2007 Cardinals: The Hiring Process Is A Joke

[BigRedArk]

don't hold out too much hope for the request...it appears a number of us like to drive ourselves a bit nuts, making up stories...listening to "unnamed team and league sources" etc etc...i believe they are handling this search in a very well planned manner...regardless if you like the choices on the buffet.

It's ok to have a lil' fun with it too though. Heck we never win anything we as true blue fans may as well try to "will" them to make a choice we think could be the one to fix this mess. It doesn't hurt nor does it cost anything.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

This is exactly where bumbling ownership shows up, the hiring of coaches.

With the salary cap and a guy with rudimentary knowledge of contracts and the cap you can spend your money that is really pre allotted and look like a reasonably normal operation.

Coaches salaries aren't covered under the cap, winning teams have chosen to blow out the budget in this area because it gives them a competitive advantage.

This is where our tightwad side will always continue to show.

If the rumors were true we balked at paying THE guy they picked over LESS money than another team paid a college coach with zero NFL HC experience. I don't think Sherman is worth less than 4 mil a year in todays NFL, he's worth that, to not know that is about the range he'd ask for is stupid, it's stingy and stupid.

Not that I just have to have Sherman that's not the point, the point is that it appears that may have been the sticking point, if not then fine if it was then this teams ownership is beyond stupid.

Well said. And next year Cowher is going to blow up the coaching salary scale when gets about 7-8 million a year from Dallas,or wherever he ends up.

 

[conraddobler]

When a team sucks as bad as we have, you fire everyone, the first sign we have a bunch of morons running the show was this on again off again we want to keep the assistants crap.

I'm fine with retaining their rights and then leaving them to fend for themselves in an interview, but by interviewing a guy with an abysmaly ranked defense you're telegraphing that you think the guy is worth keeping.

To me you can't mesh that one thing with rational thought.

This team is fubar'd, it some weird warp of fledgling competence wraped up in time honored stupidity and topped of with indecision born of idiocy.

I said that this team needed a real GM, a GM in charge of everything, when big daddy old man is still in the process, it's a bad process case freaking closed.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Look at how long the staff before DG was around and there was not a good coach amongst them. Joe Greene may have been the worst coach in the entire NFL and he was around forever. Marmie was horrible also.

 

[Redheart]

I never did get this "slay the whole staff" thing. No one in the business world would do such a thing. Evaluate what you got and then decide. Pretty obvious.

 

[D-Dogg]

Well, when Graves says,YESTERDAY, that the coach will come from their new "short list" of candidates and that there will be no surprises then is bringing in Chan Gailey out of nowhere for an interview on Saturday tell me they are scrambling around. Why wasn't Gailey interviewed initially if they are so prepared? Is that enough words and enough blanks filled in?

CHAN GAILEY ISN'T BEING INTERVIEWED!!!!

KTAR messed up...they obviously misread that Gailey would be interviewed on Saturday by the Steelers and reported it as the Cards. Gailey can't be in two cities at once, and the multiple national media reports say he is interviewing with Rooney and company tomorrow. KTAR messed up, and now are no longer reporting their idiotic false news.

 

[ajcardfan]

I never did get this "slay the whole staff" thing. No one in the business world would do such a thing. Evaluate what you got and then decide. Pretty obvious.

The NFL is it's own world though. So much of being successful is based on raw emotion and attitude. It's "real world" enlarged to cartoonish proportions. It's like when people try to compare schools to businesses. The "input" into the respective products is so different, the analogy is badly flawed.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

CHAN GAILEY ISN'T BEING INTERVIEWED!!!!

KTAR messed up...they obviously misread that Gailey would be interviewed on Saturday by the Steelers and reported it as the Cards. Gailey can't be in two cities at once, and the multiple national media reports say he is interviewing with Rooney and company tomorrow. KTAR messed up, and now are no longer reporting their idiotic false news.

Well it's still messed up .

 

[D-Dogg]

Well it's still messed up .

