2010 Playoffs: Round 1, Game 3 - Suns At Trail Blazers Game Thread

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Even though Aldridge provoked it and Amare didn't hit him or even follow through, do you seriously think the league is going to pass up a chance to screw over the Suns in the playoffs? Hell, they'll be trying to find some excuse to make it a two game suspension, since one game probably won't impact the outcome of the series.
 
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Batum called Stoudemire dirty, claimed he pushed him. I didn't notice it, i thought JRich was the one that was trying to take a charge.
 

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Bickley:
All this, and Amar'e Stoudemire has yet to have a serious impact in the playoffs. Unless you count the elbow that has everyone in the organization a bit worried.
It was an elbow Stoudemire flung while tangled up in a crowd. The first replays looked benign. Another replay looked a bit more damning. Either way, the Suns and their fans are still raw from league-mandated suspensions in the postseason, and Gentry couldn't entertain the idea of losing his power forward for Game 4.
"After what we've been through in the past . . . " Gentry fumed, recalling the controversial suspensions of Stoudemire and Diaw in a playoff series against the Spurs.
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/sun...phoenix-suns-rout-portland-trail-blazers.html
 

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what i saw last night was a deseperate blazers team, thuggin it up.

bayless, howard were getting in some pushes to hopefully irritate anyone on the suns.

i saw amare get flustered, lou with his hands in the air - like wtf? several other unnecessary pushes. i can understand going up hard for a rebound, battling for position, but those little cheap shots and pushes weren't call for.

anyone see the miller foul on amare, he followed through with both hands and even had both knees up!

desperate times call for desperate measure i guess
 

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I agree - Portland was getting desperate. I couldn't believe that Miller kneeing Amare in the chest (both knees!) was not a flagrant foul.

Amare must've been hurting after all the abuse he took last night.
 

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I agree - Portland was getting desperate. I couldn't believe that Miller kneeing Amare in the chest (both knees!) was not a flagrant foul.

Amare must've been hurting after all the abuse he took last night.

If they suspend Amare, they need to send the tape in for this one against Amare.
 

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They were definately thugging it up in the second half and fouling Amare with intent to try and get him to lose his cool! Its a total joke if Amare were suspended and nothing happened to Aldridge as he was the initiater of the whole thing. Anyway a nice thumping of them at their place do it again on Sat. and it should be a wrap coming home as they will have nothing left!
 

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you guys don't understand how the league, and rules, work, do you? now i'll admit that i didn't get to watch the game. but if amare threw an intentional elbow, even in retaliation, there's a good chance he can get suspended. you usually don't expended for a hard foul, but you do for flagrantly elbowing or throwing a punch. they are pretty clear rules. so even if amare was getting the wrong end of the stick he's gotta know the ramifications of his actions (sheesh, you'd think he learned already about the league trying to stick to the letter of the law rather than the spirit with the off-the-bench suspension), and thus he's gotta keep his cool.

i understand that's easier said than done. i almost got into a fight in a coed two-hand touch beach football game last week. but i'm not getting paid millions of dollars to play. i'm not a professional. amare has to be MORE cognizant of the outcomes of his actions.

from what i'm reading i don't think he'll be suspended. and i certainly don't want that to happen. we're rolling with good mojo right now. but i also wish amare was smarter than he seems to be.
 

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It looked a lot like their arms got tangled and Amar'e swung his elbow in an exaggerated move to get free. No, he didn't need to do that so demonstratively and dangerously. But it happened in the course of play and, though I'd have to look again to be sure, it didn't look like Amar'e was intending to hit Aldridge anywhere.

Kevin Garnett had already elbowed Richardson twice and knew exactly what he was doing when he popped Q in the face. Garnett is a little sneaky and dirty, Amar'e is just occasionally dumb.
 

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I'll be surprised if Amaré gets suspended for that. And I watched the game so I know what I'm talking about.
 

