A lot of that is on Uncle Fester, unquestionably, but the chemistry never developed and MHJ really is lacking in the skills needed for a #1 WR at the moment, mostly from neck up.

WR usually takes a big leap in between year one and two, which I remain hopeful for, but MHJ was supposed to be the most NFL ready dude in a generation. Forcing balls to him and watching him fail to bring in contested catches has been really frustrating. And Kyler flat out ignores him for stretches.

It's a failure at every level, Uncle Fester, MHJ, and K1. The most solvable problem this off-season IMO, but we need a QB and WR whispererer. If MHJ is not living at Kylers house all summer, things are wrong.

I get that he hasn’t been the goat but MHJ was on par with, if not better, than Fitz and DHop were in their rookie years. Obviously, we want to see improvement in multiple areas but acting like he’s been trash is just not accurate.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Other than the concussion there's no reason to think Marv has any injury, and that was ages ago.

Trey came off a back injury and you could literally see he wasn't healthy.

When people compare the rookies years of the 2 they completely forget that. We know why Trey wasn't better, he was hurt, and we had a very good veteran TE ahead of trey.

We know why Trey struggled as a rookie

And the board consensus, even though a few of us disagreed, was that he was a wasted pick and trash. The board was wrong then. They’re wrong again.

 

[D-Dogg]

So chattering by the chattering class (fans) said he would be transcendent in year one; OK, fine.

Going into the season, I expected a first season similar to Fitz in 2004: 58/780-8TDs.

In 2005, Fitz jumped to 103/1409-10TDs

*Add that to the encyclopaedia of things you don't know.

Au contraire, very highly aware of Fitz' rookie stats. That is the baseline, and the numbers are close rn.

But apparently you don't have eyes if you think that Marv is playing anywhere near his potential with the drops, the weak effort on 50/50 balls, not understanding how to come back to the ball, etc. That's not the transcendent player fans and analysts were expecting to see. You're fooling yourself if you think otherwise.

Add that to your encyclopedia of things you are naive about.

 

[D-Dogg]

I get that he hasn’t been the goat but MHJ was on par with, if not better, than Fitz and DHop were in their rookie years. Obviously, we want to see improvement in multiple areas but acting like he’s been trash is just not accurate.

Show me where I said he is trash.

 

[QuebecCard]

Au contraire, very highly aware of Fitz' rookie stats. That is the baseline, and the numbers are close rn.

But apparently you don't have eyes if you think that Marv is playing anywhere near his potential with the drops, the weak effort on 50/50 balls, not understanding how to come back to the ball, etc. That's not the transcendent player fans and analysts were expecting to see. You're fooling yourself if you think otherwise.

Add that to your encyclopedia of things you are naive about.

You think you know what I think.

I noted the apparent, who couldn't.

However, I didn't accept the premise that he'd be a transcendent in year one.

 

[GatorAZ]

Age 22 season:

Larry - 103/1409/10 (16 games)

Marv - 51/726/7 (15 games)

 

[D-Dogg]

You think you know what I think.

I noted the apparent, who couldn't.

However, I didn't accept the premise that he'd be a transcendent in year one.

You do realize that if he could simply win contested catches, that would be transcendent, right? Tons more TDs and yards.

 

[QuebecCard]

You do realize that if he could simply win contested catches, that would be transcendent, right? Tons more TDs and yards.

You should realize that I know the definition of the term transcendent. And I didn't expect it in year one—end of story.

 

[QuebecCard]

Age 22 season:

Larry - 103/1409/10 (16 games)

Marv - 51/726/7 (15 games)

Larry's SECOND season in the league... Duh!

Fitz - season one: 58/780-8TDs

 

[GatorAZ]

Larry's SECOND season in the league... Duh!

Fitz - season one: 58/780-8TDs

That’s why I specified age. Year two for Fitz is the biologically appropriate comp to Harrison’s rookie year.

 

[602 Native]

Transcendent in year one? Right.

Chase was
Jefferson was
Puka was

Why can’t Marv?