2011 Draft: Christian Ponder, QB

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Get to know a little bit about QB prospect Christian Ponder through a catch all.
(These kind of gatherers show a person how subjective scouting is.)
What's your take?

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QB
Ht: 6-2 Wt: 229
School: Fla State

POST COMBINE UPDATE w/ numbers!

40 yard dash: 4.65
Arm Length: n/a
Hand Size: 10.5"
Reps on Bench w/ 225lbs: n/a




Check the websites for the full report!

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=62530
NFP said:
A thick, well-built quarterback with above-average girth through his upper body. Showcases good mechanics and clean overall footwork, quickly getting out from under center and maintaining his balance in his drop. Is a bright kid who does a great job keeping the football cocked and getting the ball out of his hands quickly. Displays a good mental alarm clock and a quick, compact release, which allows him to consistently get the ball out on time. Is a solid athlete for the position who does a nice job stepping up in the pocket, buying time for himself with his feet and has the ability to create with his legs once he breaks containment. Exhibits impressive ball skills, handles the football well on play fakes and looks really comfortable anytime he's asked to get outside the pocket and make throws on the move.

Showcases good anticipation, accuracy and touch on all levels of the field. Spins a really clean football and consistently is able to throw to open receivers both down the seam and outside the numbers. Exhibits a real rhythm in the short passing game as well, quickly setting his feet both from under center and from the gun, striding toward his target and accurately picking defenses apart. However, really struggled at times as a senior with his ability to find secondary targets and go through his progressions. Has taken his fair share of shots and seemed to get gun shy, causing him to drop his eye level quickly or stick on his initial read and force throws into coverage. Lacked great arm strength when asked to zip the football outside the numbers this year and when he is late with a throw, passes hang on him and he gives defensive backs plenty of time to jump his throws. Showed good rhythm and anticipation skills as a junior, which allowed him to make all the throws, but wasn't nearly as impressive as a senior keeping his eyes down the field and working his progressions and struggled fitting the ball in tight areas. Displays a good understanding of the pass game and does a nice job quickly recognizing coverage's and working his way one side of the field to another. However, needs to do a better job looking off safeties when attempting bucket throws down the field. His football has a tendency to hang on him a bit down the field, giving rangy defensive backs a chance to make a play on the throw. Also, when working his way back across the field on his progressions, he will occasionally throw blind into coverage. Nevertheless, the guy has come a long way since 2008 and he knows how to handle adversity, work through it and come out on the other side better because of it.

Impression: I had big expectations for him as a senior, but his play was pretty poor after suffering numerous injuries this past season, taking away from his arm strength and ability to make all the throws. However in my mind, you almost have to throw out his tape as a senior because he wasn't anywhere near healthy. With that being said, he did a nice job during the post season spinning the football and his arm looked as live as ever. Is a guy who has battled through adversity, has some good tape as a junior and is someone I would not want to bet against. Gets it from the shoulders up.

http://sidelinescouting.com/rankings/qb/christian-ponder.shtml
sideline scouting said:

Positives:
At his best when asked to work the middle of the field, very accurate between the hash marks... Completes a high percentage of his passes... Sells the play fake, hides the football really well... Gets proper depth in his drop steps, very quick feet... True leader on and off the field, very tough player who plays through pain and will earn the respect of teammates... Great athletic ability, good playmaker when things break down... Keeps his eyes downfield, good runner when asked to take off... Smart with the football, will slide rather than absorb the big hit... Prototypical frame for the position... Intelligent, earned his bachelor's degree in two and a half years with a 3.7 GPA... Although he didn't look good in practices, was MVP of 2011 Senior Bowl and probably helped his draft stock overall.

Negatives: Has a tendency to float balls to the sideline, will struggle throwing intermediate and deep routes at the next level... Despite being asked to throw the ball consistently, hasn't put up big numbers... Doesn't play up to competition and feasts off inferior opponents... Seems to have regressed this year after a breakout junior season... Doesn't get great rotation on his throws, causes some of his intermediate and deep throws to drift away from the receiver... Questionable decision maker, throws a lot of balls into double coverage and trusts his receivers too much... Stares at his number one receiver too long, has to go through his progression quicker... Has some injury concerns, missed his last four games in 2009 due to a separated shoulder... Battled a forearm injury all year, was knocked out of the Chick-Fil-A Bowl this year due to a concussion.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1116559
CBSsports said:
Accuracy: Zips the underneath routes with good accuracy; consistently hitting receivers in stride to best take advantage of teammates' athleticism in FSU's use of quick slants and screens. Keeps his deep-outs low and outside, away from the defender and where only his intended target can make the play. Occasionally forces the receiver to adjust on deeper passes, as his lack of dominant arm strength can cause the ball to float.
Arm Strength: Doesn't own a Matthew Stafford-type howitzer, but has plenty of arm strength to make every NFL throw. Good zip on underneath routes; showcasing enough drive to push the ball through tight windows for the quick slant. Good timing and accuracy make up for a lack of a dominant arm for the deep-out. Effective deep-ball thrower; able to launch the ball 50-plus yards with velocity and trajectory.
Setup/Release: Quick setup and a compact, over-the-top delivery. Good footwork. Willing to take a hit to set his feet and step into his throw. Experienced under center and operating out of the shotgun. Passes have a tight spiral, making his throws easy for his wideouts to track and catch easily.
Reading Defenses: Some legitimate concerns in this area. Has to do a better job of looking off the defender, as he has a tendency to stare-down his primary target. Doesn't always feel the pressure coming when he makes his progressions, especially if his primary target is unexpectedly covered up. Made some critical mistakes late in games throughout his career, including several times in 2010.
 
