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You don't get a good player for nothing. If all your willing to offer is crap you get Jason Marquis.

Wandy Rodriguez would have been better. How many of these "top prospects" actually become a big league regular. Anybody remember all the threads about how Conner Jackson and Carlos Quentin were gonna save the franchise?

The team is still trying to rebuild it's system the fact that they are in contention is just a bonus. They are more than 1 player away from WS contention and they could quite possibly win the division with what they have.

If the team isn't going to compete with the big spenders in FA then the only chance they have at competing is through player development.
 

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The team is still trying to rebuild it's system the fact that they are in contention is just a bonus. They are more than 1 player away from WS contention and they could quite possibly win the division with what they have.

If the team isn't going to compete with the big spenders in FA then the only chance they have at competing is through player development.

This is the thing I lose track of. I got spoiled with some of the early high payroll Dbacks teams. The Dbacks are now a small market low budget team. I guess I'm still adjusting to us becoming the Pittsburgh Pirates.
 

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This is the thing I lose track of. I got spoiled with some of the early high payroll Dbacks teams. The Dbacks are now a small market low budget team. I guess I'm still adjusting to us becoming the Pittsburgh Pirates.

Dont grave dress the situation. We're not going to become the Pirates. Ridiculous.

That is a team in disarray with bad onwership and poor FO personnel. Fortunately, we hae good people like Kevin Towers and Gibby running the show. They won't allow us to become cellar dwellers.

How may teams can you find that have gone from worst to first in one season by changing the GM and coach? The D-Backs are fun to watch and devilalum, I wish you would final realize this rather than creating threads and writing post that sound like we are a team of futility. This "small market" team has become fun to watch and follow again, and I love it.
 

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This is the thing I lose track of. I got spoiled with some of the early high payroll Dbacks teams. The Dbacks are now a small market low budget team. I guess I'm still adjusting to us becoming the Pittsburgh Pirates.

A BIG reason for the payroll being so low is that they are still making deferred payments for the 2001 championship team. This is the final year for that
 

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Braves up 2 - 0 already! And while I never root for injury, Sandoval left the game already with an injured foot. Would be quite sweet to start the Philly series with a 2 1/2 game lead! ;)
 

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This team reminds me a lot of the 2007 Rockies. They're young and coming on and they look like they've got a nice young nucleus to build on but where are the Rockies now?

The Rockies never filled the gaps in their farm system with free agent talent. I think everyone here agrees eventually they have to do it if they hope to really compete for a championship. I think it's prudent to wait and see where the holes will be before you start throwing money at a problem. This team has plenty of time to figure that out -- it doesn't have to be right now, especially when they are so inequitably matched against a team like the Phillies.
 

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This is the thing I lose track of. I got spoiled with some of the early high payroll Dbacks teams. The Dbacks are now a small market low budget team. I guess I'm still adjusting to us becoming the Pittsburgh Pirates.

Phoenix has ALWAYS been a mid-sized market. It's in the upper tier of that division, but that's where the budget has to be if you expect consistency. Colangelo tried to pretend like Phoenix was bigger than it really was, but if you're not a Top 10 TV market, you never pull in Top 10 TV market money, no matter who you have on the field.
 

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Phoenix has ALWAYS been a mid-sized market. It's in the upper tier of that division, but that's where the budget has to be if you expect consistency. Colangelo tried to pretend like Phoenix was bigger than it really was, but if you're not a Top 10 TV market, you never pull in Top 10 TV market money, no matter who you have on the field.

I don't think that's quite fair. He had his back to the wall and did about the only thing he could to try and salvage this franchise. The best estimates were that he would have a cushion similar to the Rockies when they came into being but the strike changed the marketplace. People weren't interested in watching a bad team play baseball in a city where baseball had yet to grab a foothold.

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Wilson gives up 3 runs in the bottom of the 9th as the Braves beat the Giants 5-4. The lead is now 2.5 games.
 

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Good news for our DBacks, bad news for my fantasy team. Go DBacks!
 

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I don't think that's quite fair. He had his back to the wall and did about the only thing he could to try and salvage this franchise. The best estimates were that he would have a cushion similar to the Rockies when they came into being but the strike changed the marketplace. People weren't interested in watching a bad team play baseball in a city where baseball had yet to grab a foothold.

That was exactly the argument against awarding Arizona a baseball franchise. Our metro area wasn't big enough to support the game -- at the time I believe we were No. 17. Now we're about No. 13 or 14, but it's exactly my point. Attendance was about what the experts predicted: ~20K a game. You could have made a profit on that if you had grown the organization the way EVERY baseball expert said they should do, which is to build through the organization. Almost instantaneously he went on a Yankees-like spending spree that by any reasonable account violated his most basic fiduciary responsibility to the team and its actual investors (Colangelo has never owned more than 1 percent of any team he's been in charge of). He was certain the team would make the money back by packing the house and selling merchandise -- I've actually stood face to face with him and heard him say that at the time. Instead, he broke the organization's back. There was a time, if they could have got out of their arrangement at BOB, they might have simply folded. But they had too much debt they couldn't get out of and MLB wouldn't allow it.
 

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That was exactly the argument against awarding Arizona a baseball franchise. Our metro area wasn't big enough to support the game -- at the time I believe we were No. 17. Now we're about No. 13 or 14, but it's exactly my point. Attendance was about what the experts predicted: ~20K a game. You could have made a profit on that if you had grown the organization the way EVERY baseball expert said they should do, which is to build through the organization. Almost instantaneously he went on a Yankees-like spending spree that by any reasonable account violated his most basic fiduciary responsibility to the team and its actual investors (Colangelo has never owned more than 1 percent of any team he's been in charge of). He was certain the team would make the money back by packing the house and selling merchandise -- I've actually stood face to face with him and heard him say that at the time. Instead, he broke the organization's back. There was a time, if they could have got out of their arrangement at BOB, they might have simply folded. But they had too much debt they couldn't get out of and MLB wouldn't allow it.

That isn't the way I heard it at the time. I heard their studies indicated the Rockies were a reasonable model for comparison purposes. Colorado had about a 2 year grace period before their numbers began to dwindle because of an inferior product. But for Arizona's first year, the attendance figures were more than 10,000 per game fewer than anticipated. If the numbers during their grace period were already so low there was no way the organization could survive a few years of what projected to be even lower numbers so they increased their payroll by almost 40 Million (from year 1 to year 2) in an effort to buy a competitive team.

The thinking over the next couple of years was they could borrow from the future and as the fan base responded to a winner they'd gradually be able to pay it back. It was considered risky but the likelihood of the franchise surviving in Phoenix was virtually nil if they went the traditional route and built it over a period of several years. Nobody had anticipated the damage the recent work stoppage would have on the casual fan. We'll never know for sure if it was necessary but I'm of the opinion we wouldn't have a team in Arizona had Jerry not gone this route.

Steve
 

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Ya, as a fan, I sure wish Colangelo had built from within. Those poor investors. Winning a championship is SO overrated.
 

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Halladay's curveball is freaking ridiculous and should be illegal. LoL
 

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Collmenter lookin good so far. 2nd time thru this lineup will be interesting.
 

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Fearless prediction: If the Dbacks manage to face Roy Halladay in the playoffs:

They will not get no-hit.


Book it.
 
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Third time through order is scary. Even Halliday doubles
 

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