2011 Draft Thread

[slinslin]

If someoen still has such a major flaw in his game after 4 years of college it is safe to say that won't suddenly go away in the pros.

 

[Errntknght]

slin,

Fredette took twice as many shots as Nash as a senior. Don't even try to tell me their games are similiar, they are not.

You screwed up your tense and I think it indicates what is behind the vehemence of your arguments. I have never claimed their games were similar - and certainly no one has claimed their games are similar. On the other hand their assists per minute over 4 years in college were very similar. I'm not going to project that Fredette will improve like Nash did - that was almost unprecedented in the league.

 

[JCSunsfan]

He did not finish well shooting on the move and off the dribble.

He can't play defense...

I just don't see it. Jordan Farmer also tested out as an athletic freak and well..

Everyone knows he can shoot off the dribble and catching and shooting. Hes been doing it for 4 years. A drill at the combine wont change that. As far as the d goes he has the strength and speed. Hes just never had to do it. If he doesnt play d its a choice.

 

[Covert Rain]

Everyone knows he can shoot off the dribble and catching and shooting. Hes been doing it for 4 years. A drill at the combine wont change that. As far as the d goes he has the strength and speed. Hes just never had to do it. If he doesnt play d its a choice.

Why do you assume that? There are lots of very gifted athletes that are drafted every year that can't play a lick of defense. Some guys simply don't posses defensive instincts or have the right skills. I can't think of one guy who was a horrible defender in college turn into a good one at the next level. Even if I could come up with someone, it's the exception and not the rule.

 

[slinslin]

Some scouts say they never even saw Jimmer bend his knees...

Combine measurements are useless almost except for the size measurements and maybe leaping.

It doesn't matter if someone runs 0.1 seconds faster in sprints or lane agility really. Basketball isn't so much about straight line running speed. Speed on the court is what is important, deceptive quickness, change of pace and all those things. I prefer to evaluate athletic ability by what i see on tape not what I see at the combine.

If you go by combine numbers Jordan Farmer is as or more athletic than Derrick Rose.

 

[jandaman]

Burks at #13
Selby at #13-20
Tyler at #20-25

Those are the picks I would like to see.

Much rather get Tyler even at #13 than picking Markieff Morris, yuck.

trade with Blazers (No.21) and Timberwolves (No.20)

Suns
OUT: Nash + Brooks + Pietrus
IN: Wolves No.20 + A.Randolph + Batum + Blazers No.21 + Ridnour


Suns picks
No.13 - Burks (SG) or Biyombo (PF/C)
No.20 - Tyler (PF/C)
No.21 - Selby (PG/SG)

 

[SirStefan32]

trade with Blazers (No.21) and Timberwolves (No.20)

Suns
OUT: Nash + Brooks + Pietrus
IN: Wolves No.20 + A.Randolph + Batum + Blazers No.21 + Ridnour


Suns picks
No.13 - Burks (SG) or Biyombo (PF/C)
No.20 - Tyler (PF/C)
No.21 - Selby (PG/SG)

Why would Minnesota want Nash and Brooks?

 

[jandaman]

Why would Minnesota want Nash and Brooks?

PORTLAND
IN: Brooks
OUT: Batum + No.21

WOLVES
IN: Nash + Pietrus
OUT: A.Randolph + No.20 + Ridnour

 

[jandaman]

SUNS can keep No.13, No.20 and No.21 to pick up "HIGH RISK, VERY HIGH REWARD" Players in Jeremy Tyler and Josh Selby.

Both are project later, but I have a feeling one of them will go top 20...

Both were Ranked No.1 High schoolers before college or INTERNATIONAL...

Both have skills/talent that is top 5, but character issue or injuries/circumstances put them under the radar.

Think, Barbosa, Arenas, Boozer, heck Kobe Bryant.... of players that went LATE in the draft due to circumstances.. or High School PHENOMS.

 

[jandaman]

or package all 2 or all for a top 5 pick.... but might not be worth it.. unless Irving, Kanter or Williams are there.

 

[Folster]

PORTLAND
IN: Brooks
OUT: Batum + No.21

Run that by a Blazer fan.

 

[jandaman]

Run that by a Blazer fan.

Blazers my 2nd team, do I count?

hehe



Less pressure on Roy to score, and concentrate on play making, can be effective even without his athletism due to his HIGH IQ and good skills.

PG: Brooks / Mills / Miller (if not traded)
SG: Roy / Matthews / Fernandez
SF: Wallace / Fernandez / Babbit
PF: Aldridge / Barron
C: Camby / Oden

Suns can add Warrick to play PF minutes for them.

Brooks is a 20ppg given reign to be a 1st or 2nd option.... and can BOMB the 3 pt (lead NBA 2 seasons ago)

This makes them a championship contender. Against Mavs, Thunder, Lakers.... Brooks matches up well.

 

[Irish]

I'm not that excited about Jimmer. I remember the guy from "Gonzaga that went third in the draft and didn't finish the season. I know Jimmer has more range, a quick release, etc., still I don't like repeating the Jacobson fiasco. At best he reminds me of Redick.

What's wrong with Redick? In the playoffs he shot 35.7% 6.7% (1 of 15)for three in 20 minutes per game.

 

[AsUdUdE]

Why again won't the Jazz take this guy?

because the suns caught a break when the Jazz snuck into the lottery and will select a PG (knight?) and therefore will not have any need for Jimmer at #12...

