2011 Draft Thread

[JCSunsfan]

Oh dear god no. Gallinari has no superstar potential. It's doubtful if he has allstar potential.

That lineup is horrible. It is like the Knicks roster of the first part of this year only much worse and without Amare and giving up 3 first round picks.

I am with you on this one, Slin. Wow.

 

[sunsfan88]

Oh dear god no. Gallinari has no superstar potential. It's doubtful if he has allstar potential.

That lineup is horrible. It is like the Knicks roster of the first part of this year only much worse and without Amare and giving up 3 first round picks.

Except with a defensive big man...And I'm sure if you asked any Knicks fans they would say they'd have been a contender with Gortat and that lineup in the beginning of the season.

And yea I was probably going overboard with the Galinarri thing but he can still be a very good player.

 

[SirStefan32]

Suns send Pietrus, Brooks, Lopez, Warrick, 2011 1st rd pick, 2012 1st rd pick & 2013 1st rd pick to Denver.

Denver sends us Felton, Gallinari, Koufos + fillers.

*Assuming we trade Nash for a 1st rd pick then we send Denver the ORL pick. Then we draft Thompkins with the 1st rd pick and draft a SG like Justin Holiday (excellent defender, good 3 pt shooter aka Raja Bell) in the 2nd rd.

Our lineup:

Felton, Dowdell/rookie
Holiday, Dudley
Gaillinari, Childress
Frye, Thompkins
Gortat, Koufos

Gallinari has the potential to be a superstar in this league so once he hits his full potential, we'll be a legit contender.

This allows Denver to resign Chanlder and not worry about Gali cause he's a free agent next season anyways and teams would be throwing big $$$ at him.

That is awful.

 

[leclerc]

Yeah, he is. For a guard he's a great rebounder and much less of a liability on D than Brooks and he's proven time and again that he's a clutch player. However, I seriously doubt that he (or Kylie Irving or Nolan Smith-the other PG's that slinslin talks of) will last anywhere near our Orlando pick. Kemba might make it to the late teens but none of these guys will be available in the mid to late 20's IMO.

Irving might not even come out this season. He was considered a top 5 pick/one year player initially but he missed a lot of games so who knows. I'd probably take all three of these guys over Brooks but Aaron was once highly touted also. And, as I mentioned, I doubt any of them will be available for the pick that we traded away.

Well I looked up that and Aaron Brooks was selected 26th overall by Houston.

Right now (and I figure it's a weaker draft) Kemba and Nolan Smith is early 20's on nbadraft.net and 8th and 22nd on draftexpress.com, but I agree with you thinking they won't be available in the mid twenties range.

We need a stud scorer on the perimeter who plays defense (someone like Joe Johnson would be nice, lol). Just a shooter won't cut it. I'd also like to exchange Warrick and some wings for a power forward who would challenge Frye for the starting job. We need a lot of pieces to contend and weirdly none of them a center. Just pick best player available. Alec Burks or Billy Buford could be allright.

Too bad Pietrus don't recognize a good shot or else he'd be my front runner for taking over after Grant Hill retires.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Well I looked up that and Aaron Brooks was selected 26th overall by Houston.

Right now (and I figure it's a weaker draft) Kemba and Nolan Smith is early 20's on nbadraft.net and 8th and 22nd on draftexpress.com, but I agree with you thinking they won't be available in the mid twenties range.

We need a stud scorer on the perimeter who plays defense (someone like Joe Johnson would be nice, lol). Just a shooter won't cut it. I'd also like to exchange Warrick and some wings for a power forward who would challenge Frye for the starting job. We need a lot of pieces to contend and weirdly none of them a center. Just pick best player available. Alec Burks or Billy Buford could be allright.

Too bad Pietrus don't recognize a good shot or else he'd be my front runner for taking over after Grant Hill retires.

It's definitely a weaker draft than usual at the top but this is not a weak draft beyond that. There are a lot of quality players likely to come out this year (depending on the CBA negotiations) and I'd be very surprised if Kemba made it to anywhere near the low 20's.

Smith WAS a likely pick to drop to the late first or even into the second round as a 2 guard but he's handled himself fairly well at the point in Irving's absence. He has some weaknesses (quickness, athleticism are not top level) and if he drops to the mid to late first round it will be because of his pre-draft workouts. And, if that's the case, it's a good indicator that he can't play the point at the NBA level in which case we don't want him even if he does drop.

I still maintain that Brooks (healthy) is probably better than any PG that makes it to Orlando's pick. Aaron dropped for the same reason all undersized PG's drop. Small PG's miss much more often than they hit in the NBA especially once they began taking a daily pounding. I don't want him as our starter though for that very reason.

