2011 Draft Thread

[Divide Et Impera]

I don't know anything about Faried, so I'm not commenting on the argument, but you can't leave Barkley out of the undersized rebounders argument....

 

[JCSunsfan]

Standing reahc is all fine and great but the fact is he is 6'7 and 215 or something he is as undersized as you get.

I can't get why people keep bringing up Rodman in a sentence with Faried. Rodman is ONE exception and the only exception. Maybe Ben Wallace too but he was much stronger. And that is in the last 30-40 years...

Faried and Gortat is a horrible frontcourt. 2 guys with almost not offensive skills and no real shotblocking, Faried a lot undersized at his position and Gortat also not really big at 6'11.

Standing reach is more important than height. Faried measured 6-7.5 and 225 exactly at the combine. Amare was 232 at the combine when he was drafted. I am just telling you that nba scouts look more at length than height and stqnding reach is the primary measurement.

 

[Griffin]

Reportedly Jonas Valanciunas' buyout was raised to $3M which may make some teams pass on him that otherwise wouldn't. He's been projected to go in the top 8. Can this guy play PF and would the Suns grab him if he was available at #13, or would they pass on him too due to the buyout? There was a time when expensive buyouts didn't scare the Suns away (Big Jake and more recently Dragic). But I don't even know if this guy is someone worth looking at.

 

[slinslin]

No he can't he is not a very skilled player. He compares to Biedrins.

A 3M$ buyout won't scare off anyone I guess because as I remember 3M$ was the maximum an NBA team can contribute to a buyout.

 

[sunsfan88]

If neither Burks or Biyombo are available at #13, Suns have to pick Marshon Brooks.

The kid's potential is unbelievable.

Providence's Marshon Brooks turned heads with a strong combine performance. On Friday, the drills turned more competitive and Brooks made a number of spectacular plays. With a 7-1 wingspan, huge hands and scorer's mentality, he's now garnered serious interest in the first round. Two teams to watch with Brooks are the Wolves and Bulls. The Bulls, especially, seem to be enamored with Brooks but are concerned that he won't be there when they pick. "If he was two years younger or if his team had won more games, he'd be a lottery pick," one NBA GM said. "But as far as NBA scorers go, there aren't any guards in this draft that can get his own shot at the NBA level like him."

Brooks has been compared to Kobe Bryant from countless analysts and scouts from around the league. The way he shoots, moves, defends, drives, clears space and rebounds is nearly identical to the legendary Kobe Bryant.

Look at this s***!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PQFhRBB8LQo

Obviously ain't gonna be no Kobe but can still be a very good player in this league. Could be that "superstar" player that we need.

 

[SunsTzu]

No he can't he is not a very skilled player. He compares to Biedrins.

A 3M$ buyout won't scare off anyone I guess because as I remember 3M$ was the maximum an NBA team can contribute to a buyout.

Pretty sure the most teams can contribute to a buyout is only around 250K and the rest has to be paid by player(which is why Dragic got so much money as a 2nd round pick, so he could pay his buyout). $3 million is the max teams can put in a trade.

 

[elindholm]

Pretty sure the most teams can contribute to a buyout is only around 250K and the rest has to be paid by player

I thought it was $500,000, but in any case, it's moot, because the new CBA will probably change it.

 

[Griffin]

If neither Burks or Biyombo are available at #13, Suns have to pick Marshon Brooks.

The kid's potential is unbelievable.

Brooks is a senior, and there is a reason why he didn't declare early. Very few seniors drafted in the last five years or so have done anything in this league so far. The high-potential players generally come out early. Don't think Brooks is a lottery pick even in this relatively weak draft.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Brooks is a senior, and there is a reason why he didn't declare early. Very few seniors drafted in the last five years or so have done anything in this league so far. The high-potential players generally come out early. Don't think Brooks is a lottery pick even in this relatively weak draft.[/QUOTETTTO

So hes no good bc hes a sr? The draft evaluations on this board astound me. Its so much about stereotypes and not actual play or skills. If hes white or a sr no good. If hes both there is no hope.

This kid scored 52 in the big east. What player in the last draft could hsve done that? If there is something about his game that wont translate to the nba tell me what it is. But dont tell me that there must be somwthing just bc he is a sr.

 

[Irish]

I'm more inclined to go for a power inside guy than a project point guard. I am very skeptical of Fredette because I don't think the Suns need another poor defender at PG.

It is not out of the question that the Suns may trade out of 13 since there are some decent players that would reachs taken that high.

 

[jandaman]

Im liking Marshon Brooks if everyone else Suns looking at are gone..

Brooks isnt 25 or anything, so whats being SENIOR got to do with it?

He has higher IQ by playing that much competition if anything...

He moves like Kobe, but I see more of a Jamal Crawford/OJ Mayo type role.... Kobe was taller, more explosive and athletic at the same age...

 

[slinslin]

I would not be against Brooks.

But my top list is still Burks, Selby, Tyler for players we can realistically acquire. I am warming up to Brooks though. The beauty is he is not that highly rated he might be available at 20 or something unfortunately we don't have that pick anymore.