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you guys don't understand how the league, and rules, work, do you? now i'll admit that i didn't get to watch the game. but if amare threw an intentional elbow, even in retaliation, there's a good chance he can get suspended. you usually don't expended for a hard foul, but you do for flagrantly elbowing or throwing a punch. they are pretty clear rules. so even if amare was getting the wrong end of the stick he's gotta know the ramifications of his actions (sheesh, you'd think he learned already about the league trying to stick to the letter of the law rather than the spirit with the off-the-bench suspension), and thus he's gotta keep his cool.

i understand that's easier said than done. i almost got into a fight in a coed two-hand touch beach football game last week. but i'm not getting paid millions of dollars to play. i'm not a professional. amare has to be MORE cognizant of the outcomes of his actions.

from what i'm reading i don't think he'll be suspended. and i certainly don't want that to happen. we're rolling with good mojo right now. but i also wish amare was smarter than he seems to be.

It looks much worse on the replay.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=300422022

It does look like Amare does use the elbow, but the apparent deliberate push by Aldridge should also result in a suspension IMO.
 

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I think Mike and Mike should get suspended for their blatant misuse of air time on a nationally televised NBA TV game to push for an Amare suspension incessantly for the remainder of the game. It was bush league. Anybody else outside AZ that was forced to watch that broadcast knows what I'm talking about.
 

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The refs decided to completely change how they were calling the game and before Amare's "elbow", he was getting mugged on the other end of the floor. Aldridge was fouling Amare like crazy and he wasn't getting any calls. Amare swung around as Aldridge was pushing him, this is the damn playoffs.

Amare won't be suspended. No way in hell. A fine, maybe, but that's all. Aldridge did charge Amare there as the refs were breaking it up--why no crying about that?

i'm not cyring about that because you don't get suspended for charging a guy. you get a tech which is what he got... and he's not on my team so I don't give a damn what Aldridge does.

amare just can't be that stupid to lose his cool after already costing us a title three years ago.
 

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When you listened to the postgame comments by Gentry, Nash and JRich, you'd know that Amare was one if not the major reason we won the last two games. Did you read that Nash called him "unplayable" yesterday or so? You must have some really dark-colored eyes watching him play, only looking for negatives.

huh? I never said he wasn't a major reason we won the last two games. I said he's a great player with rocks in his head who might cost us a game because he got goaded into retaliating like an idiot when roughed up... AGAIN. the fact that there's even any discussion on the board and in the media about a possible suspension after what he put us through three years ago is proof positive of that. The fact that you can't see that tells me more about you rose colored glasses than mine.
 

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there's no basis or prior suspensions for "deliberate pushing" whereas there is for deliberately swinging an elbow.

A player has been suspended for swinging an elbow without connecting? Was it in a fight or during play? (I'm actually asking...not challenging.)
 

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It has appeared in the past that Stoudemire occasionally makes a poor decision. It may even be a result of lower intelligence (compared to what, I don't know).

Having said that, provocation, adrenalin, and the heat of competition can cloud even the best usual judgement.

Elbows aren't thrown in a vacuum.
 

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A player has been suspended for swinging an elbow without connecting? Was it in a fight or during play? (I'm actually asking...not challenging.)

happened to Dwight Howard last year I believe.
 

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It has appeared in the past that Stoudemire occasionally makes a poor decision. It may even be a result of lower intelligence (compared to what, I don't know).

Having said that, provocation, adrenalin, and the heat of competition can cloud even the best usual judgement.

Elbows aren't thrown in a vacuum.

I'm not saying they are but the best players are able to have their heads in the game at ALL times. Every star gets roughed up but it's only the true superstars who can rise above it and not get baited into doing something stupid. It's that which separates Amare from being the star player he is and one of the true Superstars in the league.

I mean, did you watch the Rockets or Nuggets series last year against the Lakers. Both teams had players just mauling Kobe. Did he ever retaliate? Yeah, by throwing daggers at the net to kick their asses out of the playoffs. That's how the great ones beat you... they don't retaliate with force... they retaliate with buckets. Only way to win.
 

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happened to Dwight Howard last year I believe.

