2007 Cardinals: The Hiring Process Is A Joke

[red desert]

IMO, everyone knew Green was gone early-on. The Cardinals should have already been looking at a short list of candidates if the FO knew what they were doing. Continuing to interview a long list of candidates just makes me think they they do not know what they are doing... like hire a competent HC. Again, it all starts with ownership.

I also hope I am very, very wrong.

 

[red desert]

Here is my problem. I wouldn't care if the Cards interviewed 10 guys or 5 guys 2 times each as long I thought they knew what they were doing. However, seeing who is in charge of the FO I have my doubts. Also, if I knew their motivation wasn't more about not relenting too much money or power to the next HC.

If this is really about getting the best available coach then great and all the more power to them. However, a tiger can't change it's stripes and MB's idea of a good fit goes way beyond coaching reasons IMO. I hope I am wrong.

You too get a:

 

[JeffGollin]

Some of us have the patience of an ant on an apple. Relax gentlemen. Let's try to make the right choice this time.

The voice of reason.

 

[BigRedArk]

Maybe they really want Marty Schottenheimer and are waiting to see if and how soon he gets fired from the Chargers? In the meantime they are interviewing possible alternatives in case he is retained as HC for them? It sounds as if he may be fired at the end of the season win or lose.

 

[red desert]

Maybe they really want Marty Schottenheimer and are waiting to see if and how soon he gets fired from the Chargers? In the meantime they are interviewing possible alternatives in case he is retained as HC for them? It sounds as if he may be fired at the end of the season win or lose.

I never thought of that. I, unlike many, think Marty could do good things here.

 

[BigRedArk]

I never thought of that. I, unlike many, think Marty could do good things here.

Yeah I think he would be a good choice too. It's a longshot that that is what they are doing but hey stranger things have happened especially here in Football Cardinal land!

 

[Gambit]

Maybe they really want Marty Schottenheimer and are waiting to see if and how soon he gets fired from the Chargers? In the meantime they are interviewing possible alternatives in case he is retained as HC for them? It sounds as if he may be fired at the end of the season win or lose.

Does Marty have interest in the job? Would they be allowed to discuss that matter with him while he is HC at the Bolts?

 

[Matt L]

The Cardinals already did that in 2000 and it produced an 11 game run of disasters unequaled since the days in Chicago. 1-10 and just hammered in almost every game, out scored 305 to 120!. The terrible play didn't really end until halfway through the following season.

So it could be that history kept them from trying it again.

As for the Cardinal front office they have demonstrated to me over the course of many years that they are either clueless or hopelessly jinxed and, unlike some posters, they're going to have to show me over a long period of time that things have changed before I'll start believing that the light has suddenly switched on at Hardy and Warner.

The Cardinals are like a local dive where the owner is a nice guy and keeps hiring new managers and bartenders to try to improve the place but it keeps deteriorating back into a dive with multiple brawls every weekend. I keep going because I have friends who hang out there and they serve my favorite beer on tap and keep hoping they'll finally hire Patrick Swayze.

I know that they did this with Mcginnis and that is the point. Looking back, there were only two reasons to retain Dave Mcginnis as the head coach; He was a really nice guy and it saved a LOT of money. All they really did was fired the head coach, Mcginnis kept his entire staff on the defensive side, found an offensive coordinator from somewhere on the cheap and lead the team to three years of disastrous football.

If they were going to learn from that mistake and were going to fire Denny Green anyways, why not let him go at the bye week, give Pendy a week to gather the troops, implement his plan as coach and give the man a chance to lead the team. Its been stated over and over on this board that Dennis Green never called any plays, he obviously wasn't in charge of the defense. All Pendergrass would have done was made decisions on two point conversions, when to go for it on fourth down, and which plays to challenge. I believe that those eight games could have been used to see what Pendy has to offer as a head coach. We were 1-7 at the time, there wasn't any worse that we could have done. All I am saying is that after the second half of the season the FO could have made their decision on Pendergrass. In all likelihood, he would have failed and we would have the number one pick in the draft. While that would stink for the season, we finished with the fifth pick in the draft so we were really not that far off. I think the whole point of having the interim coach would be to see what that person has as a coach.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

For once i agree with Mitch's post(except for the whole Norm Chow thing). The Cards now seem to be scrambling around and not sure who they want and it will probably come down to who will work the cheapest. The funniest thing in Mitch's post was when he was going through the BB,ML, RG conversation and the last thing he did was have RG say "yes sir" to Mr. B.