Steve

 

[leclerc]

I can't see Brooks as our starter either. Not in the long run. Good player if he accepts coming off the bench though.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Just my opinion, but I believe Jimmer Fredette will be a top level pg in the nba. He will be a shoot first pg, but he has a tremendous court sense, is very crafty with his stop, start, and misdirection movement just like Nash. He can score from anywhere on the court and can create his own shot. He can shoot from 3 range with just the slightest crease. He gets tremendous lift on his jumper that allows him to play like he is 3-4 inches taller.

Take a look.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiR5tt8qub8&feature=player_embedded

 

[jagu]

I'm all for getting Fredette, not because I have high hopes for him or anything because I am not a draft pick fan and I think finding someone in the mid to late first round that can make a serious impact on a team is not that common. I just wanna see him heave up 35 foot 3 point shots and stuff like that. It would be fun, at least for a while.... I'll get to hype him up as the next coming of Nash to my Knick fan friends who all hype up Fredette as well. Who knows he may surprise us.. remember when people knocked guys like Hansbrough, Budinger? Those guys are way better than Earl Clark.

 

[BC867]

Fredette is a very impressive Shooting Guard on offense. But a good "2" Guard is a lot easier to find than our more urgent needs for next year.

A backup Center and a backup Power Forward.

Hopefully, Aaron Brooks will fill the Point Guard position if Nash is dealt or be able to be a 24-minute per game backup if he stays. If not, that would be a third need for the team. All before a Shooting Guard, to be a balanced team.

 

[SirStefan32]

Fredette is a very impressive Shooting Guard on offense. But a good "2" Guard is a lot easier to find than our more urgent needs for next year.

A backup Center and a backup Power Forward.

Hopefully, Aaron Brooks will fill the Point Guard position if Nash is dealt or be able to be a 24-minute per game backup if he stays. If not, that would be a third need for the team. All before a Shooting Guard, to be a balanced team.

I somewhat disagree regarding the biggest needs next year.

While I am disappointed with Lopez, I think he is fine as a back-up Center. Gortat is a monster who was easily play 40 minutes per game, so I am not too worried about a back-up for him. If push comes to shove, bring in Dwayne Jones- he can rebound, play D, and block some shots.

Power forward position is interesting. Fry is actually doing an OK job, even on defense. Phoenix desperately need another PF though, as Warrick is atrocious defensively. I think the Suns are at a crossroad here- they need to decide if they want to go after a very good SG, or if they want to go after a good PF- For example- Jason Richardson at SG, or Paul Milsap or David West at PF.
If they go with a SG, we still need a back-up for Fry. If they go with a PF like Milsap or West, I am not sure where they will find minutes for Frye.
Either way, they definitely need another PF.

The biggest need, in my opinion, is a SG/SF that can score consistently, shoot high percentage from three-point range, and be able to create his own shot. I absolutely love Dudley and Chilli, but neither one of them is good enough to be that go-to scorer.
Now, if they can get a PF who can score in the low post consistently, then Dudley and Chilli at 2 and 3 are fine, but I would really prefer to have someone like Jason Richardson at 2.

We'll see what happens with Nash. Brooks is fine as a backup if he pulls his head out of his ass. Having said that, we do need another PG in case brooks and/or Nash leave.

It's really hard to talk about the Suns' needs in the draft as we don't know what's happening with Nash, and we don't know what they will get for VC's expiring contract.

Honestly, when you are picking in the 10-15 range, you just have to take the best player available.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I somewhat disagree regarding the biggest needs next year.

While I am disappointed with Lopez, I think he is fine as a back-up Center. Gortat is a monster who was easily play 40 minutes per game, so I am not too worried about a back-up for him. If push comes to shove, bring in Dwayne Jones- he can rebound, play D, and block some shots.

Power forward position is interesting. Fry is actually doing an OK job, even on defense. Phoenix desperately need another PF though, as Warrick is atrocious defensively. I think the Suns are at a crossroad here- they need to decide if they want to go after a very good SG, or if they want to go after a good PF- For example- Jason Richardson at SG, or Paul Milsap or David West at PF.
If they go with a SG, we still need a back-up for Fry. If they go with a PF like Milsap or West, I am not sure where they will find minutes for Frye.
Either way, they definitely need another PF.

The biggest need, in my opinion, is a SG/SF that can score consistently, shoot high percentage from three-point range, and be able to create his own shot. I absolutely love Dudley and Chilli, but neither one of them is good enough to be that go-to scorer.
Now, if they can get a PF who can score in the low post consistently, then Dudley and Chilli at 2 and 3 are fine, but I would really prefer to have someone like Jason Richardson at 2.

We'll see what happens with Nash. Brooks is fine as a backup if he pulls his head out of his @#!*% . Having said that, we do need another PG in case brooks and/or Nash leave.

It's really hard to talk about the Suns' needs in the draft as we don't know what's happening with Nash, and we don't know what they will get for VC's expiring contract.

Honestly, when you are picking in the 10-15 range, you just have to take the best player available.