You are right-ish. Here is a snippet from an article on espn.com about it:

Stu Jackson, the NBA's executive vice president of basketball operations, said Howard would have been ejected from the game if any of the referees saw him make contact with his target. Jackson said the contact was clear-cut on replay.
"They saw the elbow thrown but they couldn't determine whether or not the elbow actually made contact with Dalembert," Jackson said. "This was an elbow that was thrown that made contact above the shoulders and by rule there's an automatic suspension."

So Howard made contact above the shoulders.
 

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I'm not saying they are but the best players are able to have their heads in the game at ALL times. Every star gets roughed up but it's only the true superstars who can rise above it and not get baited into doing something stupid. It's that which separates Amare from being the star player he is and one of the true Superstars in the league.

I mean, did you watch the Rockets or Nuggets series last year against the Lakers. Both teams had players just mauling Kobe. Did he ever retaliate? Yeah, by throwing daggers at the net to kick their asses out of the playoffs. That's how the great ones beat you... they don't retaliate with force... they retaliate with buckets. Only way to win.

No one in their right mind would argue that Stoudemire is a "true superstar"... But Kobe never lost his cool? Is Dwight Howard not a "true superstar"? What about Kevin Garnett? Both of those examples are worse than Stoudemire's elbow whiff at Aldridge.
 

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No one in their right mind would argue that Stoudemire is a "true superstar"... But Kobe never lost his cool?

in the playoffs? No. He's never done anything as dumb as getting suspended and then doing something AGAIN that could get him suspended.

Is Dwight Howard not a "true superstar"?

remains to be seen. He's getting there and taking his team to the Finals is a HUGE step in doing so, but he too has only erred once in really costing his team in the playoffs. He does it again, he's a moron just like Amare.

What about Kevin Garnett?

uh, no KG is NOT a true Superstar anymore (and I would argue he never was). He's now a broken down old man who's a thug and not much more. And he was never mentally strong enough to put a team on his shoulders to win a title. Even in the playoffs against when the Celts won, he shrunk in the shadows in the Finals while Ray and Pierce carried that team to a title.

Here's the problem with Amare's elbow versus all of the above... that play didn't happen in a vaccuum... he's ALREADY gotten in trouble in the playoffs before for retaliating which cost us a playoff series and now we're talking about it again. Superstars learn from their mistakes. Fool me once, shame on you... Fool me twice, Shame on me. Bottom Line.
 

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You are right-ish. Here is a snippet from an article on espn.com about it:



So Howard made contact above the shoulders.

I hope for our sake "making contact" is the threshold for suspension... although that seems like a silly rule... but then again, a lot of their rules are.
 

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in the playoffs? No. He's never done anything as dumb as getting suspended and then doing something AGAIN that could get him suspended.

Okay, well if you are going to be so specific...:D

remains to be seen. He's getting there and taking his team to the Finals is a HUGE step in doing so, but he too has only erred once in really costing his team in the playoffs. He does it again, he's a moron just like Amare.

Wait. Howard is a 2-time DPOY. 4 time All-Star. All kinds of television commercials and media focus. He's not a "true superstar"?

uh, no KG is NOT a true Superstar anymore (and I would argue he never was). He's now a broken down old man who's a thug and not much more. And he was never mentally strong enough to put a team on his shoulders to win a title. Even in the playoffs against when the Celts won, he shrunk in the shadows in the Finals while Ray and Pierce carried that team to a title.

Okay well you are going to have to tell me what a "true superstar" is, then. I'm just trying to cut Stoudemire (and other players) some slack in these kinds of instances. You are saying that superstars never make these kinds of mistakes. Howard and Garnett both made more grievous mistakes so Stoudemire must at least be a bigger star than either of them, no? No.

Here's the problem with Amare's elbow versus all of the above... that play didn't happen in a vaccuum... he's ALREADY gotten in trouble in the playoffs before for retaliating which cost us a playoff series and now we're talking about it again. Superstars learn from their mistakes. Fool me once, shame on you... Fool me twice, Shame on me. Bottom Line.

In the heat of competition you are not thinking about how you stepped off of the bench 3 years ago.
 
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