Whew, I'm glad you saw it. KTAR really pissed me off with this report. Shoddy reporting.

 

[40yearfan]

IMO, everyone knew Green was gone early-on. The Cardinals should have already been looking at a short list of candidates if the FO knew what they were doing. Continuing to interview a long list of candidates just makes me think they they do not know what they are doing... like hire a competent HC. Again, it all starts with ownership.

I also hope I am very, very wrong.

I've been in business for over 40 years. I just do not understand this type of thinking. Why would you limit yourself when hiring someone who is going to be steering your $400 Million Dollar vessel? There is only 32 of these jobs available with probably 100 people who could handle a job like this. To say that you are only going to look at 3 of those people is ridiculous. Truthfully, you should look at all 100 instead of 10 or 12 and I do believe the Cards started out with that number and culled it down before they started the process in earnest.

Also, why would you start eliminating candidates before you know for sure what candidates would be available? You can make preparations in advance, but you can't have a truly accurate list until the time frame arrives to make your choice. Who knew what coaches would be cut or would call it quits?

 

[Totally_Red]

I've been in business for over 40 years. I just do not understand this type of thinking. Why would you limit yourself when hiring someone who is going to be steering your $400 Million Dollar vessel? There is only 32 of these jobs available with probably 100 people who could handle a job like this. To say that you are only going to look at 3 of those people is ridiculous. Truthfully, you should look at all 100 instead of 10 or 12 and I do believe the Cards started out with that number and culled it down before they started the process in earnest.

Also, why would you start eliminating candidates before you know for sure what candidates would be available? You can make preparations in advance, but you can't have a truly accurate list until the time frame arrives to make your choice. Who knew what coaches would be cut or would call it quits?

Also considering that you have to formally ASK permission of their current employers to contact them, you can't really be ABSOLUTELY certain of their availability to you until you get that permission. And there is the possibility that they might not want to come to Arizona, that's certainly been the case with Oakland. It does appear most of management's choices have interest, but there was certainly no guarantee of that at mid-season.

 

[WildBB]

First of all, I agree with Skkorp, I haven't laughed so hard and so long as I did reading yesterday's posts. You all were hilarious!

Not as hilarious as this. Let them go through with the process. Some of the better candidates won't even really be fully available to them until their team is out of the playoffs.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

When a team sucks as bad as we have, you fire everyone, the first sign we have a bunch of morons running the show was this on again off again we want to keep the assistants crap.

I'm fine with retaining their rights and then leaving them to fend for themselves in an interview, but by interviewing a guy with an abysmaly ranked defense you're telegraphing that you think the guy is worth keeping.

To me you can't mesh that one thing with rational thought.

This team is fubar'd, it some weird warp of fledgling competence wraped up in time honored stupidity and topped of with indecision born of idiocy.

I said that this team needed a real GM, a GM in charge of everything, when big daddy old man is still in the process, it's a bad process case freaking closed.

Agreed that IF Bill B is substantially and authoritatively involved in the final decision, it's probably a bad thing.

The problem with your rant is that you have it written in stone that that this is true.

It might be. But it also might not be. We don't know for sure, and speculation and rumors are both running unchecked.

It sucks that we don't know, but it's probably best not to get yourself worked up over something you're not for sure about.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Agreed that IF Bill B is substantially involved, it's probably a bad thing. Also, demanding a prospective coach retain a questionable DC is also a bad thing.

The problem with your rant is that you have it written in stone that both of these things are true.

They might be. But they also might not be. We don't know for sure, and speculation and rumors are both running unchecked.

It sucks that we don't know, but it's probably best not to get yourself worked up over something you're not for sure about.

I has not been reported ANYWHERE that the coaches that were retained are being forced on any new head coach.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

I has not been reported ANYWHERE that the coaches that were retained are being forced on any new head coach.

Okay, fair enough.

Let no one say the Crimson Warrior is not fair and balanced.

 

[Duckjake]

I've been in business for over 40 years. I just do not understand this type of thinking.

