15 names I am fine with at 15

[cardncubfan]

Lamar Jackson by a mile over Mayfield.I watched Lamar Jackson for 3 years.I have seen what he can do.I think Lamar has a better chance at being a real impact player than Mayfield.Thats my opinion.To each his own.I don`t think Mayfield will ever bbe more than a average starter at best if that much.

Have you watched any of Mayfield's games by comparison? I understand that you've watched a lot of LJ's games & you probably know more about him than most on here. Just wondering how much you have seen of other college QB's & how you compare them to LJ? Granted I've only watched highlights of several of each so I haven't seen a lot of either. So my opinion doesn't mean a whole heck of a lot.

 

[Vermont Maverick]

Hopefully that will make Price slide into round 2. He's been working at LeCharles Bentley's classes. One guy you left off the list was Denzel Ward.

Sirius Radio interviewed a Metrics expert. Their metrics had Ward ranked so far ahead of every other CB, it was crazy. Ward was ranked at 80 (out of 100) the next guy was 50.

 

[Vermont Maverick]

We have taken 2 inside LBs the last 4 years. I’ll puke if we take another. So I’m passing on Roquan Smith and Edmunds, no matter how talented.

 

[Ohcrap75]

Sirius Radio interviewed a Metrics expert. Their metrics had Ward ranked so far ahead of every other CB, it was crazy. Ward was ranked at 80 (out of 100) the next guy was 50.

That dude needs a new grading scale then... I like Ward, but Q Nelson isn't even that much better than the field at his position... That's absurd

 

[MrYeahBut]

I don't see Mayfield as ever being a backup QB. He's boom or bust imo.

 

[BW52]

Have you watched any of Mayfield's games by comparison? I understand that you've watched a lot of LJ's games & you probably know more about him than most on here. Just wondering how much you have seen of other college QB's & how you compare them to LJ? Granted I've only watched highlights of several of each so I haven't seen a lot of either. So my opinion doesn't mean a whole heck of a lot.

Watched mostly Rosen and Darnold when PAC games are on.Mayfield parts of several games and highlights..I sawv Deshaun Watson torment Louisville and Jackson is better IMHO.jACKSON did more with less talent surrounding around him.Not saying Jackson`s teammates were all bums but Uof L mostly had 3 star rated guys or less.A few high rated guys but mostly 3 star guys trying to play against the Clemsons and Florida States etc;.Jackson mostly was the offense.
I would think Mayfield had a better suppporting cast in a conference not known for playing good defense.not knocking Mayfield but Jackson did more with less.

 

[Snakester]

I have changed my mind on Lamar Jackson. I would use him as a triple threat. RB, WR and as a wild cat QB. His running ability is superb. If he could become a good slot receiver I think he would make a huge impact.

 

[Chopper0080]

Hopefully that will make Price slide into round 2. He's been working at LeCharles Bentley's classes. One guy you left off the list was Denzel Ward.

I don't know how tall Ward is. Personally, I like longer CBs. i think Ward will be a good player, but if he is only 5'10, there is a cap in how good those guys end up being.

 

[Chopper0080]

No it's not and its not even close. There is a reason why the top LT goes in the top 10 every single year and the top C is at the back of the first or early second.

There is an argument for it even if you don't believe so. Where I lean to LT being the most important is because it is tougher to find the guys who can do what is necessary from that position, but C sets protection, sets the front of the pocket, helps blitz pickup, and touches the ball every offensive play. All that being said, it is an easier position to fill.

 

[WildBB]

I don't know how tall Ward is. Personally, I like longer CBs. i think Ward will be a good player, but if he is only 5'10, there is a cap in how good those guys end up being.

Any of the top 5 CB's have just as good a chance at success in the NFL, mtl. Maybe Ward isn't even the 1st one taken, just for the height reason.

But there are going to be very good O linemen, RB's and receivers available in the 2nd and 3rd Rd's. to consider. They have some tough choices to make.

