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I like Fredette. There's a huge chance he might end up like Adam Morrison though. I wouldn't be overly upset if he was picked by the Suns. His release is fast, he can shoot off the dribble and he is smart. As for big men, its a huge crapshoot anyway with big men. If anything, this selection will definitely keep me watching Suns games just to see him play at the NBA level. We need offense, our primary offensive weapon is Nash and he is old. Carter will be gone and what is left of our offense? Channing Frye??

I think Fredette is the real deal and will be an NBA star for the following reasons.

1. He has tremendous ball handing ability, uses both hands, goes either direction. Deficiencies in this area can be covered up in the NBA.

2. He has a knack for getting his shot up in traffic, using his body to create space. He is alot like Nash in this area.

3. He keeps his dribble moving and keeps that ball alive just like Nash.

4. He seems to have very good court vision and natural instincts for the flow of the game.

5. His shot is fundamentally sound and he has a quick release. He doesn't need much space at all.

I think he will struggle defensively in the NBA. IOW, he looks more like the second coming of Steve Nash than any other player to date. If we could draft him, I would be thrilled.
 

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I also like the fact that he's a college senior playing for a program that's made the tournament each year he's been there and won its conference a couple times as well. I know BYU isn't Duke and the Mountain West isn't the ACC, but I still like it.
 

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LMA isn't nearly as good as either of those guys. He's a fringe All Star type guy who isn't going to lead a team to much. When the Blazers thought he'd be the 3rd option after Roy and Oden he seemed like a heck of a 3rd option, as the #1 guy though?

Im not saying they're looking to trade him, but to compare him to those other guys is odd to me.




You don't want to take back Brandon Roys contract on a hope that the Suns staff might be able to rehab him. He's got two big years left after this one and a player option he'll surely take.

Oden on the other hand I'd be VERY interested in if Portland has indeed given up on him. I want Gortat starting but Oden could be an interesting option off the bench.

This out of Portland. Many are starting to blame the sorry state of the Blazers training program for the rash of injuries they are facing. interesting

Colin Hoobler - owner of CH Physical Therapy and contributor to KGW Channel 8 and the Oregonian was on 95.5 The Game with the "it's not all coincidence" contrary opinion to what you always here from the Blazers. An interesting interview.

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The most compelling thing is so many of these are non-contact injuries. The rate and the severity is something I would call highly questionable.

The Portland fans deserve accountability here and I don't think there is a problem with questioning what is going on. If you back up and look at the treatments, the Dr's seem more interested in the treatment than the cause. They were trying to decrease the strengthening portion of Brandon Roy's treatment and trying some very controversial procedures on Brandon.

They are not preparing the atheletes properly. Injuries to the body are the result of an inability to adapt. You have to train to the level of forces you will encounter or you will get hurt. I'm fed up with the "snake bit/bad luck" mantra. Marcus Camby was bad luck but in the majority of these injuries, the frequency and severity is out of line with the non-contact way in which they are happening.

If you look at the training methods under things like 'Blazer workouts', you can see they violate some of the simple basic principles of training. They don't seem to being pushed at all to be able to absorb the forces on the court.

There are some basic things even around diet that don't seem to be happening. The Blazers are famous for coddling their players when it comes to training. You are not seeing a product that has been training properly. People may question my motives that I'm trying to build my own business. It's about holding practitioners accountable and doing what is best for the individual.

It starts with the attitude from the top down. It's a general attitude among elite teams from how they play, style of play, intensity etc that you don't see here. Of course that is anecdotal but the contention that all these injuries are bad luck is just irresponsible.

Jeff Pendergraph is a perfect example. ACL rupture back in the fall. There is data and protocol that you can be back to 'high leve' elite sport activity in several months. Brandon has been told that 'this is the body he has been dealt with and there is nothing he can do about it'. That is absolutely not true. The platelet rich plasma was very controversial and does nothing to address the cause. I just don't see that they are being pushed hard enough to prepare for the game.

The simple math is, there are very high level forces that are going into the body. You have to train at the same level or you are going to get injured and that is basic sports medicine. It is obvious that lack of training is going on but no one wants to talk about it. Why aren't the Blazers talking about this? The majority of the training staff has been with them since the 90's. The definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over again and expect different results.

They need to alter what they are doing and embrace proper preparedness for the actual game on the court. Blazer fans deserve a premium product for which they are paying a premium price.
 

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Give up some of our draft picks or whoever for Mello! :p Make a run this year.
 

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What and who could the Suns offer Denver that wouldn't strip us down for a serious run the next 2-3 years?

First rounder and...well we don't have a desired power forward to offer. So first rounder and who? Denver knows they will just lose out on Anthony. He would have to agree to a long term of course.

I wonder if Mello would even want to come here.
 

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I hope we get Fredette in the first round. Forget big men (How many ever end up even being usable?) we could use a guy who can score since our offense has taken a hit. Give Fred some screens and let him pop those sweet jumpers in Phoenix!!
 

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Oden has never, and never will be, a 1st option in the NBA. LMA has always been Portland's #2, although this year he's clearly their #1. LMA has never been a #3 in his career.

Im saying what Portland thought they had. They were building around a "big 3" of Roy, Oden and LMA. They thought (as did most folks) that Oden was going to be a perennial All Star and potential super star Center when they took him and even after his initial injuries. Oden never panned out due to injuries and Roy ended up getting hurt as well, pushing LMA into that #1 spot.
 