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He doesn't have the arm strength. The INTs are a result of him not having the strength to fit the ball through a tight window. He also doesn't recognize that he doesn't have great arm strength which is why he throws the INTs. Brent Farve had the same problem with not knowing his own abilities, the difference is that Brint had a cannon.
 

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He's battled some injuries this year.

This says a lot:

With that being said, he did a nice job during the post season spinning the football and his arm looked as live as ever. Is a guy who has battled through adversity, has some good tape as a junior and is someone I would not want to bet against. Gets it from the shoulders up.

Cbs sports gives him a very nice write up also.
 

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He doesn't have the arm strength. The INTs are a result of him not having the strength to fit the ball through a tight window. He also doesn't recognize that he doesn't have great arm strength which is why he throws the INTs. Brent Farve had the same problem with not knowing his own abilities, the difference is that Brint had a cannon.

Watch him prior to this season. He has plenty of arm. Doesn't have a cannon like Mallett or even of Newton, but it's plenty strong. His shoulder is worrisome though.
 

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He is amazing. He is the best QB in the draft, and is the only one that i believe is having a chance to make a great starting QB even early on. All others are developmental QB's, at best, at this point.

Ponder could play well in a west coast offense.
 

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Vikings GM picking at #12 had this to say about QB's in the upcoming draft.

12. Vikings:

G.M. Rick Spielman seemed to acknowledge Friday that he won’t find an elite signal caller in the No. 12 spot, instead praising the “very good senior quarterbacks that are going to go in the second and third round.”


That would mtl include, Mallet, Locker, Ponder and Kaepernick and possibly McElroy and Dalton. Cards may be able to have their pick of the bunch.
 

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Watch him prior to this season. He has plenty of arm. Doesn't have a cannon like Mallett or even of Newton, but it's plenty strong. His shoulder is worrisome though.

He hurt his shoulder, and his arm strength decreased. That's a huge problem IMO.
 

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Christian makes you Ponder. He's got some game...but, to me, he's always been the QB who teases you with occasional flashes of brilliance, but most of the time looks merely pedestrian.

He does not strike me as a very good leader, either. Not that he's shabby...he just doesn't show up when you need him most.

I would be very surprised if he ever starts an NFL game...not enough inbred talent and not enough of a take charge, lead the way mentality.
 

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He hurt his shoulder, and his arm strength decreased. That's a huge problem IMO.

His arm strength looked back to normal at the senior bowl. It's not the strength of his arm that worries me, it's the durability of his shoulder.
 

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Christian makes you Ponder. He's got some game...but, to me, he's always been the QB who teases you with occasional flashes of brilliance, but most of the time looks merely pedestrian.

He does not strike me as a very good leader, either. Not that he's shabby...he just doesn't show up when you need him most.

I would be very surprised if he ever starts an NFL game...not enough inbred talent and not enough of a take charge, lead the way mentality.

Ponder is one of the smartest qbs in the draft. Got his BA in business in 2 1/2 years and graduated with an MBA. Also ran a pro offense taking snaps behind the center. Most pro ready of all college qbs. Was offensive MVP in the Senior Bowl showing excellent qb skills. Most likely go in the 2nd round. I like him more than Kaepernick who is a real project.
 
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We'll see your opinions after the Combine.

Players performance in college is really the most important element however the combine is important as we get to know actual size, speed, strength, etc.
The interviews with the coaches (which we have no idea how they go) gives the team a real feel about the players mental capabilities.
I heard an interview Friday morning with Whisenhunt & Graves on the Doug & Wolf show.They said the actual interviews are more important than the score on the Wonderlic test as they quiz the players on how they would handle certain game situations.

Would love to be in the interview a team has with Cam Newton.
 

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Ponder wouldn't survive 2 games behind this line. If you like him, wait until next year and grab Chandler Harnish, NIU. Small medical concern about a knee, but he's a Ponder clone with better durability. This kid will likely fly under the radar, but he's an outstanding prospect. I like Ponder's skill set, but he just won't enjoy a long career if he starts.
 

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Ponder wouldn't survive 2 games behind this line. If you like him, wait until next year and grab Chandler Harnish, NIU. Small medical concern about a knee, but he's a Ponder clone with better durability. This kid will likely fly under the radar, but he's an outstanding prospect. I like Ponder's skill set, but he just won't enjoy a long career if he starts.
I think getting him and letting him sit for the first year gets him healthier and stronger. Bradford had some serious medical concerns, and they still may become an issue, but he held up fine. I guess alot will depend on how Ponder checks out medically and if he is prone to re-injuring the same area.
 
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