#1 or BUST! The O'Mighty DRAFT Thread

[Yuma]

We're going to get #1 pick dawg... forgetaboutit

This could be the year we finally do NOT get screwed in the draft. I will be sweating it until they show the third pick and the Suns have not shown up. Then of course the Lakers or someone should be at number two!

 

[pokerface]

This could be the year we finally do NOT get screwed in the draft. I will be sweating it until they show the third pick and the Suns have not shown up. Then of course the Lakers or someone should be at number two!

Absolutely this is our draft. Top 3 is what we're shooting for.. #1 is bonus.

 

[pokerface]

Tuesday, May 16

2017 NBA draft lottery

 

[Hoop Head]

Over a month for the lottery? I thought they usually did it at the end of April?

 

[hsandhu]

Tuesday, May 16

2017 NBA draft lottery

Yep, I say officially close this thread. The tank goal was achieved... now the lottery and draft are the goals.

 

[JCSunsfan]

The tank is complete. Hmmm. Now it's just ping pong balls.

 

[pokerface]

Yep, I say officially close this thread. The tank goal was achieved... now the lottery and draft are the goals.

I was hoping we could use this thread until lottery or draft day. I changed the title to DRAFT thread. I don't care though...

 

[pokerface]

The tank is complete. Hmmm. Now it's just ping pong balls.

It was quite a tank... Losing is hard work


Now we have to sweat it out until lotto. Is this agony ever over? I just don't want us getting bumped to #4... Hopefully it's top two.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I do not know what to think now. We are most likely going to be the #4 pick according to the odds. So I guess that is what I will expect. Anything else will be a bonus.

 

[pokerface]

I do not know what to think now. We are most likely going to be the #4 pick according to the odds. So I guess that is what I will expect. Anything else will be a bonus.

I thought the suns are over 50% chance to get top 3.

Still...Top 4 in this deep draft wouldn't be bad...Just not primo.

 

[Russ Smith]

Not sure if this has been mentioned in the thread or not but if the rumors are true you may see a bunch of teams tanking again next season. The rumor is Marvin Bagley Jr is strongly considering reclassifying and starting college next year instead of 2018. He would probably be the #1 pick in the upcoming draft THIS year, certainly with him and DeAnde Ayton in the same draft we'd see several teams tanking again.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

I thought the suns are over 50% chance to get top 3.

Still...Top 4 in this deep draft wouldn't be bad...Just not primo.

They do have a better than 50% chance, but their odds of picking 4th are higher than their odds of any other single spot.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

Not sure if this has been mentioned in the thread or not but if the rumors are true you may see a bunch of teams tanking again next season. The rumor is Marvin Bagley Jr is strongly considering reclassifying and starting college next year instead of 2018. He would probably be the #1 pick in the upcoming draft THIS year, certainly with him and DeAnde Ayton in the same draft we'd see several teams tanking again.

Not to mention Porter Jr., Doncic, and Bomba.

That said, I hope the Suns aren't one of those teams. My soul can't handle another tanking season.

 

[Covert Rain]

The more and more I look at this draft and the more I am convinced that the Suns trade down unless they get the #1. It doesn't seem like they want to get rid of Bledsoe (that could be a smoke screen). If the do get the #1 draft I think they don't pass on a franchise player regardless of position.

If they really want to keep Bledsoe, don't get the #1, they are not going to draft a PG IMO. Most of the mock drafts have us picking a PG. That makes no sense if we don't plan on moving Bledsoe or get the #1 pick. I think if we don't get the #1 pick, they trade down and draft Jackson or Tatum.

The X-Factor is they might really want to move Bledsoe. Then I could see us drafting Ball who likes to pass. IMO it gets dicey if Ball is gone and Fultz is left on the board. Yes he can pass but he likes to shoot more. Which again doesn't makes sense if Booker is your future featured scorer on the offense.

Jackson on many draft boards early this season was the #1 pick. I guess it's also possible the Suns feel he is the best player in the draft and take him at #2 but people seemed to have cooled on Jackson since earlier this season.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I do not know what to think now. We are most likely going to be the #4 pick according to the odds. So I guess that is what I will expect. Anything else will be a bonus.

