2002 Lakers vs. Kings play-offs fixed?

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I don't care what got massive nationwide attention. Lakerfans thought game 6 was a balance game because of how bad game 5 was.

Yes, that's what I said: No one but Laker homers. You remember, I trust, that innumerable neutral observers said that Game 6 was one of the most lopsided games they'd ever seen.

It's convenient for you to dismiss them all as nutjob haters, but that flies in the face of reality. Basically your argument boils down to "Everyone who doesn't agree with me is an idiot, and the proof of their idiocy is that they don't agree with me." No wonder no one takes you seriously.

Yeah, and the league has it in for PHX. Everyone's against us, the Lakers get all the calls blah, blah, blah! Boo hoo!

If you weren't so busy trolling, you'd notice that we're discussing a Lakers-Kings series. I don't even remember what the Suns were doing that year, but I know they were no longer in contention. This has nothing to do with the Suns.

Maybe you can find some games from the '80's to complain about next.

Maybe -- was Donaghy officiating then?
 

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Can't you Laker fans address the topic at hand? Why is it whenever there is an argument against the Lakers, all you guys can do is come up with the lame "zero championships" and "coinflips" retorts. This topic obviously has nothing to do about the Suns--Laker fans are the only ones that seem to be including the Suns in the conversation.
 

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And add replay in certain scenarios so bad calls are exposed. Open it up and be honest, even baseball has huge TV's for the replays in the stadium. No ref wants to be caught blowing calls on that baby.

A problem I can see with looking too closely however is that you could probably call a foul on every play. Well under a microscope, would we ever see a game end?
 

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Donaghy is a sewer rat and now that he is caught wants to take otehrs with him. I am still convicne that game 3 against the Spurs last year was fixed. Basketball is a much easier game for a referee to cahnge an outcome than in football and baseball. I think this is a tip of the iceberg. That game is suspicious. Just watching as a fan it seemsed veryquestionalbe. Of course its hard to tell if a fix is on or if theres just bad officiating.
The best thing that happened to baseball is when all the umpires resigned per their union. That allowed MLB to bring in new umpires and get rid of truly lousy ones. There needs to be a mass firing and bring in new refs from college, NBDL and the CBA. I don't want to hear about lack of experience, There is truly lousy officiating in the NBA
 

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Yeah, and the league has it in for PHX. Everyone's against us, the Lakers get all the calls blah, blah, blah! Boo hoo!

Maybe you can find some games from the '80's to complain about next.

Well let's see this thread started on the topic of a former NBA official, who is going to get in trouble for gambling and in turn fixing games, now saying that there were other officials that were in on the fix as well.

Combine that with the mysterious superstar calls over the years, rules being enforced at different levels for different teams/players, and the fact that numerous things like the lottery has a mysterious veil over it and I think people have every right to question what is going on with the league.

Oh and before you make accusations about the Suns fans saying that the fix is in for just us, learn to read. The accusations were about the LAKERS VS KINGS series from 2002. The Suns were not involved.
 

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Its no shock to me

That game was fixed. We knew it then, but gave them the benefit of the doubt. We knew the Suns Spurs game 3 was fixed, but we gave them the benefit of the doubt.

Where there is smoke, there is Fire

How the Lakers were so good this year I still dont understand.

This is the same team that craped out the last 2 years and with the whole Kobe thing this past offseason, were close to being a joke.But they add Fisher in the offseason and come out this season on Fire, Then they somehow walk into Memphis and hijack Pau Gasol for no hands Brown and A bag of balls.The NBA wanted Boston vs LA this year.

When you watch the NBA, you dont feel like your getting a fair shake if you know what i mean. I dont get that feeling when I watch the NFL,MLB,or the NHL. I hope he exposes the NBA for the fraud I always Thought it was

FIRE DAVID STERN AND ALL HIS LACKIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its time.
 

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Wow. Keep trying to spin it, Mr. Stern....

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-bettingprobe&prov=ap&type=lgns

NEW YORK (AP)—NBA referees, influenced by cozy relationships with league officials, rigged a 2002 playoff series to force it to a revenue-boosting seven games, a former referee at the center of a gambling scandal alleged Tuesday.

Without identifying anyone or naming teams, Tim Donaghy also claimed the NBA routinely encouraged refs to ring up bogus fouls to manipulate results but discouraged them from calling technical fouls on star players to keep them in games and protect ticket sales and television ratings.
Speaking before the start of the NBA finals Game 3 featuring the Los Angeles Lakers and Boston Celtics, NBA commissioner David Stern called the allegations baseless.

“All I can say is that he’s looking for anything that will somehow shorten the sentence, and it’s not going to happen,” Stern said.
The allegations were contained in a letter filed by a lawyer for Donaghy, who pleaded guilty last year to felony charges alleging he took cash payoffs from gamblers and bet on games himself. The 41-year-old Donaghy faces up to 33 months in prison at sentencing on July 14.