That being said knowing the Suns luck they will take Kanter at #3 and the Jimmer at #12...

 

[JCSunsfan]

because the suns caught a break when the Jazz snuck into the lottery and will select a PG (knight?) and therefore will not have any need for Jimmer at #12...

That being said knowing the Suns luck they will take Kanter at #3 and the Jimmer at #12...

While i think jimmer will be better than most pundits do, i want bismack.

 

[Gaddabout]

Nash isn't going to be traded. Can't believe it's even being discussed in the hypothetical. This is coming from the same source I told you about when I told you two falls ago the Suns would never offer Amare a max deal because of his knee and the Suns would never entertain a deal for Nash. The FO will continue to kiss Nash's butt until the day he decides to retire or he chooses not to renew his contract. More than likely he will get a contract extension of 1 year plus a player option for a second year, unless something changes in his life and he wants to be elsewhere. But rest assured he will be a Sun through the end of next season. Nash has zero trade value to any team outside of New York and Sarver doesn't want to be the guy who dissed arguably the greatest player in team history by trading him to a place he didn't want to go. More importantly, Nash is the only player on the roster that makes the Suns relevant, and relevance is the most important thing in the world to Sarver. Apparently.

Also, I can assure you Fredette is not high on the Suns draft board. The emphasis is on defense. Period. Front office marching orders.

 

[carey]

Also, I can assure you Fredette is not high on the Suns draft board. The emphasis is on defense. Period. Front office marching orders.

Then we're looking at Chris Singleton. He's the only "lockdown" defender in the draft.

 

[Folster]

Nash isn't going to be traded. Can't believe it's even being discussed in the hypothetical. This is coming from the same source I told you about when I told you two falls ago the Suns would never offer Amare a max deal because of his knee and the Suns would never entertain a deal for Nash. The FO will continue to kiss Nash's butt until the day he decides to retire or he chooses not to renew his contract. More than likely he will get a contract extension of 1 year plus a player option for a second year, unless something changes in his life and he wants to be elsewhere. But rest assured he will be a Sun through the end of next season. Nash has zero trade value to any team outside of New York and Sarver doesn't want to be the guy who dissed arguably the greatest player in team history by trading him to a place he didn't want to go. More importantly, Nash is the only player on the roster that makes the Suns relevant, and relevance is the most important thing in the world to Sarver. Apparently.

Also, I can assure you Fredette is not high on the Suns draft board. The emphasis is on defense. Period. Front office marching orders.

Is your buddy saying who we have high on our draft board? Are we looking to move up and/or acquire another pick?

 

[slinslin]

Following this team has really begun to suck ever since Sarver took over.

Do you remember the good times on suns.com where we would get interviews and short workout clips with the prospects and good draft coverage regardless of how high our picks were?

I barely ever go to suns.com anymore..

 

[Mainstreet]

Following this team has really begun to suck ever since Sarver took over.

Do you remember the good times on suns.com where we would get interviews and short workout clips with the prospects and good draft coverage regardless of how high our picks were?

I barely ever go to suns.com anymore..

Slinslin, you really nailed this one. The Suns FO seldom shares their thinking with the fans. JC spoiled us. I used to feel a part of the decision making process when he was the owner.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Slinslin, you really nailed this one. The Suns FO seldom shares their thinking with the fans. JC spoiled us. I used to feel a part of the decision making process when he was the owner.

The thing about JC is that you knew his primary objective was winning. Even when he made mistakes, it was because he took a risk in pursuit of a championship.

I have no confidence that Sarver really wants to win.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Sarver is a banker and he views the Suns only through the lens of financial statements. Until we as fans react in a way that gets his attention (e.g., through the financial statements), he will not respond in the way we want him to. He needs to see a season or two of bad Statements of Cash Flows and a decline in Net Income - preferably to Net Losses - in order for him to wise up and either sell the team or start looking at his obligations to the franchise through another lens....

 

[JCSunsfan]

Sarver is a banker and he views the Suns only through the lens of financial statements. Until we as fans react in a way that gets his attention (e.g., through the financial statements), he will not respond in the way we want him to. He needs to see a season or two of bad Statements of Cash Flows and a decline in Net Income - preferably to Net Losses - in order for him to wise up and either sell the team or start looking at his obligations to the franchise through another lens....

He will then blame his problems on the city and petition to move the team to San Diego where he lives. The worst thing that Jerry Colangelo ever did was sell this team to Robert Sarver, there is no real success without a successor.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Look at Mark Cuban and Dan Snyder. Both operate their respective franchises through the lens of sports fans. Now, Dan Snyder makes moronic decisions, but he overpays because he believes he can buy his way to a championship. His intentions are clear, but his decisions are over-exuberant and sometimes irrational. Mark Cuban, on the other hand, literally fights and claws his way as an owner-fan. I couldn't be mad at DAL winning a championship because their owner - and thus the organization as a whole - is focused on winning and responding to the fans (not the investors). We need a Snyder or Cuban here (preferably a Cuban, but even a Snyder would give us more hope than Sarver)....

 

[Divide Et Impera]

He will then blame his problems on the city and petition to move the team to San Diego where he lives. The worst thing that Jerry Colangelo ever did was sell this team to Robert Sarver, there is no real success without a successor.

I doubt he could ever even legitimately make that happen. A couple bad financial statements is not going to convince the NBA Owners Association and the board to ratify such a move - especially not when you have the CEOs of ATL, MIL, LAC, and TOR sitting there looking back at Sarver....