New Owner - Mat Ishbia

[Covert Rain]

This is arguable. With KD as their 1, the Nets had reeled off like 21 of 24 wins and was either the 1 or 2 seed in the East before he got hurt.

What’s not arguable is he’s not a 1 anymore. And even sadder, Book is DEFINITELY not a 1 and to be honest, isn’t even really a championship level 2 because he’s pretty one dimensional and doesn’t play both sides of the court. And he’s absolute trash as a number 1.

You don't think Book could be a #2 on a title team? In terms of a #1 there is no question he is not that player. I don't know how anybody could argue otherwise. Although my brother doesn't think so either. He said Book is a #3 that the Suns elevated to a #2 and this why the Suns won't win a title with him no matter who you put next to him.

 

[Cheesebeef]

You don't think Book could be a #2 on a title team? In terms of a #1 there is no question he is not that player. I don't know how anybody could argue otherwise. Although my brother doesn't think so either. He said Book is a #3 that the Suns elevated to a #2 and this why the Suns won't win a title with him no matter who you put next to him.

To be honest… no. A number 2 needs to be able to control a game, be some kind of matchup nightmare or be a SUPER clutch playoff performer. Book is none of those things. He’s a very scorer… and that’s it.

 

[Covert Rain]

To be honest… no. A number 2 needs to be able to control a game, be some kind of matchup nightmare or be a SUPER clutch playoff performer. Book is none of those things. He’s a very scorer… and that’s it.

You and my brother are of like mind on this.

 

[gimpy]

Oh, Stephen A ripping the Suns at half time.

 

[gimpy]

They all are ripping the Suns. SMH

 

[Covert Rain]

They all are ripping the Suns. SMH

They should be. The team is a complete embarrassment.

 

[gimpy]

Ishbia, are you watching this half time report show?
Suns suck. Not the word they used, but that is what they said.

 

[gimpy]

Some one needs to send a recording of this to Suns ownership.

 

[Mainstreet]

Oh, Stephen A ripping the Suns at half time.

They all are ripping the Suns. SMH

And rightfully so. I hope the whole Suns organization is ashamed to put such a product on the court.

 

[BirdGangThing]

Oh, Stephen A ripping the Suns at half time.

sounded like one of my morning rants lol and i don't like stephen a

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

To be honest… no. A number 2 needs to be able to control a game, be some kind of matchup nightmare or be a SUPER clutch playoff performer. Book is none of those things. He’s a very scorer… and that’s it.

I don’t agree. I think he could be a championship #2. You can’t convince me that he couldn’t be a Middleton to a Giannis.

 

[Phrazbit]

I don’t agree. I think he could be a championship #2. You can’t convince me that he couldn’t be a Middleton to a Giannis.

I know, we saw him come within a few plays of a title a few years ago on a team where he was unquestionably a top 2 guy.

He hasn't gotten worse, statistically he's had monster seasons, we are asking him to run the offense and he isn't getting to do hardly any off ball stuff, which he is elite at, we're also asking him to handle the toughest defensive assignment the majority of the time he is on the court because Beal, Jones and Allen can't defend anyone.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I don’t agree. I think he could be a championship #2. You can’t convince me that he couldn’t be a Middleton to a Giannis.

Yeah… bad #2 was too much. He’s more of a mid #2 for a title contender.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I know, we saw him come within a few plays of a title a few years ago on a team where he was unquestionably a top 2 guy.

A few plays? They lost in 6 games, Booker was bad in the deciding game, and had a run to the Finals littered with opponents best players or second best players being injured. Now I know you’ll come back with your usual retort that lots of title teams won their titles with injury marred playoff runs. Here’s the big difference… BOOKER’S TEAM DIDN’T. So all that run showed me was that even with all kinds of favorable luck headed our way for once, even with HCA AND a 2-0 lead in the Finals, Book STILL couldn’t win a title as a 2. When you throw in that he’s been completely and utterly humiliated out of the playoffs ever since and it speaks even less for him. That Finals run was sadly the glaring exception to the rule of Booker’s entire career where we’ve either missed the playoffs entirely (the majority of his tenure) or he’s been made someone’s laughable meme’d bitch.