C - Keith Benson #44
PF- Jeremy Tyler #38
SF- Chris Singleton #19
SG- Marshon Brooks #25
PG- Josh Selby #27

My team made up of "low value" picks.

 

[Mainstreet]

Right now my focus is on Tristan Thompson and Bismack Biyombo if either should be there. If Utah should go with Fredette it should push a player down. I have no problem with some of the guards mentioned especially a player like Burks.

Could the Suns have some interest in Fredette? See azcentral article by Paola Boivin dated 6-1-11. I'd be more nervous if the article was written by Paul Coro.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/sun...01jimmer-fredette-phoenix-suns-nba-draft.html

 

[SirStefan32]

Ok, so looks like Rubio is joining TWolves, which means that Flynn is going to be moved.
TWolves are also open to trading their pick. How much would the Suns give up to get Flynn and #2 pick?

 

[sunsfan88]

What's with all this hype on Tristian Thompson to PHX?

We don't need that kid at all. He doesn't help us much. I would rather trade our pick for like a late 2012 first rouder than draft him.

 

[sunsfan88]

Sources say Washington & Phoenix have been the most active teams trying to trade up for Derrick Williams. T'Wolves want a "veteran big man."

http://twitter.com/#!/DraftExpress/status/76379111366475777

Better not be Gortat...

 

[elindholm]

Ok, so looks like Rubio is joining TWolves, which means that Flynn is going to be moved.
TWolves are also open to trading their pick. How much would the Suns give up to get Flynn and #2 pick?

I think the Wolves would be fools to give up the #2. Rubio won't be an impact player in the NBA. His limitations are too extreme.

 

[devilalum]

http://twitter.com/#!/DraftExpress/status/76379111366475777

Better not be Gortat...

Why is it that every year there is buzz about the Suns trying to trade up and all they ever do is trade out or sell their picks?

 

[Folster]

Seriously. Every year there's a story about how bad the Suns are trying to move up. I don't think we shoud give up the farm for Williams. IMO, his ceiling is Antawn Jamison. They are extremely similar players coming out of college.

Our only assets are Gortat, Dudley, and the #13. Nash doesn't have any value to a team at the top of the lottery.

 

[elindholm]

Our only assets are Gortat, Dudley, and the #13.

And, with the right team, salary relief offered by Carter's buyout. But the Wolves aren't the right trade partner for that.

Frankly, with the Wolves already having Love and Beasley, the best "big man" fit for them would be someone like Frye. I can't imagine how the Suns could sweeten the deal enough to get to the #2, but Frye makes more sense than Gortat.

 

[Covert Rain]

http://twitter.com/#!/DraftExpress/status/76379111366475777

Better not be Gortat...

A-Men.

 

[Griffin]

So hes no good bc hes a sr? The draft evaluations on this board astound me. Its so much about stereotypes and not actual play or skills. If hes white or a sr no good. If hes both there is no hope.

I didn't say he wasn't any good, and he might very well be a late bloomer and have an excellent NBA career. But if you look at recent history of seniors drafted, the odds are against it. Very few 4-year college players drafted in the last 10 years have even made an all-star team. Brandon Roy, Danny Granger, David Lee, Jameer Nelson. That's it. Whether or not Brooks will join that list I am in no position to say having only seen a few highlight reels.

 

[sunsfan88]

Seriously. Every year there's a story about how bad the Suns are trying to move up. I don't think we shoud give up the farm for Williams. IMO, his ceiling is Antawn Jamison. They are extremely similar players coming out of college.

Our only assets are Gortat, Dudley, and the #13. Nash doesn't have any value to a team at the top of the lottery.

Minnesota has been begging for PHX to trade Nash to the Timberwolves since the deadline. They want Nash to mentor Rubio.

http://minnesota.sbnation.com/minne...steve-nash-ricky-rubio-minnesota-timberwolves

http://sportshaze.com/minneapolis/m...the-wolves-chances-of-landing-steve-nash-1383

http://theswamp51.wordpress.com/201...berwolves-are-trying-to-trade-for-steve-nash/

http://mn-sz.com/2011/04/what-better-mentor-to-rubio-than-steve-nash/

 

[Mainstreet]

What's with all this hype on Tristian Thompson to PHX?

We don't need that kid at all. He doesn't help us much. I would rather trade our pick for like a late 2012 first rouder than draft him.

Because he might be the best potential big man available if the Suns go big at #13. He also has tremendous upside being only a freshman and only 20 years old.

 

[PhxGametime]

I would Trade Marcin Gortat for #2, if Derrick Williams was on the board... I think that would work straight up and the Suns could select Nikola Vucevic at #13 for example. or Jonas Valenciunas, Donatas Motiejunas, etc.


Channing Frye could be another veteran bigman and there'd be some stretch 4's to replace him at #13, if the Suns could keep that Pick at all... JaJuan Johnson, Justin Harper, Marcus Morris, Trey Thompkins, etc.