 

[Chopper0080]

When it comes to the next 3 in terms of QBs, here is where I fall

Josh Allen-If you can't be accurate with the football in the NFL, the other stuff really doesn't matter. I have yet to see an inaccurate guy in college suddenly become an accurate QB when he gets to the NFL.

Baker Mayfield-He is more polished than Jackson and Allen. However, he is also older. I don't love a small QB that runs his mouth as much as Mayfield does. Talk stuff to Aaron Donald and see what happens. I'm not too worried about the floor of Mayfield, I think he can easily be a Case Keenum type of player.

Lamar Jackson-I like a lot about Jackson but he is a less polished Mariota IMO, and I wonder how natural you can become doing something that is unnatural. I love his escapability. I like that he WANTS to be a pocket QB. I just worry about how accurate he can actually become, and if he will ever live up to the "potential" you are drafting. I don't think Mariota will, and so I don't really believe Jackson will.

 

[Chopper0080]

Any of the top 5 CB's have just as good a chance at success in the NFL, mtl. Maybe Ward isn't even the 1st one taken, just for the height reason.

But there are going to be very good O linemen, RB's and receivers available in the 2nd and 3rd Rd's. to consider. They have some tough choices to make.

The issue is where and how you address QB. If you don't sign Cousins, we will have to sign a FA guy and draft a QB in one of the top two rounds. That changes what we can get.

 

[JeffGollin]

You are not impressed with Baker Mayfield but you love Lamar Jackson? Mayfield is tops in pretty much every major stat. Completion %, yds, etc.

Are there any stats that measure competitiveness, character, coolness under pressure, attitude, cockiness, huddle presence, off the field behavior, leadership, consistency, coachability, handling adversity etc.?

QB is a special position, where intangibles count a lot. The line between confidence and cockiness is a fine one. Knowing which side of that line a guy like Mayfield is on - is why they pay SK and SW the big buccos.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I don't know how tall Ward is. Personally, I like longer CBs. i think Ward will be a good player, but if he is only 5'10, there is a cap in how good those guys end up being.

I know I'm using one of the best ever, but Revis is 5'11. WR's are getting bigger and more physical every year though. Ward is going to be a stud. Mitch will like him because he tackles too even though covering a guy is the #1 job.

 

[BW52]

I know I'm using one of the best ever, but Revis is 5'11. WR's are getting bigger and more physical every year though. Ward is going to be a stud. Mitch will like him because he tackles too even though covering a guy is the #1 job.

i would rather have a 5`11 CB (ward) who can cover than a 6`1 CB who can`t.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

We will get a good QB at 15. I don't feel we have to move up or give away our future. Its the other positions of need that worry me, like taking a CB and having to wait for him to come around or drafting another Olman that is never good enough to be a starter.

The hardest thing for me will be watching us pass on Vea, Edmunds, or Vander Esch. These type players always seem to fall to the Steelers each year.

 

[Chopper0080]

I know I'm using one of the best ever, but Revis is 5'11. WR's are getting bigger and more physical every year though. Ward is going to be a stud. Mitch will like him because he tackles too even though covering a guy is the #1 job.

To your point, we have a tall, long CB in Peterson already. Ward may not be a bad guy to have as an offset. He is good, and maybe that is more important than my hang up on one or two inches. I might have to concede on him for that list.

 

[Chopper0080]

We will get a good QB at 15. I don't feel we have to move up or give away our future. Its the other positions of need that worry me, like taking a CB and having to wait for him to come around or drafting another Olman that is never good enough to be a starter.

This is a good attitude to have. I am confident that if we took either Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield or Allen, I think we are safe getting a league average QB.

 

[BW52]

This is a good attitude to have. I am confident that if we took either Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield or Allen, I think we are safe getting a league average QB.