“If the NBA wanted a team to succeed, league officials would inform referees that opposing players were getting away with violations,” the letter said. “Referees then would call fouls on certain players, frequently resulting in victory for the opposing team.”

The league called Donaghy’s allegations false and self-serving, saying the scandal was limited to him and two co-defendants, both former high school classmates who also pleaded guilty to gambling charges.

Donaghy’s lawyer has sought to convince a federal judge in Brooklyn that Donaghy, of Bradenton, Fla., deserves more credit for coming forward before he was charged to disclose behind-the-scenes misconduct within the NBA. The letter, filed Monday, suggests prosecutors have hurt Donaghy’s chances for a lesser prison term by downplaying the extent of his cooperation.

Donaghy’s attorney, John Lauro, and prosecutors declined comment.
“He’s a singing, cooperating witness who is trying to get as light a sentence as he can,” Stern said. “He turned on basically all of his colleagues in an attempt to demonstrate that he is not the only one who engaged in criminal activity. The U.S. attorney’s office, the FBI, have fully investigated it, and Mr. Donaghy is the only one who is guilty of a crime.

And he will be sentenced for that crime regardless of the desperate attempts to implicate as many people as he can.”
In one of several allegations of corrupt refereeing, Donaghy said he learned in May 2002 that two referees known as “company men” were working a best-of-seven series in which “Team 5” was leading 3-2. In the sixth game, he alleged the referees purposely ignored personal fouls and called “made-up fouls on Team 5 in order to give additional free throw opportunities for Team 6.”

“Team 6” won the game and came back to win the series, the letter said.
Only the Los Angeles Lakers-Sacramento Kings series went to seven games during the 2002 playoffs. And the Lakers went on to win the championship.

At the time, consumer advocate Ralph Nader and the League of Fans, a sports industry watchdog group, sent a letter to Stern complaining about the officiating in Game 6 of the Western Conference finals.
The Lakers, who beat Sacramento 106-102 in that game in Los Angeles, shot 27 free throws in the final quarter and scored 16 of their last 18 points at the line.
In this April 10, 2007 file ph…
AP - Jun 3, 5:54 pm EDT


The letter also alleged manipulation during a 2005 playoff series.

“Team 3 lost the first two games in the series and Team 3’s owner complained to NBA officials,” the letter said. “Team 3’s owner alleged that referees were letting a Team 4 player get away with illegal screens. NBA Executive Y told Referee Supervisor Z that the referees for that game were to enforce the screening rules strictly against that Team 4 player. … The referees followed the league’s instructions and Team 3 came back from behind to win the series. The NBA benefited from this because it prolonged the series, resulting in more tickets sold and more televised games.”

Donaghy’s letter said that in the first of several meetings with prosecutors and the FBI in New York in 2007, he named names while describing “various examples of improper interactions and relationships between referees and other league employees, such as players, coaches and management.” For example, it said, referees broke NBA rules by hitting up players for autographs, socializing with coaches and accepting meals and merchandise from teams.

“The NBA remains vigilant in protecting the integrity of our game and has fully cooperated with the government at every stage of its investigation,” Richard Buchanan, NBA executive vice president and general counsel, said in a statement. “The only criminal activity uncovered is Mr. Donaghy’s.”
Associated Press Sports Writer Brian Mahoney in Los Angeles contributed to this report.
 

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My stance has always been,this was NOT an isolated incident of corruption.
You'd be naieve to think so.
Have you ever spotted and killed just one cockroach in a home or building....never to spot another?
The NBA will continue to snicker at it's own corruption and bury this .... that's smart business.
Why would Donague risk lying to the Feds at this point?
Disgusting.
 

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The next step is Stern claiming they received "bad intelligence," right? Or is it that they say they refs that fixed the game are now in baseball and we must invade and occupy the league to bring them up to NBA standards?

This story sounds so damn familiar but I cant remember how it ends!
 

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My stance has always been,this was NOT an isolated incident of corruption.
You'd be naieve to think so.
Have you ever spotted and killed just one cockroach in a home or building....never to spot another?
The NBA will continue to snicker at it's own corruption and bury this .... that's smart business.
Why would Donague risk lying to the Feds at this point?
Disgusting.

mojorizen7,

I can tell by your sig your not cool with corruption in any professional sport. :thumbup:
 

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Unfortunately i'm a SUNS fan and a RAMS fan so yeah,you're right...i get pretty fired up about this subject. Nevermind Super Bowl XXXIV and SUNS/SPURS game 3 though......
This is about integrity from the hardcore fan,the casual fan,and the children that grow up with sports.
Steroids,9/11 propoganda,corrupt officials,the farce that boxing has become....it's too much.
 

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I have made a concerted effort to not watch the NBA finals this year in protest to what has become of the NBA. Then I went to Joe's Crab Shack for dinner and they were playing the game there and I was forced to watch bits and pieces of it. Made me very angry to see that the Lakers had about 20 more FT attempts than the Celtics before the 1st half. The roles were reversed in Game 2. Either the refs were overcompensating or this is how the Finals are to be dictated this year.