It seems strange to say that the Suns look pretty good at C, but they do. They need to bring in someone else if Lopez is traded.

I also agree that Frye has developed into a quality all-around pf. He is much more valuable that we might think. Its because he has gradually grown into the job. We do need a backup. I would think a backup pf/c would be available in free agency.

Yes. I also agree with the 2/3 need. Jason Richardson or a similar player would fill the bill. Free agency should provide someone available.

Our biggest need is at pg and that is probably what we should draft. Dowdell is an adequate backup, and so is Brooks. If Brooks comes back healthy he might be able to be a starter. There are several quality pg prospects in this draft and we should be able to get a decent one. Fredette or Walker maybe.

 

[BC867]

Our biggest need is at pg and that is probably what we should draft ... Fredette or Walker maybe.

Even though Jimmer Fredetts is 6'2"-195, isn't he strictly a Shooting Guard?

In the long YouTube video that was posted, every highlight was of him scoring, except for one pass at the very end.

 

[SirStefan32]

Even though Jimmer Fredetts is 6'2"-195, isn't he strictly a Shooting Guard?

In the long YouTube video that was posted, every highlight was of him scoring, except for one pass at the very end.

He started off as a pure shooting guard, but he's developed PG skills. I think he can turn out to be a very nice backup.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Even though Jimmer Fredetts is 6'2"-195, isn't he strictly a Shooting Guard?

In the long YouTube video that was posted, every highlight was of him scoring, except for one pass at the very end.

He is a shooting guard because he is the entire byu offense basically. He has developed some nice pg skills and I believe that will be his role in the NBA. He definitely has the ball-handling ability. He has demonstrated the passing ability.

 

[chickenhead]

I think he would be an exciting pick, especially for the Suns. And picking a great shooter in that range appeals to me more than reaching for a big. But for his own sake I hope he develops more PG skills as well. Not to knock BYU or their competition, but creating your own show in the MWC is different than in the NBA.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I think he would be an exciting pick, especially for the Suns. And picking a great shooter in that range appeals to me more than reaching for a big. But for his own sake I hope he develops more PG skills as well. Not to knock BYU or their competition, but creating your own show in the MWC is different than in the NBA.

Well, there is certainly a huge difference between college basketball and the NBA but the MWC is a solid conference and BYU played a very respectable schedule. Their SOS was something like 20th and I'm sure U of A would just as soon never see the kid again.

Steve

 

[SirStefan32]

Interesting article about Fredette:
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/14849329/jimmers-ncaa-exploits-pushing-nba-expectations-too-high

 

[slinslin]

Luckily fredette will be picked by Utah with NJ pick.

 

[chickenhead]

Well, there is certainly a huge difference between college basketball and the NBA but the MWC is a solid conference and BYU played a very respectable schedule. Their SOS was something like 20th and I'm sure U of A would just as soon never see the kid again.

Steve

That's why I didn't wan to knock them! I just think Fredette will have to adjust to not having the space he often has now, if only because of his defender's size and athleticism.

Or, he may totally adjust and look like Maravich out there.

 

[jagu]

Luckily fredette will be picked by Utah with NJ pick.

I wonder what is +/- would look like in the NBA?

 

[BC867]

'Interesting comments about Fredette regarding BYU's loss to Florida in overtime today and his potential in the draft.

They seem to consider him to be a one-dimensional scorer coming off the bench in the NBA -- a tweener.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110325/ap_on_sp_co_ga_su/bkc_ncaa_byu_florida

 

[Cheesebeef]

tank the rest of the season, let God FINALLY smile on us, win the lotto, draft Derrick Williams and set up your front court of Williams-Frye-Gortat for the future. that could be a dominant front line in three years time.

 

[SirStefan32]

I wonder what is +/- would look like in the NBA?

 

[slinslin]

Naw I mean this will be the weakest draft ever because someone said so a few months ago and people keep repeating it just because there has not been a clear cut #1 pick from the beginning of the season since Harrison Barnes was used as a role player at UNC beginning the year.

Derrick Williams and Kemba Walker are putting up monster performances in the NCAA Tournament, also Fredette and other players like Barnes and Knight have stepped up.

 

[Evil Ash]

Naw I mean this will be the weakest draft ever because someone said so a few months ago and people keep repeating it just because there has not been a clear cut #1 pick from the beginning of the season since Harrison Barnes was used as a role player at UNC beginning the year.

Derrick Williams and Kemba Walker are putting up monster performances in the NCAA Tournament, also Fredette and other players like Barnes and Knight have stepped up.

Have either of these guys declared for the draft yet or have I missed something?

There is still a very good chance that some of these players WILL NOT enter the NBA draft due to the likely upcoming lockout. Most players enter the draft for their payday but if there are no games, there is no payday.

Its not like players have skipped out due to CBA uncertainty. I mean I can't wait to see what Andrew Luck does with the Carolina Panthers. Oh wait ...