New Owner - Mat Ishbia

[Covert Rain]

This is arguable. With KD as their 1, the Nets had reeled off like 21 of 24 wins and was either the 1 or 2 seed in the East before he got hurt.

What’s not arguable is he’s not a 1 anymore. And even sadder, Book is DEFINITELY not a 1 and to be honest, isn’t even really a championship level 2 because he’s pretty one dimensional and doesn’t play both sides of the court. And he’s absolute trash as a number 1.

You don't think Book could be a #2 on a title team? In terms of a #1 there is no question he is not that player. I don't know how anybody could argue otherwise. Although my brother doesn't think so either. He said Book is a #3 that the Suns elevated to a #2 and this why the Suns won't win a title with him no matter who you put next to him.

 

[Cheesebeef]

You don't think Book could be a #2 on a title team? In terms of a #1 there is no question he is not that player. I don't know how anybody could argue otherwise. Although my brother doesn't think so either. He said Book is a #3 that the Suns elevated to a #2 and this why the Suns won't win a title with him no matter who you put next to him.

To be honest… no. A number 2 needs to be able to control a game, be some kind of matchup nightmare or be a SUPER clutch playoff performer. Book is none of those things. He’s a very scorer… and that’s it.

 

[Covert Rain]

To be honest… no. A number 2 needs to be able to control a game, be some kind of matchup nightmare or be a SUPER clutch playoff performer. Book is none of those things. He’s a very scorer… and that’s it.

You and my brother are of like mind on this.

 

[gimpy]

Oh, Stephen A ripping the Suns at half time.

 

[gimpy]

They all are ripping the Suns. SMH

 

[Covert Rain]

They all are ripping the Suns. SMH

They should be. The team is a complete embarrassment.

 

[gimpy]

Ishbia, are you watching this half time report show?
Suns suck. Not the word they used, but that is what they said.

 

[gimpy]

Some one needs to send a recording of this to Suns ownership.

 

[Mainstreet]

Oh, Stephen A ripping the Suns at half time.

They all are ripping the Suns. SMH

And rightfully so. I hope the whole Suns organization is ashamed to put such a product on the court.

 

[BirdGangThing]

Oh, Stephen A ripping the Suns at half time.

sounded like one of my morning rants lol and i don't like stephen a

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

To be honest… no. A number 2 needs to be able to control a game, be some kind of matchup nightmare or be a SUPER clutch playoff performer. Book is none of those things. He’s a very scorer… and that’s it.

I don’t agree. I think he could be a championship #2. You can’t convince me that he couldn’t be a Middleton to a Giannis.

 

[Phrazbit]

I don’t agree. I think he could be a championship #2. You can’t convince me that he couldn’t be a Middleton to a Giannis.

I know, we saw him come within a few plays of a title a few years ago on a team where he was unquestionably a top 2 guy.

He hasn't gotten worse, statistically he's had monster seasons, we are asking him to run the offense and he isn't getting to do hardly any off ball stuff, which he is elite at, we're also asking him to handle the toughest defensive assignment the majority of the time he is on the court because Beal, Jones and Allen can't defend anyone.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I don’t agree. I think he could be a championship #2. You can’t convince me that he couldn’t be a Middleton to a Giannis.

Yeah… bad #2 was too much. He’s more of a mid #2 for a title contender.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I know, we saw him come within a few plays of a title a few years ago on a team where he was unquestionably a top 2 guy.

A few plays? They lost in 6 games, Booker was bad in the deciding game, and had a run to the Finals littered with opponents best players or second best players being injured. Now I know you’ll come back with your usual retort that lots of title teams won their titles with injury marred playoff runs. Here’s the big difference… BOOKER’S TEAM DIDN’T. So all that run showed me was that even with all kinds of favorable luck headed our way for once, even with HCA AND a 2-0 lead in the Finals, Book STILL couldn’t win a title as a 2. When you throw in that he’s been completely and utterly humiliated out of the playoffs ever since and it speaks even less for him. That Finals run was sadly the glaring exception to the rule of Booker’s entire career where we’ve either missed the playoffs entirely (the majority of his tenure) or he’s been made someone’s laughable meme’d bitch.

He hasn't gotten worse, statistically he's had monster seasons, we are asking him to run the offense and he isn't getting to do hardly any off ball stuff, which he is elite at, we're also asking him to handle the toughest defensive assignment the majority of the time he is on the court because Beal, Jones and Allen can't defend anyone.

Yeah… statistically Bradley Beal used to have monster seasons too. Same with Melo. Guys who Booker basically equates to. As for his defensive excuse, what was the excuse the first six years of his career when he was awful on D? Reality is he’s played good defense in 2 out of his 10 years.

 

[Phrazbit]

A few plays? They lost in 6 games, Booker was bad in the deciding game, and had a run to the Finals littered with opponents best players or second best players being injured. Now I know you’ll come back with your usual retort that lots of title teams won their titles with injury marred playoff runs. Here’s the big difference… BOOKER’S TEAM DIDN’T. So all that run showed me was that even with all kinds of favorable luck headed our way for once, even with HCA AND a 2-0 lead in the Finals, Book STILL couldn’t win a title as a 2. When you throw in that he’s been completely and utterly humiliated out of the playoffs ever since and it speaks even less for him. That Finals run was sadly the glaring exception to the rule of Booker’s entire career where we’ve either missed the playoffs entirely (the majority of his tenure) or he’s been made someone’s laughable meme’d bitch.



Yeah… statistically Bradley Beal used to have monster seasons too. Same with Melo. Guys who Booker basically equates to. As for his defensive excuse, what was the excuse the first six years of his career when he was awful on D? Reality is he’s played good defense in 2 out of his 10 years.