As you know il really like Lamar Jackson and i think he can be something special.He and all the QBs will need NFL coaching to get up to speed for the NFL.I think Darnold and Rosen are the closest to being NFL starter ready.Both guys are most likely gone before Cards pick unless Cards trade up to top 3 or 4.Otherwise i see 2 other players who if were available at 15 (if no trade) i would love to see Cards pick...Quinton Nelson OG Notre Dame or Vita Vea DT Washington.Either one would be instant starter on Cards.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I think I’ve finally pinpointed the reason for my lack of interest in mayfield. I think he’s maxed out. I don’t think there’s upside potential there. In order to be great (and I’ll readily admit he’s that) at the major collegiate level I think it took every ounce of his talent. He’s not going to grow taller and he’s not needing to fill out. I think he’s as physically mature as he’s going to get. I don’t think his arm strength will improve. And he’s already a high % passer. Frankly I think he’s so cocky because he knows he puts in more work than everyone else. But I also think THAT’S because he has to in order to excel (which he did). But I think that leaves him negligible room to take it to another level, which will be necessary to excel at the pro level. All that said, it might all be enough to make him an average pro QB. And that’s not the worst thing in the world. For vast periods we’ve been starved for that. So that wouldn’t be the end of the world. But I also think that’s what keeps me from salivating regarding the thought of him QBing the cards.

Caveat - take all that with a grain of salt due to the fact that I tend to lean towards explosive upside potential over the “safer” selection. Sometimes it pays off (Swanny if he hadn’t had injuries) and others it doesn’t (Matty L).

 

[Chopper0080]

As you know il really like Lamar Jackson and i think he can be something special.He and all the QBs will need NFL coaching to get up to speed for the NFL.I think Darnold and Rosen are the closest to being NFL starter ready.Both guys are most likely gone before Cards pick unless Cards trade up to top 3 or 4.Otherwise i see 2 other players who if were available at 15 (if no trade) i would love to see Cards pick...Quinton Nelson OG Notre Dame or Vita Vea DT Washington.Either one would be instant starter on Cards.

I am curious. Do you believe Lamar Jackson is as advanced as Mariota was when he came out? Even if he is as advanced, are you comfortable with the progress Mariota has made over the first 3 years? My biggest concern for Jackson is that even with ideal development, Jackson will not be anywhere close to a finished project by the time he is ready for his next contract.

 

[BW52]

I am curious. Do you believe Lamar Jackson is as advanced as Mariota was when he came out? Even if he is as advanced, are you comfortable with the progress Mariota has made over the first 3 years? My biggest concern for Jackson is that even with ideal development, Jackson will not be anywhere close to a finished project by the time he is ready for his next contract.

I don`t thin you can judge Jackson by what Mariota has or has not done.I know Lamar Jackson improved his accuracy and decision making every year at Louisville and his supporting cast got weaker.He is a smart humble kid who is a hard worker .I think he knows what he has to do to be a better player in the NFL and i have no doubt he will put in the work.As for being a finished product when the first contract runs out well how many players (eespeccially QBs don`t have room to improve even a 3-4 years).?The big question is todo you take Lamar Jackson who is probably the most electric playmaker at QB who has the highest ceiling with the risks that you also take on any QB in Round 1.

 

[WildBB]

The issue is where and how you address QB. If you don't sign Cousins, we will have to sign a FA guy and draft a QB in one of the top two rounds. That changes what we can get.

Exactly. That's what I was inferring. Chances are 50/50 or better right now they will draft a QB in the 1st. They could move up to do so, as so many teams have done to secure their choice when a window was presented to them. Not the best scenario for our other needs but right now it continues to be THE need.

Trade (giving up draft capital) or draft likely offers the same scenario, unless they really like someone other than Darnold, Allen, Rosen and Mayfield, and possibly Jackson at QBOF. But passing on all of them at 15 or before may very well be deemed unacceptabe at this point of need for a real future option to develop.

So the draft may be really limited for the other positions of need that are usually addressed with mixed results.

 

[JeffGollin]

More and more, I'm thinking Vita Vea belongs in Top 15.

A Planet Person with enough agility to play RB in some circumstances. Drafting him would be like building into the interior of your defense - a brick wall with tentacles

 

[Chopper0080]

More and more, I'm thinking Vita Vea belongs in Top 15.

A Planet Person with enough agility to play RB in some circumstances. Drafting him would be like building into the interior of your defense - a brick wall with tentacles

You are correct.