 

[BigRedArk]

Does Marty have interest in the job? Would they be allowed to discuss that matter with him while he is HC at the Bolts?

I am not aware that he is actually interested in the job. I have heard that regardless of what happens to the Chargers in this playoff season he still wants to coach at least 4 and maybe even 5 more years in the NFL.

I am pretty sure that no team can talk to him about a new job until he resigns or is fired because that would be tampering. Rumor has it that the GM of the Chargers doesn't like him nor does he even talk to him. In addition rumor has it that the owner of the Bolts, Alex Spanos I believe is his name, is eager for him to go as well. Lots of rumors and if's here. A longshot chance as I said before but hey the season is done for us and it is fun to speculate!

 

[Gambit]

I am not aware that he is actually interested in the job. I have heard that regardless of what happens to the Chargers in this playoff season he still wants to coach at least 4 and maybe even 5 more years in the NFL.

I am pretty sure that no team can talk to him about a new job until he resigns or is fired because that would be tampering. Rumor has it that the GM of the Chargers doesn't like him nor does he even talk to him. In addition rumor has it that the owner of the Bolts, Alex Spanos I believe is his name, is eager for him to go as well. Lots of rumors and if's here. A longshot chance as I said before but hey the season is done for us and it is fun to speculate!

Yup. I wonder if Marty did, um, bolt, if Cameron would get the nod, to have some continuity.

 

[az jam]

Mitch, very disappointed in your board message. I'm a retired executieve and the most important thing I felt in my business career was making the right decision on my hires especially hiring senior managers. Nothing can impact an organization more negatively is to hire the wrong manager. It can set an organization back several years. I realize that in the NFL you can't take your time as much as you can in the business world but to rush that decision can have tremendous negative consequences. The process of interviewing many qualified candidates and haveing additional inteviews for a short list is the process followed by every major corporation including professional sports. The Rooney rule requires owners to be involved in the hiring process of minorities and Mr B has been on all the interviews. It's also his team and this makes sense. Keeping the assistant coaches that are not Denny's guys and that are under contract for the new coach to interview also makes sense. Graves has said the new coach will make the final decison which I belive. In my business career I was involved with acquiring companies. We always put our guy in to run the company and let him decide which mangers he wanted to keep or eliminate. The Cards are doing the same.

Mitch, you know that I do respect your opinion but I differ with you on this as I really like the process that the Cards have implemented.

 

[Scott MS]

I disagree with this thread. The only team that has already hired was Atlanta, and what a lame choice that was.

Cards should do their due diligence and find the right guy who meets all their requirements. Unfortunately, the requirements include keeping several of the existing coaches and making a smaller salary that other NFL coaches. This is reality and this is the Cardinals.

 

[CardinalChris]

I'd rather not hire like Atlanta and take the guy with the name. I'd also rather not hire a guy from within just because we know him. What does that mean? As a hiring manager, it means lengthly interviews, and several of them. The reports of the staff being retained are silly. From day one they said the new staff would have the opportunity to judge the staff when hired. But we hear a rumor about Chow and assume the opposite? Could it be that the factors listed on this board about Chow have the team nervous about handing over the team to him? No, it must the Cardinals, could be Chow. I'll save judgment until we hire. So far we've missed out on Petrino, and I'm ok with that.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

What's wrong with what Atlanta did? They knew who they wanted and went and got him. There situation is most similar to the Cards' because i'm sure Arthur Blank knew about 10 minutes after that Mora interview that he was going to fire him and had time to decide who he wanted in the interim.

