2002 Lakers vs. Kings play-offs fixed?

[Bigdez22]

So were the games comparably bad or not? You can't go two sentences without contradicting yourself. On the one hand you're trying to hold a thin line between "bad" and "ridiculously bad" (or "blatant," whichever), but on the other hand you're saying that these two bad games balance each other out. If one is worse than the other, how can they balance each other out? You can't even decide which point to make, because you're torn between the one that fits your argument and the one that isn't laughably false.

Look, enjoy your 38 titles, or whatever the number is. Most of them are probably legitimate. You're still miles ahead of Suns fans, which is all that really matters, right? I'd be upset too if the evidence started to pile up that the team I support, through no fault of their own, benefited from corruption. But in the final analysis, all that matters is who hangs the banner. Read your own signature and let that be your cloak of protection.

Just don't blame people for being interested in the facts once they finally start to come out.

:notworthy

 

[WuRaider]

Check out the poll:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/8231176?MSNHPHCP&GT1=39002

 

[D-Dogg]

So were the games comparably bad or not?

No, they were not. Game 6 was "blatant." Are you STILL not figuring this out? Really? WTF? Game 6 was over the line of reason. I guess you need a dictionary version of "blatant." Ok, I guess. Whatever floats your boat.

Blatant = "completely obvious, conspicuous, or obtrusive especially in a crass or offensive manner "

So, what was your argument again???

Oh, let's carry on with your idiocy:

You can't go two sentences without contradicting yourself. On the one hand you're trying to hold a thin line between "bad" and "ridiculously bad" (or "blatant," whichever), but on the other hand you're saying that these two bad games balance each other out. If one is worse than the other, how can they balance each other out? You can't even decide which point to make, because you're torn between the one that fits your argument and the one that isn't laughably false.

Again, I guess I'll have to go with a dictionary for you, since you are acting like a third grader in this thread.

Balance = "a counterbalancing weight, force, or influence

So, when one team wins a game on bad reffing, and the other wins the next game on bad reffing, is that not "balance?" I mean, come on e...the degree of influence is completely irrelevant. 1 game = 1 game on a scale. If you are trying poorly to argue that the calls were inbalanced over the two games, I agree. But that doesn't matter. I've never seen a series where two games equal one. WTF are you going on about, really? You are spinning hard here. Your posts are verging on embarrassing for you. It is pretty freaking clear what I am saying. Why you keep trying to make it more than it is just shows you are being obtuse in this. Just stop already. One game called poorly for one team + one game called poorly for the other = balance. The degree of the crappy calls are completely irrelevant, unless the NBA carries calls over from one game to the next, which they don't. If they did, Shaq wouldn't play in game 6 since he fouled out in game 5, and Kobe would be out quickly since he had 5 in game 5.

Do you even have clue ONE what you are trying to argue? I don't think so.

Look, enjoy your 38 titles, or whatever the number is. Most of them are probably legitimate. You're still miles ahead of Suns fans, which is all that really matters, right? I'd be upset too if the evidence started to pile up that the team I support, through no fault of their own, benefited from corruption. But in the final analysis, all that matters is who hangs the banner. Read your own signature and let that be your cloak of protection.

Uhm, why bring up the Suns? I'm not. do you think that I don't realize this kinda taints the 2002 title? Why would you think that? You are way off the map on this one, and are so deep in your hole of my signature that you don't even know which way to dig your way out. You lose, sport.

Just don't blame people for being interested in the facts once they finally start to come out.

And when did I do this? Please, oh super message board dude, point out the posts where I said that people shouldn't be interested in this potentially damaging accusation to the fabric of the NBA. Quick. Do it! DO IT! I freaking dare you. You have nothing to offer, and I really don't know why you are even calling me, of all people, out on this. Given my statements on this thread, you are delusional. I don't even know if you are following you own logic here. Is your hatred of the Lakers coloring your attack on me, because I'm a Laker fan and I must conform to your version of what Lakerfans must believe? If so, you are sorely mistaken. If this is your logic on other issues, it is a wonder if anyone takes you seriously. Wow. Just wow.

 

[D-Dogg]

:notworthy

Congratulations...you have just earned yourself an all expense paid trip to "Reading Comprehension is Cool" summer camp so you can bone up on what is reality and what is fiction. Because obviously, you have no freaking clue. You've got a voucher for a second session as well, since your "blatant" inability to figure it out the first time means you will likely need a repeat class.

 

[D-Dogg]

BTW e, it is ok to admit you were wrong and jumped the gun. It happens. I'm sure all the people who "take you seriously" will forgive your faux pau and be all on your junk in future debates when you have a leg to stand on. So don't worry about just saying the four magic words: "Sorry, I was wrong."

Here's to you manning up. Sometime this century, perhaps.

 

[Griffin]

So, when one team wins a game on bad reffing, and the other wins the next game on bad reffing, is that not "balance?" I mean, come on e...the degree of influence is completely irrelevant. 1 game = 1 game on a scale.