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Im saying what Portland thought they had. They were building around a "big 3" of Roy, Oden and LMA. They thought (as did most folks) that Oden was going to be a perennial All Star and potential super star Center when they took him and even after his initial injuries. Oden never panned out due to injuries and Roy ended up getting hurt as well, pushing LMA into that #1 spot.

They thought that before he even put on a uniform. Once he put on the uniform he was useless, a walking injury. The talk before his rookie season was just that: talk. Oden never got the opportunity to show that he was all-star caliber. So if you want to call LMA the #3 option, fine. But that was only in the 3 months after the draft in 2007.
 

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I hope we get Fredette in the first round. Forget big men (How many ever end up even being usable?) we could use a guy who can score since our offense has taken a hit. Give Fred some screens and let him pop those sweet jumpers in Phoenix!!

I think he will end up a pg and a very good one. He reminds me so much of a young Nash.
 

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What and who could the Suns offer Denver that wouldn't strip us down for a serious run the next 2-3 years?

First rounder and...well we don't have a desired power forward to offer. So first rounder and who? Denver knows they will just lose out on Anthony. He would have to agree to a long term of course.

I wonder if Mello would even want to come here.

I am not a big Mello fan. He's not the volume shooter that AI was but in the same vein.
 

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I don't see any convincing argument that Phoenix has anything to offer Carmelo that Denver doesn't for the most part. If he wants to go back east in general or to New York in particular, Phoenix doesn't solve that. Sure if he came here the Suns would jump to contender status, but not to the top--and the same could be said for any number of other teams.
 
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Try to stay on topic, this is a thread about the 2011 draft and not a trade for Melo thread.

That said Fredette has JJ Reddick written all over him. He gets some assists because he is a prolific college scorer but I don't see real passing skills in him or anything that would tell me he could turn into a Nash type PG.
 

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Try to stay on topic, this is a thread about the 2011 draft and not a trade for Melo thread.

That said Fredette has JJ Reddick written all over him. He gets some assists because he is a prolific college scorer but I don't see real passing skills in him or anything that would tell me he could turn into a Nash type PG.

I can see that argument. Nash was considered more of a shooter than passer coming out of college. I seem to remember that Redick was more of a catch and shoot type of player. From what I have seen of Fredette, he seems to be able to make things happen with the ball in his hands. His passing skills seem good to me.

I am certainly not the expert here and the draft always seems to be sort of a crap shoot. So I find your opinion on this interesting.
 
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Steve Nash averaged 17/6 in college and 21/6.4

He was never the scorer Fredette was but a much better passer, Fredette gets assists because he draws so much attention at the college level.

When Reddick came out some people also thought he would be able to play PG in the league.

Fredette would be a good pick for a good team that needs a niche player but I don't think for us a team that needs to look for a franchise player.
 

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Steve Nash averaged 17/6 in college and 21/6.4

He was never the scorer Fredette was but a much better passer, Fredette gets assists because he draws so much attention at the college level.

When Reddick came out some people also thought he would be able to play PG in the league.

Fredette would be a good pick for a good team that needs a niche player but I don't think for us a team that needs to look for a franchise player.

I wonder which of the two had a better supporting cast to which he could distribute the ball? Isn't Fredette averaging 4.3 or so assists? His assist numbers are similar to Rajon Rondo in college, but Rondo had much better players surrounding him.
 
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When Reddick came out some people also thought he would be able to play PG in the league.

no one in their right mind thought this. please show me ANY evidence of the above.
 

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Steve Nash averaged 17/6 in college and 21/6.4

He was never the scorer Fredette was but a much better passer, Fredette gets assists because he draws so much attention at the college level.

When Reddick came out some people also thought he would be able to play PG in the league.

Fredette would be a good pick for a good team that needs a niche player but I don't think for us a team that needs to look for a franchise player.

Yes, we need to find a franchise player. And no, we're NOT going to find it in the draft.
 
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no one in their right mind thought this. please show me ANY evidence of the above.

Yes they did, Orlando even tried him at PG sometimes.

He wasn't clear cut PG prospect but many thought he could make the transition. Just like some people thought that of Westbrook and others called them insane.

Redick averaged 27/2.6 in his senior season playing off the ball mostly, Fredette is putting up 27/4. Statistically similiar though Redick was on a much better team. Hard to say how Redick would have fared on a team as the lone star.

I see a lot of similiarities between Fredette and Redick as prospects.

And honestly even if Fredette was the next Steve Nash, I think I'd rather have the next Chris Paul so to say.
 
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Says who? We found Amare in the draft, franchise player I would say.

Because 1) We aren't going to get the #9 pick, and 2) We aren't going to luck into an Amare-type player. If you think we will, you're set up for massive disappointment.
 
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Because 1) We aren't going to get the #9 pick, and 2) We aren't going to luck into an Amare-type player. If you think we will, you're set up for massive disappointment.

Oh since "know-it-all" Chaplin says so it's a lock then.

#9 pick doesn't look too unrealistic bc anyone knows we will soon drop a bunch in a row again.
 

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Because 1) We aren't going to get the #9 pick, and 2) We aren't going to luck into an Amare-type player. If you think we will, you're set up for massive disappointment.

:yeahthat:
 

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