He hasn't gotten worse, statistically he's had monster seasons, we are asking him to run the offense and he isn't getting to do hardly any off ball stuff, which he is elite at, we're also asking him to handle the toughest defensive assignment the majority of the time he is on the court because Beal, Jones and Allen can't defend anyone.

Yeah… statistically Bradley Beal used to have monster seasons too. Same with Melo. Guys who Booker basically equates to. As for his defensive excuse, what was the excuse the first six years of his career when he was awful on D? Reality is he’s played good defense in 2 out of his 10 years.

 

[Phrazbit]

A few plays? They lost in 6 games, Booker was bad in the deciding game, and had a run to the Finals littered with opponents best players or second best players being injured. Now I know you’ll come back with your usual retort that lots of title teams won their titles with injury marred playoff runs. Here’s the big difference… BOOKER’S TEAM DIDN’T. So all that run showed me was that even with all kinds of favorable luck headed our way for once, even with HCA AND a 2-0 lead in the Finals, Book STILL couldn’t win a title as a 2. When you throw in that he’s been completely and utterly humiliated out of the playoffs ever since and it speaks even less for him. That Finals run was sadly the glaring exception to the rule of Booker’s entire career where we’ve either missed the playoffs entirely (the majority of his tenure) or he’s been made someone’s laughable meme’d bitch.



Yeah… statistically Bradley Beal used to have monster seasons too. Same with Melo. Guys who Booker basically equates to. As for his defensive excuse, what was the excuse the first six years of his career when he was awful on D? Reality is he’s played good defense in 2 out of his 10 years.

What point are you trying to make here? I said Booker is a top 2 guy, you agree with that a post later, then you fly off the handle.

 

[Covert Rain]

I think many opinions are going to sway one way or the other about our owner after this off season.

 

[Phrazbit]

I think many opinions are going to sway one way or the other about our owner after this off season.

He's going to be around for a long time (I assume) so he has time to change the narrative, but right now his impact has been tremendously negative.

Sarver took over a team with immense potential and slowly ruined them through penny pinching and meddling... Ishbia took over a team with immense potential and immediately destroyed it by making one horrendous, short term thinking, mistake after another.

I appreciate his ambition and his commitment, he wants it far more than Sarver ever seemed to. He wants to make the fan experience better, he wants to treat the players as well as possible... all commendable. However, he has done more damage to the on-court product in a couple years than Sarver managed to pull off in nearly his first decade... and we are not even close to seeing the end of the collapse.

I really hope he takes these first few, utterly ruinous, seasons as a teaching moment, I want to like him, but he needs to stop with the "I listen to Isiah Thomas" vibe he gives off when it comes to the roster.

 

[95pro]

He's going to be around for a long time (I assume) so he has time to change the narrative, but right now his impact has been tremendously negative.

Sarver took over a team with immense potential and slowly ruined them through penny pinching and meddling... Ishbia took over a team with immense potential and immediately destroyed it by making one horrendous, short term thinking, mistake after another.

I appreciate his ambition and his commitment, he wants it far more than Sarver ever seemed to. He wants to make the fan experience better, he wants to treat the players as well as possible... all commendable. However, he has done more damage to the on-court product in a couple years than Sarver managed to pull off in nearly his first decade... and we are not even close to seeing the end of the collapse.

I really hope he takes these first few, utterly ruinous, seasons as a teaching moment, I want to like him, but he needs to stop with the "I listen to Isiah Thomas" vibe he gives off when it comes to the roster.

I still think Ishbia was convinced, and then pushed the KD trade through without thought about what and how many assets he gave up. This screams IT to me.