Not true at all. The Suns cumulatively are more likely to get a top 3 pick than the 4th. 56% chance at the top 3 and 32% chance at the 4th pick. 56% > 32% any day of the week.

 

[Covert Rain]

Another scenario which isn't likely to happen but if the Lakers are desperate for that #2 pick (assuming we get it), maybe you could trade down to #3 and swap the #32 pick for the Lakers #28 pick. The Suns would likely still get who they want and move up for the second pick.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Another scenario which isn't likely to happen but if the Lakers are desperate for that #2 pick (assuming we get it), maybe you could trade down to #3 and swap the #32 pick for the Lakers #28 pick. The Suns would likely still get who they want and move up for the second pick.

I just don't understand why the Lakers would do it. The only way I could see the Lakers doing that is if they were afraid that we would trade it to someone else if not to them, but otherwise they are better off just letting us pick who we want and keeping their 28th pick.

 

[Covert Rain]

I just don't understand why the Lakers would do it. The only way I could see the Lakers doing that is if they were afraid that we would trade it to someone else if not to them, but otherwise they are better off just letting us pick who we want and keeping their 28th pick.

That is exactly the scenario I was thinking. If the Lakers think their guy might be drafted by the Suns or that the Suns are entertaining trading that pick to someone who has shown interest in that same player that would give them some leverage.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Not true at all. The Suns cumulatively are more likely to get a top 3 pick than the 4th. 56% chance at the top 3 and 32% chance at the 4th pick. 56% > 32% any day of the week.

But the number 4 is the most likely pick, individually. So, psychologically, it seems better to approach it that way.

And of course, I take 56% over 32%. But I am a Suns fan. I feel like that kid in Polar Express. "Christmas (the draft) just doesn't work out for me."

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[JCSunsfan]

I just don't understand why the Lakers would do it. The only way I could see the Lakers doing that is if they were afraid that we would trade it to someone else if not to them, but otherwise they are better off just letting us pick who we want and keeping their 28th pick.

For this to happen, the Suns have to like both players available equally, or the one they know the Lakers will not take a little more. They have to communicate ambivalence about which player they will take. In that case, the Lakers would make the trade to ensure they get their guy. In fact, I think you could get alot more in this case. I think the Suns could get that #28 pick outright in this scenario. If I were a Lakers fan, I would have no problem whatsoever giving up that pick to move up and get the player they really want.

In that scenario, maybe the Suns could package #28 and the two second rounders to move up into the middle of the first round. Not sure who would be the trade target.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

But the number 4 is the most likely pick, individually. So, psychologically, it seems better to approach it that way.

And of course, I take 56% over 32%. But I am a Suns fan. I feel like that kid in Polar Express. "Christmas (the draft) just doesn't work out for me."

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Well Brooklyn (Boston) actually has more of a chance at the 4th pick than us 35.7%. So we have that going for us.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

For this to happen, the Suns have to like both players available equally, or the one they know the Lakers will not take a little more. They have to communicate ambivalence about which player they will take. In that case, the Lakers would make the trade to ensure they get their guy. In fact, I think you could get alot more in this case.

But who is to say that if we are very close on those two players that the Lakers won't share a similar opinion. In the end I guess I just highly doubt a trade like that is going to happen and thus it just doesn't make much sense to me.

 

[Covert Rain]

The Celtics (Nets pick) individually has a better chance at getting the #4 pick than we do (35.8%) chance. That isn't going to happen.

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The nightmare scenario is that the #1 pick doesn't fall to Boston (or us). If that happens, Boston likely gets #2 and we drop.

 

[JCSunsfan]

But who is to say that if we are very close on those two players that the Lakers won't share a similar opinion. In the end I guess I just highly doubt a trade like that is going to happen and thus it just doesn't make much sense to me.

Well, if they share the same opinion, then the trade would not work. Simple as that. People are just assuming that they will be hot for Lonzo and would be willing to add something to get him.

 

[AZ Native]

I thought the suns are over 50% chance to get top 3.

Still...Top 4 in this deep draft wouldn't be bad...Just not primo.

As #2 our odds for a top 3 pick are 55.8%.