Hold on now. There is a difference between losing a game because of poor officiating, and losing a game because the refs were instructed by league office to purposely make calls in favor of one team, if that is indeed what happened. Those two do not "balance" out, since either team has a realistic chance to win the former, but only one team the latter.

So are you implying that game 5 was fixed by the NBA as well, but in favor of the Kings? But if that were the case, wouldn't Donaghy likely know about that too? And if so, why didn't he reveal that, seeing how it would help his cause even more?

 

[justAndy]

Check out the poll:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/8231176?MSNHPHCP&GT1=39002

by a 4 to 1 margin - YES.
As a Suns fan I will admit that it seemed the '93 run to the finals was greased by some questionable calls favoring the Suns - I understand Donald's feelings...

 

[elindholm]

So, when one team wins a game on bad reffing, and the other wins the next game on bad reffing, is that not "balance?" I mean, come on e...the degree of influence is completely irrelevant. 1 game = 1 game on a scale. If you are trying poorly to argue that the calls were inbalanced over the two games, I agree. But that doesn't matter.

Well, I simply disagree. Basically you're saying that once it is established that the Kings got better calls in Game 5, any amount of favoritism to the Lakers in Game 6 constitutes "balance." Why even play the game then?

By your argument, it would have been "balanced" for the league to say, "You know, we reviewed the tape, and the officials made several questionable calls that helped Sacramento. Therefore, we have decided to declare the Los Angeles the winner of Game 6 by forfeit, and we will now proceed with Game 7." How would that be different from what actually happened, except by degree? You're saying that "some bad calls" in Game 5 balance "blatant, legendary, headline-grabbing bias" in Game 6. So why not go the whole way?

One game called poorly for one team + one game called poorly for the other = balance. The degree of the crappy calls are completely irrelevant

You can state this ten more times and I will still disagree with you every time, as will most unbiased fans of the league.

So don't worry about just saying the four magic words: "Sorry, I was wrong."

Please, this tired old saw? You should be above that. Didn't you use to be D-Dogg? I've respected your posts for years.

I have no problem admitting I am wrong when I am wrong. This time I am not.

 

[D-Dogg]

e, you are just being obtuse about this. I can't continue arguing something if you are just going to misconstrue what I'm saying.

Take care, man.

 

[TucsonDevil]

e, you are just being obtuse about this. I can't continue arguing something if you are just going to misconstrue what I'm saying.

Take care, man.

Donald, I thought we were supposed to leave 'personal attacks' in the Smack Forum? Your response to me with my 'Kobe' response was out of line, and now I see you are doing the same to others. If you have an issue with others disagreeing with you, go to a Basketball Forum that was designed for Lakers' fans. Stop coming to a Suns' forum only to call people idiots based on their contrary beliefs.

As far as the 2002 Playoffs, I think it falls in line with a long list of NBA inconsistencies, that are now revealed to be 'consistent' = Rig the league in favor of ratings/preferred team, when feasible to do so. Officiating is just one example.

 

[Folster]

It's about time the moderator of this Lakers board ban all of these Suns trolls. Laker fans can't have a serious discussion.

 

[Renz]

Donaghy has nothing to gain from releasing this information. He knows he is prison bound for a very long time.

Donaghy has nothing to lose and everything to gain from throwing the NBA under the bus. The guy has already lost his job, his wife, he's broke. What does he have to lose by saying, "Oh, the league is crooked!"?

Also, unlike Canseco, no one can prove or disprove any of his allegations. Canseco had failed drug tests to back up his claims. Unless some ref comes out and says, "I fixed games" then Donaghy can say whatever he wants and try to take the focus off of his wrongdoing. It's working too.

It's also funny that "the league fixed the 2002 playoffs". The game in question was Game 6. Sacramento had Game 7 at home and they completely gagged. The Queens shot 3/25 from three-point-range and missed 15 FT's. Oh, but Joey Crawford is to blame! LOL!

 

[Renz]

Check out the poll:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/8231176?MSNHPHCP&GT1=39002

80% of people believe in UFO's, too. The tin foil hat crowd who thinks the league is fixed are all fans of teams that can't get it done in the playoffs.

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[D-Dogg]

Donald, I thought we were supposed to leave 'personal attacks' in the Smack Forum? Your response to me with my 'Kobe' response was out of line, and now I see you are doing the same to others. If you have an issue with others disagreeing with you, go to a Basketball Forum that was designed for Lakers' fans. Stop coming to a Suns' forum only to call people idiots based on their contrary beliefs.

As far as the 2002 Playoffs, I think it falls in line with a long list of NBA inconsistencies, that are now revealed to be 'consistent' = Rig the league in favor of ratings/preferred team, when feasible to do so. Officiating is just one example.

Sorry dude, I don't really care for "rape is funny joke material" people. Your post was stupid and offensive, and shows you don't really even know the details of the actual event, since you saw "butt" and decided to make a "funny" about it.

You don't have anything to say on the conversation between e and me, other than to whine about my response to you in another thread. Dude, leave it in that thread. And don't quote something from me dropping an argument and then try to twist it as being anything more than it is.