The morals and ethics of this historic game went out the window when one David Stern took the helm as commissioner.
 

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The next step is Stern claiming they received "bad intelligence," right? Or is it that they say they refs that fixed the game are now in baseball and we must invade and occupy the league to bring them up to NBA standards?

This story sounds so damn familiar but I cant remember how it ends!

If you don't support your commissioner, you're supporting the fixers!
 

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Yes, that's what I said: No one but Laker homers. You remember, I trust, that innumerable neutral observers said that Game 6 was one of the most lopsided games they'd ever seen.

It's convenient for you to dismiss them all as nutjob haters, but that flies in the face of reality. Basically your argument boils down to "Everyone who doesn't agree with me is an idiot, and the proof of their idiocy is that they don't agree with me." No wonder no one takes you seriously.

Except that I didn't say anything of the type. I said Game 5 was poor, and it was. Then Game 6 was blatant. I didn't say anything you claim I did, so get off your teensy little high horse.

Nobody takes you seriously because apparently you can't read or comprehend simple English. Get over your damn self.
 

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I really can't remember in detail what happened in said game, but anyone ever think Tim might be trying to divert blame on someone else? I mean really, the game was iffy but to take his word on a whole series being fixed is moronic.
 

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Donaghy has nothing to gain from releasing this information. He knows he is prison bound for a very long time.
 

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Donaghy has nothing to gain from releasing this information. He knows he is prison bound for a very long time.


Thats the way i see it

Jose Conseco is a dirt bag, but came out with that book to let everyone else know he was not the only dirt bag in MLB.

And you know what.......He was right. I would like to hear what he has to say and how he can back it up.
 

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Thats the way i see it

Jose Conseco is a dirt bag, but came out with that book to let everyone else know he was not the only dirt bag in MLB.

And you know what.......He was right. I would like to hear what he has to say and how he can back it up.

I bet Joey Crawford is busy digging his own grave this evening
 

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I really can't remember in detail what happened in said game, but anyone ever think Tim might be trying to divert blame on someone else? I mean really, the game was iffy but to take his word on a whole series being fixed is moronic.

And to take Jose Conseco's word on who was juicing in baseball would be moronic as well, right?
 

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Nobody takes you seriously because apparently you can't read or comprehend simple English.

Hmm, when you wrote

Lakerfans thought game 6 was a balance game because of how bad game 5 was... Game 6 was blatant, but it was the opposite of game 5

I thought I was comprehending you pretty well. "Balance" and "opposite" imply, well, balance. If you want, you can backtrack now and claim that you meant something else, but that is what you wrote.

Plenty of people take me seriously, sport. I read what's on the screen and I respond accordingly.
 

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Hmm, when you wrote



I thought I was comprehending you pretty well. "Balance" and "opposite" imply, well, balance. If you want, you can backtrack now and claim that you meant something else, but that is what you wrote.

Plenty of people take me seriously, sport. I read what's on the screen and I respond accordingly.

I said Lakerfans thought it was balance, that's a statement on the viewpoint on a fanbase, one I share. One bad game for the kings in game five, one ridiculously bad game in the Lakers favor in game 6. I never said it wasn't. In fact, I said it was blatant. You know what balance is, right? One side balances out the other, right? Do you recall I said Game 6 was blatant? You seem to not see that point. I'm fully aware that it was bad. I even said it was fishy on the ft parade in the fourth quarter in another post. If you want, you can backtrack now and try a semantics tactic..again...but you aren't comprehending "pretty well."

Plenty of people take me seriously too, tiger. I read what's on the screen and I respond accordingly. I'm not the one here taking what someone said and leaving out the fact that the word blatant was used. That would be you, sport.
 

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I said Lakerfans thought it was balance, that's a statement on the viewpoint on a fanbase, one I share. One bad game for the kings in game five, one ridiculously bad game in the Lakers favor in game 6. I never said it wasn't. In fact, I said it was blatant. You know what balance is, right? One side balances out the other, right?

So were the games comparably bad or not? You can't go two sentences without contradicting yourself. On the one hand you're trying to hold a thin line between "bad" and "ridiculously bad" (or "blatant," whichever), but on the other hand you're saying that these two bad games balance each other out. If one is worse than the other, how can they balance each other out? You can't even decide which point to make, because you're torn between the one that fits your argument and the one that isn't laughably false.

Look, enjoy your 38 titles, or whatever the number is. Most of them are probably legitimate. You're still miles ahead of Suns fans, which is all that really matters, right? I'd be upset too if the evidence started to pile up that the team I support, through no fault of their own, benefited from corruption. But in the final analysis, all that matters is who hangs the banner. Read your own signature and let that be your cloak of protection.

Just don't blame people for being interested in the facts once they finally start to come out.
 
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