100% OUT on Wilks after today

[conraddobler]

Yeah, I'd agree.

I'm not sure what the lost revenue projection of the fans giving up on the team would add out to, but I suspect Michael Bidwill has seen those returns when comparing the 2011 and 2012 Cards compared to the 2013-15 Cards.

I'm guessing it's a helluva lot more than what Kiem and Wilks make combined.

But we'll have to be crazy terrible, like, only watching for comedy bad. Basically... exactly where we are right now. I have to admit, once I started trying to guess where Bradford was going to throw the ball (by looking for the shortest route) the game got fun.

Well the gate revenues are listed at around 59 million a year.

Total revenue is 370 million a year.

The thing is the gate will never go to zero no matter what they do and it's tough to see it going much lower in any signifigant way because other teams fans will just buy tickets for their games.

You're talking 25 million or more to let the GM, coach and staffs turn over.

Let's say they all get jobs and their contracts have a difference in pay clause so you only end up eating like 10 million a year for three years.

That's a HUGE hole that it'd be hard to see people actually create by not going to the games and then have no one buy the tickets.

I personally don't think that math adds up to anywhere near what it'll cost to fire them so I think the money says you keep everyone in place.

I'm not advocating one thing or another but just pointing out that financially it's not an easy thing to do. Personally my belief is a sunk cost is a sunk cost and you move on and move forward when you feel you should but that's just me.

The math is not pretty.

 

[StreetTruckinTitan]

Unless Mike wants to suffer a PR nightmare by firing Wilks midseason I think he'll be coaching the Cardinals for the next year or two. McCoy could be fired before seasons end if the offense continues to be a dumpster fire but Wilks is securely cemented in his job - unfortunately.
Lets face it. Were the Browns of the league this season so that means #1 draft picks.

 

[conraddobler]

Unless Mike wants to suffer a PR nightmare by firing Wilks midseason I think he'll be coaching the Cardinals for the next year or two. McCoy could be fired before seasons end if the offense continues to be a dumpster fire but Wilks is securely cemented in his job - unfortunately.
Lets face it. Were the Browns of the league this season so that means #1 draft picks.

Or......

Rosen will end up starting and winning a couple games and that draft pick will go away as previous history tells us we never get the first pick.

My preference for coaches is a coaching staff that can outthink the other coaching staffs.

I see no indication that's what we have in any of our coaches so it's dejavu all over again.

I'll always like the Cardinals but I've minimized my time investment into them to this board for a few minutes a day and then reading the box scores.

Even that can be cut back.

 

[Veer]

Firing Wilks before our bye week would put a bad light on the organization. It's clearly not all on him, and he seems like a genuine, hard working guy. If it becomes evident that he's lost the locker room though, I could see him being gone before the season is over, even if it usually isn't Bidwill's style. If they fight until the end and show improvement, maybe win some games along the way, Wilks could get another year.

 

[Gandhi]

All firing him would do is probably result in another failed hire anyway.

You are probably right that a new head coach right know won’t change much other than it being a clear signal to everyone on and around the team. Anyway, I think it’s a completely moot subject, since it is most likely totally out of the question that Wilks should be let go already. At least, I have never heard of such things in the NFL. There’s also lots of time for him to be successful in Arizona, so it’s probably too soon to give up on him, though I must admit that I am not that thrilled with him.

Put it this way, if they fire him, and presumeably the entire staff, eating all those contracts, plus probably the GM then they would have NO MONEY or at least in my opinion it's hard to see how they could possibly afford all that AND hire anyone AND have that anyone be a signifigant ENOUGH improvement.

I believe that, other than Wilks, John DeFilippo and Brian Flores were the finalist for the head coaching job, and thus if they actually did make a change already, I think they would look at those two again. This goes for next season as well. They are both upcoming hotshots, so I doubt they would demand huge salaries. There assistant coaches might be a different matter, of course. Anyway, we don’t know how much money Michael Bidwill truly has, or how much the organization has earned through various things, and I don’t really think any NFL owner would let such things stop him from doing what he thinks is best, and thus also the best business for himself. Those guys are insanely rich, and it is in part because they know how to handle businesses.

 

[vince56]

Fire a coach after two games? Lol! Totally legit move, and what big-time organizations do.

This board is pure comedy man. I can't stop laughing.

We're lucky we're not all locked in like a big conference room or something, because it would only be about 15 minutes before a free-for-all broke out. Lol...

2 games? No, absolutely. But if this carries past game 6 or 7, the customer base will be seething, or even worse they'll be so bad we won't even care. No owner wants a half empty stadium showing on television, especially when the tickets are sold and people just don't want to show up. There are long term bad effects for the organization at that point. Moves bring hope, whether they're right or wrong, and standing pat while the boat fills with water does nobody any good.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

We are so bad it’s driven THESMEL to this!!!

Wow. That IS impressive on a tragic level.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Didn't anybody ever see Hoosiers? They wanted Coach Dale out also and ended up winning the state championship. Rosen is our Jimmy Chitwood. Super Bowl here we come .

 

[iLLmatiC]

We are so bad it’s driven THESMEL to this!!!

You KNOW it's bad when THESMEL is calling for more passing. Damn. We are at an all time low.

 

[Brak]

It would be absolutely ludicrous to fire a head coach before even completing ONE season. That's not gonna happen. Who would want to coach here after that?

Now, assistants are another story. Bidwill could demand that McCoy be fired and/or other adjustments be made at any moment. I'd say one more week as bad as the first two and we could see this happen.