 

[CardinalChris]

Nothing is wrong with it, but running out to hire a "name" guy just blew up in AZ's face, so why repeat it. Also, the recent track record of college guys coaching in the pros has NOT been good.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Nothing is wrong with it, but running out to hire a "name" guy just blew up in AZ's face, so why repeat it. Also, the recent track record of college guys coaching in the pros has NOT been good.

I'm not saying it was a good hire. I just like the process they used.They targeted their guy and went and got him.

 

[CardinalChris]

I'm not saying it was a good hire. I just like the process they used.They targeted their guy and went and got him.

Yes, and that's fine, but having hired dozens of employees it is not always the best choice. Often a candidate with experience looks great, you talk and just don't click. I've hired inexperienced over experienced before, even going against my expectations before the interviews. It is dangerous, especially in this game to make the wrong choice, and targeting a guy can lead to tunnel vision, missing a better candidate.

 

[john h]

Somewhere in all of this, Big is going to commit a false start, and the Cards will be forced to hire Clancy or someone...

They must like our assistant coaches/coordinatiors so much they might just as well make one them the head coach. They would then have the problem of deciding which one would make the best coach. We could even start the interview process all over again. These guy must never have run a for profit business in their lives. Looks like moe,joe, and curly are in charge of things.

 

[lobo]

For once i agree with Mitch's post(except for the whole Norm Chow thing). The Cards now seem to be scrambling around and not sure who they want


and you know this because....(fill in the blank) did some "source" share that with you???

why don't you fill in the blanks on the following while you are at it
"the cardinals did the following to prove they are scrambling around and not sure what they want (use as many words as you need to)

 

[john h]

Some of us have the patience of an ant on an apple.

Relax gentlemen. Let's try to make the right choice this time.

Does it really take 3 interview to make this kind of decision? Will that make it a better decision? I think not. All it does is cut down on the field of available choices as time goes by.

 

[Evil Ash]

Does it really take 3 interview to make this kind of decision? Will that make it a better decision? I think not. All it does is cut down on the field of available choices as time goes by.

First, they only appear to be doing a 2nd set of interviews with certain candidates. That is typical procedure with most companies

Next, the only person that we've lost out on is Petrino and we had no interest in him. The Dolphins have a longer list of candidates then we do.

 

[lobo]

The voice of reason.

don't hold out too much hope for the request...it appears a number of us like to drive ourselves a bit nuts, making up stories...listening to "unnamed team and league sources" etc etc...i believe they are handling this search in a very well planned manner...regardless if you like the choices on the buffet.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

For once i agree with Mitch's post(except for the whole Norm Chow thing). The Cards now seem to be scrambling around and not sure who they want


and you know this because....(fill in the blank) did some "source" share that with you???

why don't you fill in the blanks on the following while you are at it
"the cardinals did the following to prove they are scrambling around and not sure what they want (use as many words as you need to)

Well, when Graves says,YESTERDAY, that the coach will come from their new "short list" of candidates and that there will be no surprises then is bringing in Chan Gailey out of nowhere for an interview on Saturday tell me they are scrambling around. Why wasn't Gailey interviewed initially if they are so prepared? Is that enough words and enough blanks filled in?

 

[conraddobler]

This is exactly where bumbling ownership shows up, the hiring of coaches.

With the salary cap and a guy with rudimentary knowledge of contracts and the cap you can spend your money that is really pre allotted and look like a reasonably normal operation.

Coaches salaries aren't covered under the cap, winning teams have chosen to blow out the budget in this area because it gives them a competitive advantage.

This is where our tightwad side will always continue to show.

If the rumors were true we balked at paying THE guy they picked over LESS money than another team paid a college coach with zero NFL HC experience. I don't think Sherman is worth less than 4 mil a year in todays NFL, he's worth that, to not know that is about the range he'd ask for is stupid, it's stingy and stupid.

Not that I just have to have Sherman that's not the point, the point is that it appears that may have been the sticking point, if not then fine if it was then this teams ownership is beyond stupid.