 

[ajcardfan]

80% of people believe in UFO's, too. The tin foil hat crowd who thinks the league is fixed are all fans of teams that can't get it done in the playoffs.

You can laugh it off all you want, but the NBA's image of being "fixed" is real. It hurts the league. I was talking to a student after class last night, and said I wanted to get home to watch the game. He said, "What for? You know the Lakers will get all the calls they need to not go down 3-0."


Then, when have Scott Pollard and Van Gundy adding smoke around both claims, that REALLY doesn't help.

 

[D-Dogg]

It's about time the moderator of this Lakers board ban all of these Suns trolls. Laker fans can't have a serious discussion.

It is about time Suns fans stop whining about Laker fans posting in threads Suns fans post that talk about the Lakers.

 

[Gee!]

It is about time Suns fans stop whining about Laker fans posting in threads Suns fans post that talk about the Lakers.

Its about time the lakers fans stop whining about what Suns fans whine about on a Suns board..

 

[Renz]

You can laugh it off all you want, but the NBA's image of being "fixed" is real. It hurts the league. I was talking to a student after class last night, and said I wanted to get home to watch the game. He said, "What for? You know the Lakers will get all the calls they need to not go down 3-0."

So what's the league supposed to do? A crooked ref says, "Those games were fixed". Okay. Again, it can't be proven or disproven. It's the cry of a desperate man, on his way to jail.

All it does is bring all the UFO/JFK/sports-is-fixed conspiracy nuts up out of the basement.

 

[ajcardfan]

So what's the league supposed to do? A crooked ref says, "Those games were fixed". Okay. Again, it can't be proven or disproven. It's the cry of a desperate man, on his way to jail.

All it does is bring all the UFO/JFK/sports-is-fixed conspiracy nuts up out of the basement.

The league can't do anything. Officiating is too subjective. Which, unfortunately, will keep the league forever, and securely, third-tier among the pro sports. In fact, the NBA is steadily losing ground among basketball fans to the NCAA (even with it's problems). March Madness just gets bigger and bigger, while the NBA has been mired in apathy about it's playoffs. This matchup has helped, but only because it reminds people of the glory days of the 80s. Not what is actually on the floor now.

 

[elindholm]

Sacramento had Game 7 at home and they completely gagged. The Queens shot 3/25 from three-point-range and missed 15 FT's.

I knew someone would bring that up. Someone always does. Rick Fox, fine sportsman that he is, beat you to it (it's on hoopshype this morning).

In my opinion, the team that outplays its opponent for six games has earned the right to cough it up in Game 7 and still win the series. Otherwise, the first six games have no meaning. The argument reduces to saying that there is no advantage to building up a big lead, because the trailing team can always press the "game reset" button and wager the entire outcome on one play.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

This thread is what's wrong with humanity.

 

[nowagimp]

I really can't remember in detail what happened in said game, but anyone ever think Tim might be trying to divert blame on someone else? I mean really, the game was iffy but to take his word on a whole series being fixed is moronic.

27 fouls shots in the final quarter, 16/18 of the final laker points were scored from the line. Wake up, just cause your man shaq wont is no excuse to be blind. Pinning the NBA's shenanagins on Donaghy is weak. The NBA has done nothing illegal, no kidding, rigging sporting events is perfectly legal, just ask the WWF, WBF, WBA.

 

[Cheesewater]

All it does is bring all the UFO/JFK/sports-is-fixed conspiracy nuts up out of the basement.

I'm going to bet that this is what you would have said if someone suggested a ref was betting on games before Donaghy was exposed. Sometimes there IS fire behind the smoke, yes?

 

[nowagimp]

So what's the league supposed to do? A crooked ref says, "Those games were fixed". Okay. Again, it can't be proven or disproven. It's the cry of a desperate man, on his way to jail.

All it does is bring all the UFO/JFK/sports-is-fixed conspiracy nuts up out of the basement.

Yeah and nixon didnt tape anything, it was haldeman who did it all. And the Enron scandal was really one guy trying to get out of jail time, every one else knew nothing about it. And the arthur andersen scandal was one guy. And ollie north was the only one who knew about iran contra. they do this all the time, make it sound like one guy.

Sounds pretty stupid doesnt it? Listen to yourself you sound just like it.

 

[Renz]

Yeah and nixon didnt tape anything, it was haldeman who did it all. And the Enron scandal was really one guy trying to get out of jail time, every one else knew nothing about it. And the arthur andersen scandal was one guy. And ollie north was the only one who knew about iran contra. they do this all the time, make it sound like one guy.

Sounds pretty stupid doesnt it? Listen to yourself you sound just like it.

Look up the definition of "strawman" and it describes your argument pretty well. In all the cases you cited, there was "evidence" to back up the charges. What evidence does Donaghy have to back up his claims? That's right, none.

That's the genius of his accusations. He doesn't have to back them up and the gullible, tinfoil hat brigade, such as yourself, will swallow his story hook, line and sinker.