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Say what you want about not drafting an ILB because we have drafted so many high over the past couple years. Roquan Smith is the most instinctive ILB at the top of the draft, and has speed to play all over the field in today's NFL. He is not as big Luke Kuechly, but he is that type of instinctive ILB in the middle of a defense.
 

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More and more, I'm thinking Vita Vea belongs in Top 15.

A Planet Person with enough agility to play RB in some circumstances. Drafting him would be like building into the interior of your defense - a brick wall with tentacles
Vita is easily a top 10 player, arguably top 5............. if he fell to 15 it is only our desperate need for a QB and an Olineman that would keep us from snatching him up....hell, that might not even stop it.
 

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More and more, I'm thinking Vita Vea belongs in Top 15.

A Planet Person with enough agility to play RB in some circumstances. Drafting him would be like building into the interior of your defense - a brick wall with tentacles

I don't know if it was posted earlier in the thread, but he pressed 41 times. Beast.
 

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I think I’ve finally pinpointed the reason for my lack of interest in mayfield. I think he’s maxed out. I don’t think there’s upside potential there. In order to be great (and I’ll readily admit he’s that) at the major collegiate level I think it took every ounce of his talent. He’s not going to grow taller and he’s not needing to fill out. I think he’s as physically mature as he’s going to get. I don’t think his arm strength will improve. And he’s already a high % passer. Frankly I think he’s so cocky because he knows he puts in more work than everyone else. But I also think THAT’S because he has to in order to excel (which he did). But I think that leaves him negligible room to take it to another level, which will be necessary to excel at the pro level. All that said, it might all be enough to make him an average pro QB. And that’s not the worst thing in the world. For vast periods we’ve been starved for that. So that wouldn’t be the end of the world. But I also think that’s what keeps me from salivating regarding the thought of him QBing the cards.

Caveat - take all that with a grain of salt due to the fact that I tend to lean towards explosive upside potential over the “safer” selection. Sometimes it pays off (Swanny if he hadn’t had injuries) and others it doesn’t (Matty L).
Agree. He was a great college QB but there have been many great college QBs that make little or no impact in the NFL I think Mayfield falls in that group. I just can’t see him being a difference maker in the NFL. There are too many things working against him.
 
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Agree. He was a great college QB but there have been many great college QBs that make little or no impact in the NFL I think Mayfield falls in that group. I just can’t see him being a difference maker in the NFL. There are too many things working against him.

Other than height what else is working against him?
 

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Vea is the only defensive player that I would run to the podium for at 15. Other than that guy, our whole offseason needs to revolve around entirely rebuilding our offense. If one of the big quarterbacks falls to us, it's a no brainer, but Lamar Jackson is a one man offensive juggernaut. He can play three positions and be a star, and would be a huge weapon that would change the way people have to try to defend against Fitz and DJ.
 

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Other than height what else is working against him?
Average arm strength. Limited athletically and the rah-rah brash talk is not going to play well in the NFL.

He won’t be throwing to wide open WRs in the pros.

My question is, where is the upside? People want to compare him to the 2 exceptions in Brees and Wilson while ignoring the countkes others of that stature who have failed miserably.

I compare him to Troy Smith. Heisman winning Qb who dominated college but was a late round pick that struggled when given the oppurtunity.
 
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Average arm strength. Limited athletically and the rah-rah brash talk is not going to play well in the NFL.

He won’t be throwing to wide open WRs in the pros.

My question is, where is the upside? People want to compare him to the 2 exceptions in Brees and Wilson while ignoring the countkes others of that stature who have failed miserably.

I compare him to Troy Smith. Heisman winning Qb who dominated college but was a late round pick that struggled when given the oppurtunity.

Another strength of his. Allen & Jackson weren't near as good apparently.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nf...st-football-iq-in-draft/ar-BBJRkSo?li=BBnba9I
 

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If we are talking top 15: Mayfield has to be there.

The only question is how high in the top 15 he goes-- and if he is the 4th QB taken, is he worth trading to #8 or so to get him.
 

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Say what you want about not drafting an ILB because we have drafted so many high over the past couple years. Roquan Smith is the most instinctive ILB at the top of the draft, and has speed to play all over the field in today's NFL. He is not as big Luke Kuechly, but he is that type of instinctive ILB in the middle of a defense.