What point are you trying to make here? I said Booker is a top 2 guy, you agree with that a post later, then you fly off the handle.

 

[Covert Rain]

I think many opinions are going to sway one way or the other about our owner after this off season.

 

[Phrazbit]

I think many opinions are going to sway one way or the other about our owner after this off season.

He's going to be around for a long time (I assume) so he has time to change the narrative, but right now his impact has been tremendously negative.

Sarver took over a team with immense potential and slowly ruined them through penny pinching and meddling... Ishbia took over a team with immense potential and immediately destroyed it by making one horrendous, short term thinking, mistake after another.

I appreciate his ambition and his commitment, he wants it far more than Sarver ever seemed to. He wants to make the fan experience better, he wants to treat the players as well as possible... all commendable. However, he has done more damage to the on-court product in a couple years than Sarver managed to pull off in nearly his first decade... and we are not even close to seeing the end of the collapse.

I really hope he takes these first few, utterly ruinous, seasons as a teaching moment, I want to like him, but he needs to stop with the "I listen to Isiah Thomas" vibe he gives off when it comes to the roster.

 

[95pro]

He's going to be around for a long time (I assume) so he has time to change the narrative, but right now his impact has been tremendously negative.

Sarver took over a team with immense potential and slowly ruined them through penny pinching and meddling... Ishbia took over a team with immense potential and immediately destroyed it by making one horrendous, short term thinking, mistake after another.

I appreciate his ambition and his commitment, he wants it far more than Sarver ever seemed to. He wants to make the fan experience better, he wants to treat the players as well as possible... all commendable. However, he has done more damage to the on-court product in a couple years than Sarver managed to pull off in nearly his first decade... and we are not even close to seeing the end of the collapse.

I really hope he takes these first few, utterly ruinous, seasons as a teaching moment, I want to like him, but he needs to stop with the "I listen to Isiah Thomas" vibe he gives off when it comes to the roster.

I still think Ishbia was convinced, and then pushed the KD trade through without thought about what and how many assets he gave up. This screams IT to me.

 

[BirdGangThing]

Well you can trade everyone like a damn disgrace
Drag my team to 11th place
I don't care anymore

You can tell everybody 'bout the bind we're in
Sold our whole future and you still can't win

I don't care anymore
I don't care anymore, d'you hear?

I don't care what you say
This aint the same game you think you played

'Cause I've been talking to the people
that you call the fans
And it seems to me there'll be nobody in the stands

They don't care anymore

And as for me I can sit here and bide my time
But we got no draft picks til 2059
I don't care anymore
I don't care no more

no more - no more

no more - no more

no more - no more

no more - no more

 

[82CardsGrad]

A few plays? They lost in 6 games, Booker was bad in the deciding game, and had a run to the Finals littered with opponents best players or second best players being injured. Now I know you’ll come back with your usual retort that lots of title teams won their titles with injury marred playoff runs. Here’s the big difference… BOOKER’S TEAM DIDN’T. So all that run showed me was that even with all kinds of favorable luck headed our way for once, even with HCA AND a 2-0 lead in the Finals, Book STILL couldn’t win a title as a 2. When you throw in that he’s been completely and utterly humiliated out of the playoffs ever since and it speaks even less for him. That Finals run was sadly the glaring exception to the rule of Booker’s entire career where we’ve either missed the playoffs entirely (the majority of his tenure) or he’s been made someone’s laughable meme’d bitch.



Yeah… statistically Bradley Beal used to have monster seasons too. Same with Melo. Guys who Booker basically equates to. As for his defensive excuse, what was the excuse the first six years of his career when he was awful on D? Reality is he’s played good defense in 2 out of his 10 years.

I’m far from a Book apologist… losing 4 straighter to the Bucks was horrendous. And the post season crashes since then are beyond putrid. For which Book has to shoulder an immense amount of accountability.
I agree also that rarely, if ever does Book strike fear in the hearts of opponents. He’s a very good scorer, who can shoot the 3 and can’t get to the rim on demand…
But gotta say, that finals collapse against the Bucks - I mean, who was our #1 if Book was our #2? That team has been proven to be a sham… Very fortunate to get to the finals and somehow win the first two games at home. But then the clock struck 12 and reality came crashing down. They simply weren’t that great of a team…

 

[BirdGangThing]

how much did sarver spend to get to the finals

how much did ish spend to miss the playoffs

how many first round draft picks did sarver have

how many first round draft picks does ish have

being a billionaire doesn't make you a genius - a genius doesn't buy a finals team - dismantle it - and ruin it - a genius doesn't have to worry about the sponsor yanking their name off your building

someone please stop this man - other western teams are rejoicing - everybody went up a notch with ish's arrival - he is the sucker at the poker table trying to flex his big billionaire balls and the more experienced players are taking his money respect and relevance away from him with every hand

this dude clearly doesn't think long term - mortgage guy my ass mortgages everything to get 3 of a kind - then goes all in on a 3 of a kind - not a full house - not a straight - but a 3 of a kind - 3 of a ****ing kind

everything we pray for backfires lol - from owners to coaches to players - everytime we reach the mountain top they break our nose lol - everytime we see the cup king arthur sent us to get we fail to grasp it - suns of the round table -doomed to roam the country out numbered with no armor - we are truly cursed

 

[BirdGangThing]

i think jj is the only one who did his job this year in identifying dunn and oso and in finally getting his g-league team - i think ish is impulsive and definitely meddles - it's the only way to explain the complete 180 this ball club has taken - hands off my ass - i don't think jj makes those trades on his own - trades is what did us in - our new owner saw players and just had to have them - and until the tell all book comes out and disproves it that's how i sees it