 

[overseascardfan]

At this point the only thing to do is ride this year out. There is no coaching option now that is available and would be willing to walk into this situation during the year.

I thought Wilks was a good hire because I thought he would bring that Carolina defensive swagger and take the defense to the next level. In hiring him you knew he needed to get an offensive genius for an OC to balance him out.

What went wrong is they did not get the OC they needed because of lack of options as all the good OCs were up for HC jobs and they tried to convert 3-4 defensive personnel into a 4-3 instead of using the draft and free agency to get fits for the new system.

 

[tnmike]

Fire a coach after two games? Lol! Totally legit move, and what big-time organizations do.

This board is pure comedy man. I can't stop laughing.

We're lucky we're not all locked in like a big conference room or something, because it would only be about 15 minutes before a free-for-all broke out. Lol...

Rams fired George Allen in 1978 2 games into the preseason so yes it can happen

 

[AZ Native]

Didn't anybody ever see Hoosiers? They wanted Coach Dale out also and ended up winning the state championship. Rosen is our Jimmy Chitwood. Super Bowl here we come .

And the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor.

 

[slanidrac16]

Here’s how I see things unfolding. First off no fan is going to accept nothing being changed if/when we continue to perform the way we are. So I would reassigned McCoy to a consultant and hand the play calling over to leftwich. At least it would show an effort to adjust off of what’s going on.rosen is coming sooner rather than later. I would like to think reps with the starters and two home games would get this staff thinking now might be the time...but it won’t. Long term Keim will be fired at the end of the year and we will have a new GM. If the right head coach is available Wilks will be fired. That isn’t going to happen because there are too many holes on this team and a new coach would be starting over with a purged roster. The new GM will start turning over the roster to fit his vision. Won’t matter what Wilks thinks the team needs. Wilks will be fired after year two. The new GM will have more pieces in place and replace Wilks with his guy to fit his vision and personnel. Keim décision failures especially in the draft has killed this team for at least the next two years.

 

[ProdigalSun]

Weren't the Cowboys 1-16 or something Jimmy Johnson's first year?

 

[football karma]

I don't think firing a coach mid season, in their first season will do the organization's reputation any good.

The team does have to hire a replacement, and these things do matter at the margins. ​

Further, there aren't any obvious OC internal candidates. Byron Leftwich has only been a QB coach for 2 years (IIRC) -- Kirby Wilson has been a career RB coach. Ditto Ray Brown on the OL.


This is the bed the org has made, and they will just have to ride it out until the end of the season -- and then everything is on the table

 

[Jake6233]

LOL! Yeah ok Wilks

He's right though. He stands out just not in a good way.

 

[wa52lz]

At this point the only thing to do is ride this year out. There is no coaching option now that is available and would be willing to walk into this situation during the year.

I thought Wilks was a good hire because I thought he would bring that Carolina defensive swagger and take the defense to the next level. In hiring him you knew he needed to get an offensive genius for an OC to balance him out.

What went wrong is they did not get the OC they needed because of lack of options as all the good OCs were up for HC jobs and they tried to convert 3-4 defensive personnel into a 4-3 instead of using the draft and free agency to get fits for the new system.

I'm pretty sure Hank Kuhlmann is still alive.

 

[wa52lz]

Weren't the Cowboys 1-16 or something Jimmy Johnson's first year?

Yep 1-15, but remember his GM wasn't a fat drunk.

 

[oaken1]

Well the gate revenues are listed at around 59 million a year.

Total revenue is 370 million a year.

The thing is the gate will never go to zero no matter what they do and it's tough to see it going much lower in any signifigant way because other teams fans will just buy tickets for their games.

You're talking 25 million or more to let the GM, coach and staffs turn over.

Let's say they all get jobs and their contracts have a difference in pay clause so you only end up eating like 10 million a year for three years.

That's a HUGE hole that it'd be hard to see people actually create by not going to the games and then have no one buy the tickets.

I personally don't think that math adds up to anywhere near what it'll cost to fire them so I think the money says you keep everyone in place.

I'm not advocating one thing or another but just pointing out that financially it's not an easy thing to do. Personally my belief is a sunk cost is a sunk cost and you move on and move forward when you feel you should but that's just me.

The math is not pretty.

gate revenue is a pretty small portion of the pie. Concessions are big,.... selling $3 worth of material for $150 is pretty big. I remember the discussions when we were trying to get our own stadium...parking and gate is cool, but not huge money in the overall scheme....food, beer, foam fingers,jerseys, yada, yada...make money...with tv revenue being the lions share.

by nfl rules..gate has to be shared with the visiting team...concession money stays in house....IIRC

 

[cardpa]

We are so bad it’s driven THESMEL to this!!!

It's like Thesmel has gone off the deep end! Hell may have just froze over.

 

[cardpa]

Wilks is making Dave McGinnis look like the second coming of Bill Belichick.

 

[DeAnna]

I personally don't think that math adds up to anywhere near what it'll cost to fire them so I think the money says you keep everyone in place. The math is not pretty.

Coach/Staff salaries don't count toward the cap - plus, they are flush with cash from the state farm naming rights. I think he might do it (at the end of the season, tho).

 

[DeAnna]

I'm a season ticket holder and not looking forward to going to the Bears game this Sunday especially with Bradford starting. We will start seeing more of the opponents fans at the games. Bradford will suck and the boo birds will be out. I can handle losing if the team is exciting as it was under Arians but not this crap.

Imma email them and ask if we can get a refund

 

[Southpaw]

"I think Sam is doing well." - Coach Wilks

Reminds me of this;

"Brownie, you're doing a heckuva job" re; Katrina

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