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You really used Doug Gottlieb as a source??????????????????????

Feel free to look it up for yourself. He did better on the white board than any other player. As for his arm strength...

Mayock: "I thought Baker Mayfield was fun to watch. I think he embraces the limelight. Some guys kind of get worried about it, I think he comes out there and says, hell, 32 teams are here, man, let's rip it, let's have some fun.

"And he did and I thought, again, as the day went on and he got into his comfort level, intermediate and deep routes, several people said to me, including David Carr down on the field, he's like, Mike -- we went to a break -- and he said, man, his arm's better than I expected and I thought the same thing coming off my first exposure to him when I watched tape back in the fall.''

Carr: "Baker's arm is more live than I expected. He's got a little bit more zip than I thought he would have on it because even the deep throws that he made to the sideline were not a lot of arc and he was able to get it out there. I thought he was going to have to be a guy that would have to anticipate, throw a little early. But these in-cuts that he threw, he threw three really good tight spiral footballs down there. So I'm pleasantly surprised by what I've seen from Baker so far."

Carr: "It's a similarity that's probably a little bit of a stretch, but you see a lot of Drew Brees when he's moving around. I think even a little more velocity with him, especially when he's throwing right before Rosen, and you can see he's right there with him.''


http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/03/baker_mayfield_josh_rosen_josh.html
 

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Average arm strength. Limited athletically and the rah-rah brash talk is not going to play well in the NFL.

He won’t be throwing to wide open WRs in the pros.

My question is, where is the upside? People want to compare him to the 2 exceptions in Brees and Wilson while ignoring the countkes others of that stature who have failed miserably.

I compare him to Troy Smith. Heisman winning Qb who dominated college but was a late round pick that struggled when given the oppurtunity.
Feel free to look it up for yourself. He did better on the white board than any other player. As for his arm strength...

Mayock: "I thought Baker Mayfield was fun to watch. I think he embraces the limelight. Some guys kind of get worried about it, I think he comes out there and says, hell, 32 teams are here, man, let's rip it, let's have some fun.

"And he did and I thought, again, as the day went on and he got into his comfort level, intermediate and deep routes, several people said to me, including David Carr down on the field, he's like, Mike -- we went to a break -- and he said, man, his arm's better than I expected and I thought the same thing coming off my first exposure to him when I watched tape back in the fall.''

Carr: "Baker's arm is more live than I expected. He's got a little bit more zip than I thought he would have on it because even the deep throws that he made to the sideline were not a lot of arc and he was able to get it out there. I thought he was going to have to be a guy that would have to anticipate, throw a little early. But these in-cuts that he threw, he threw three really good tight spiral footballs down there. So I'm pleasantly surprised by what I've seen from Baker so far."

Carr: "It's a similarity that's probably a little bit of a stretch, but you see a lot of Drew Brees when he's moving around. I think even a little more velocity with him, especially when he's throwing right before Rosen, and you can see he's right there with him.''


http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/03/baker_mayfield_josh_rosen_josh.html
Yeah I recorded that segment from the combine on my phone & couldn’t get it loaded on here for some reason.

Oh well thx for posting it...people can have a favorite QB & a difference of opinion, but for peeps here saying things about BM that simply aren’t true is ridiculous.
 

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I still think, that the top QB are all quite good, I don't see Rudolph in there but for me if you draft one of Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen, Jackson, Allen, Lauletta, Faulk you have a chance to get a FQB the problem is not the guy you draft but the guy for who he plays.

The wrong coach will destroy Darnold as he can destroy Mayfield or any other of this prospects. But with good coaching and good work this guys can be good to great QB.

Some may be better, but still, all are good players that can win you a game if on the line.

Than there are QB in this draft that could get to that level of play, but aren't there yet, Barett for example or Rudolph.
 

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No freaking way! If Keim & Michael we’re on board with that they might as well fold the franchise
No freaking way! If Keim & Michael we’re on board with that they might as well fold the franchise
dramatic Bucky ? fold the franchise because they give a middle 1st round draft pick for the reigning SBMVP QB? When we have no QB's? I can hear Braveheart now - Peace is made in such ways! SLAVES ARE MADE IN SUCH WAYS ---- Bradford was worth a 1st and a 4th to the Vikings- I believe Rams and Browns got 2 first round picks so other teams could draft a chance at a franchise QB - I think many are over valuing pick 15 or under valuing a healthy experienced SBMVP QB. Fact is that's the price and I feel it is a good option to have in any year.
 