I don't understand the type of thinking that believes a group that hasn't picked the right coach since 1973 could become experts at the process overnight.

 

[conraddobler]

I don't understand the type of thinking that believes a group that hasn't picked the right coach since 1973 could become experts at the process overnight.

They have learned obviously and are now quite good at the whole process

 

[Cardiac]

Nidan...I understand your point of view...but, Rivera could have been on the three man list to begin with...

And what you haven't addressed is the issue of the retained assistant coaches and how that hampers the process.

You take a candidate like Norm Chow...what you see is what you get...the guy has helped produce a string of trophies wherever he has been...he has the Midas touch with QBs and offenses...what's to refute about that? How his track record AND, better yet, his relationship with Matt Leinart wouldn't make him a leading candidate and a great choice for the prospects of this program, is beyond any reason I can think of...sure, he's 60 and has never been a head coach, but 60 is young these days...and all but one of the Cardinals' candidates have never been an NFL head coach either. With all Chow's experience, there's no question in my mind whether he would know what it takes to be a great head coach.

Chow = Norv Turner ?????? Great OC who has the Midas tough with QB's but sucks as a HC? Not saying this is the case, I guess that's why you interview several candidates.

 

[40yearfan]

They have learned obviously and are now quite good at the whole process

So since they will botch it up anyway, they might as well just hire the first guy to come along and save us all this frustration?

 

[Mitch]

Chow = Norv Turner ?????? Great OC who has the Midas tough with QB's but sucks as a HC? Not saying this is the case, I guess that's why you interview several candidates.

Norv Turner is a quirky coach who never quite seems on the same page as his QB. Even in his heyday in Dallas, Troy Aikman always seemed at odds with Turner.

Norm Chow strikes me as a completely different kind of coach...and I think, based on watching his offenses in action that he has a remarkable ability to foster his QBs growth, confidence and comfort level while keeping everyone in the offense on the same page. What shouldn't be overlooked is Chow's penchant for establishing the run (people tend to think he's a mere passing game guru)...but look at what he did with Travis Henry this past year in Tennessee. Henry put up some impressive numbers...270/1211, 4.5 ypc, 7 TDs.

 

[Codeofhammurabi]

Norv Turner is a quirky coach who never quite seems on the same page as his QB. Even in his heyday in Dallas, Troy Aikman always seemed at odds with Turner.

Norm Chow strikes me as a completely different kind of coach...and I think, based on watching his offenses in action that he has a remarkable ability to foster his QBs growth, confidence and comfort level while keeping everyone in the offense on the same page. What shouldn't be overlooked is Chow's penchant for establishing the run (people tend to think he's a mere passing game guru)...but look at what he did with Travis Henry this past year in Tennessee. Henry put up some impressive numbers...270/1211, 4.5 ypc, 7 TDs.

All Speculation as usual.

 

[RedRob]

Seriously - What's the rush?

Quite a few of you intimate that the candidate we choose will be off the market because we're taking so long. Please, the only coaches who'll be off the market are the Pitt boys and if the Cards look as if they're going to offer one of them a job they'll be snatched up in a second; we're second choice on both of their lists.

Really, if this whole thing lasts one more week (or even two) what have we lost?

Also, the idea that you can pretty much decide on who you want to hire prior to the season ending is absurd. Getting in front of a candidate and hearing their vision is crucial.

 

[Duckjake]

So since they will botch it up anyway, they might as well just hire the first guy to come along and save us all this frustration?

Great idea.

Couldn't do any worse than three of the last four guys they've hired.

 

[ajcardfan]

Great idea.

Couldn't do any worse than three of the last four guys they've hired.

NNNNNOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!


This sort of stuff is just about the only real entertainment the Cards give us. Why do you want it to end?

 

[lobo]

So since they will botch it up anyway, they might as well just hire the first guy to come along and save us all this frustration?

question....how do you go from a well thought out obviously sane approach to this??? i guess it is your frusration and time it is taking to get done??

cool off...don't expect your first choice and if it is REJOICE!!!