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Why would you say that? He's a Superbowl winning QB. He made all the right throws, save one? He took over the team near the end of the season and just marched them right thru the playoffs. Beat a future QB hall off famer who had the game of his life throwing for over 500 yards. And, according to most people on this board, the only bad years he had can be attributed to a certain coach he had.

I don't think I would give up the pick for him, but, I wouldn't "fold the franchise" if they did. (Ducking)
 
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Why would you say that? He's a Superbowl winning QB. He made all the right throws, save one? He took over the team near the end of the season and just marched them right thru the playoffs. Beat a future QB hall off famer who had the game of his life throwing for over 500 yards. And, according to most people on this board, the only bad years he had can be attributed to a certain coach he had.

I don't think I would give up the pick for him, but, I wouldn't "fold the franchise" if they did. (Ducking)

Bucky tends to be over dramatic a lot. ;)
 

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Why would you say that? He's a Superbowl winning QB. He made all the right throws, save one? He took over the team near the end of the season and just marched them right thru the playoffs. Beat a future QB hall off famer who had the game of his life throwing for over 500 yards. And, according to most people on this board, the only bad years he had can be attributed to a certain coach he had.

I don't think I would give up the pick for him, but, I wouldn't "fold the franchise" if they did. (Ducking)

before the playoffs last season Nick was a 56% passer in 2017...he was not stellar. The staff changed their offense for the playoffs...adding in what Nick liked to do and what he was good at...so come playoff time nobody had any tape on the offense they were going to run.

The success Nick had can be attributed to the staff equally as much as to Nick. However,...after teams get a half season of game tape on him then maybe that offense does not flow as well.

maybe it does... maybe Nick broke through a barrier and became a top QB. The reservations are in the unknowns I think...he is a career 60% passer that had a great run
 

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I saw 2 different mocks having us take an tackle at 15. If we spend another 1st round pick on an offensive lineman I'm throat punching someone unless that tackle is a sure fire Johnathan Ogden/Joe Thomas/Anthony Munoz guy. Also, if this happens, it would be the 3rd first round pick of an o-line in a new coaches first draft with Levi Brown(2007) and Jonathan Cooper(2013).
 
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Why would you say that? He's a Superbowl winning QB. He made all the right throws, save one? He took over the team near the end of the season and just marched them right thru the playoffs. Beat a future QB hall off famer who had the game of his life throwing for over 500 yards. And, according to most people on this board, the only bad years he had can be attributed to a certain coach he had.

I don't think I would give up the pick for him, but, I wouldn't "fold the franchise" if they did. (Ducking)
Actually Foles' interception wasn't a terrible throw. Jeffrey had it in his hands but threw it up in the air up for grabs so it wasn't even on Foles.

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I saw 2 different mocks having us take an tackle at 15. If we spend another 1st round pick on an offensive lineman I'm throat punching someone unless that tackle is a sure fire Johnathan Ogden/Joe Thomas/Anthony Munoz guy. Also, if this happens, it would be the 3rd first round pick of an o-line in a new coaches first draft with Levi Brown(2007) and Jonathan Cooper(2013).



If we draft Connor Williams in round 1 I’m going to rip the few hairs I have left out of my head.
 

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before the playoffs last season Nick was a 56% passer in 2017...he was not stellar. The staff changed their offense for the playoffs...adding in what Nick liked to do and what he was good at...so come playoff time nobody had any tape on the offense they were going to run.

The success Nick had can be attributed to the staff equally as much as to Nick. However,...after teams get a half season of game tape on him then maybe that offense does not flow as well.

maybe it does... maybe Nick broke through a barrier and became a top QB. The reservations are in the unknowns I think...he is a career 60% passer that had a great run
Yep, this says it all from my perspective.

You can't sell me on the idea that it was all Fisher's fault when he had his bad year with the Rams - he also wasn't good with the Eagles the year before he was traded. There's a reason he was traded. There's a reason no one was clamoring for him when he became a free agent from KC. He's almost retired once, so you question where his mindset is going to be, knowing he's already made good money and already has a Super Bowl ring.

Too many reasons not to give up the pick - and the cash - that Foles is going to demand.
 
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