2011 Draft Thread

[sunsfan88]

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Aaron Brooks represents Plan B. I'd love to see him finish this season in our starting lineup (along with Gortat and Dudley) and have Steve either shut it down so his groin injury can recuperate or play twelve minutes coming off the bench at the beginning of the 2nd and 4th quarters

I agree with that.

 

[sunsfan88]

I don't think Cleveland would do it, but I'd definitely consider it. Hickson might be better than anything we can get in the late lottery and Lopez is just dead weight with almost negative value.

We would still need to figure something out about the C position because Warrick sure can't play it and Frye is too good now to make him the backup C. He's earned the starting PF spot.

We could probably just draft a backup center in the 2nd, or call back Dwayne Collins.

Pryzbilla would also be an option.

 

[Chaplin]

We could probably just draft a backup center in the 2nd, or call back Dwayne Collins.

Pryzbilla would also be an option.

If NY's pick in the 2nd is worse than 55 overall, we get it. Otherwise, we don't have any 2nd rounders in 2011 or 2012.

 

[sunsfan88]

If NY's pick in the 2nd is worse than 55 overall, we get it. Otherwise, we don't have any 2nd rounders in 2011 or 2012.

Oh come on man, late 1st rounders (28-30) and 2nd rounders are always bought out if there are offers on it.

And we also have Dwayne Collins, don't forget that.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Dwayne-Collins-5071/

Him & Lawal (both good rebounders) can spend time at backup C.

 

[Chaplin]

Oh come on man, late 1st rounders (28-30) and 2nd rounders are always bought out if there are offers on it.

And we also have Dwayne Collins, don't forget that.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Dwayne-Collins-5071/

Him & Lawal (both good rebounders) can spend time at backup C.

You're kidding right? Lawal isn't big enough to be a C. Did you ever see him play? For that matter, where have you seen Collins play for the last 9 months?

 

[SweetD]

It looks like will have our pick and sending the Rockets the pick from the Magic. With no second rounder. I would say we have to try to package our pick & player to move up unless we hit the lotto and get up to into #8-10 range. I would like to see us go after Perry Jones from Baylor. Kinda like Amare was coming out but has a much better jump shot. Still will be a project and need to add bulk but has a very good Shoot % on preaty poor team.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WcbIPgU38Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U08uTuXW6Ww&NR=1

has a 7'2.5" wingspan !

 

[jagu]

Earl "cough" Clark... I can look like Jimmer Fredette in a mix tape as well if I made one. To know how you should never trust mix tapes on youtube, just search

Chris Duhon mixtape

 

[sunsfan88]

Draft Nolan Smith. If we don't trade for Felton, he's my pick to be our future PG.

 

[elindholm]

besides the point that none of those guys will make even half of what Brooks will ask for.

You keep bringing this up as though "what Brooks will ask for" is relevant. It isn't. The probability of him getting an offer for more than the MLE -- or whatever the equivalent is in the new CBA -- is very close to zero. Considering that the new labor agreement is very likely to adjust salaries downward, my guess is that the starting salary for the MLE equivalent will be no more than $5.5 million. And that's if someone offers Brooks that much. Yes, it's still a generous salary, but it's quite a bit short of the $7-8 million you keep getting up in arms about.

 

[slinslin]

Draft Nolan Smith. If we don't trade for Felton, he's my pick to be our future PG.

Yeah sure draft Noal Smith in the lottery as our future PG. You must know college bball.

 

[sunsfan88]

My bad I keep thinking our pick will be the ORL pick. I forget that its gonna be lottery.

In that case we should strongly consider Brandon Knight. A very good shooter but he needs a bit more work on his passing game. He can still run the pick & roll efficiently though and its hard to be a playmakin PG in John Calipari's offense. Tough defender and is clutch too.

 

[slinslin]

It doesn't really matter if we find the PG of the future.

We need anything of the future right now.

That one of Brandon Knight, Terrence Jones, Kemba Walker is available is probably the best you can hope for at #12-14..

 

[slinslin]

My prospect ranking


1. Perry Jones PF 19 years old 6'11
2. Harrison Barnes SG/SF 18 years old 6'8
3. Kyrie Irving PG 19 years old 6'2 *
4. Derrick Williams F 19 years old 6'9
5. Enes Kanter F/C 18 years old 6'11 *
6. Jared Sullinger PF 19 years old 6'9
7. Brandon Knight PG 18 years old 6'3
8. Kemba Walker PG 20 years old 6'
9. Alec Burks SG 19 years old 6'6
10. Jonas Valanciunas C 18 years old 6'11 *
11. John Henson PF 20 years old 6'10 *
12. Terrence Jones F 19 years old 6'8 *

* wouldn't touch them even Irving who appears great but if we draft that high I'd rather take Barnes or Perry Jones than taking a Duke PG.

Brandon Knight could move up to #4 on my list I guess, don't see the the rest changing much unless Williams measures in at 6'10.

The top 9 or top 10 to me is much more desirable than sitting at #11-13 and picking between Henson and Jones and the guys on the list below.. I am very hopeful that Utah will take Jimmer Fredette in the lottery however which would push everything back a bit.

There is also a decent chance one of the other Euros sky-rockets up the draft charts such as Vesely, Motiejunas or Mirotic.

If Sullinger really does not enter the draft then we better not win another game this season.

If Kanter and Valanciunas were not Euros this draft would be regarded much higher. Also the fact that Kanter was ruled ineligible for Kentucky. Otherwise he might be the clear #1 pick right now since he is a legit 6'11 C/F prospect with inside game and size. Valanciunas also isn't the typical Euro, he is 6'11 240lbs or so an quiet muscular. Those 2 guys could easily be drafted #1 depending on workouts.

After that in whatever order...

Nikola Mirotic PF 20 years old 6'10
Jan Vesely F 20 years old 6'11
Jordan Hamilton SF 20 years old 6'7
Tristan Thompson PF 20 years old 6'9
Motiejunas F/C 20 years old 7'
Kwahi Leonard SF 19 years old 6'7
Marcus Morris PF 21 years old 6'9
Markieff Morris PF 21 years old 6'10
Jimmer Fredette PG 22 years old 6'2
Nolan Smith PG 22 years old 6'3
CJ Leslie SF 19 years old 6'8
Patric Young PF 19 years old 6'9
Tyler Zeller PF/C 21 years old 6'11
Josh Selby SG 20 years old 6'2
Bismack Aboyo PF 18 years old 6'10

 

[PhxGametime]

My current Draft Prospect list:

1. Derrick Williams F Arizona
2. Kyrie Irving PG Duke
3. Harrison Barnes SF North Carolina
4. Jared Sullinger PF Ohio State
5. Terrence Jones F Kentucky
6. Alec Burks G Colorado
7. Brandon Knight G Kentucky
8. Kemba Walker PG Connecticut
9. Perry Jones F Baylor
10. John Henson F North Carolina
11. Tristan Thompson PF Texas
12. Jan Vesely PF
13. Mason Plumlee F/C Duke
14. Kawhi Leonard SF San Diego State
15. Jimmer Fredette PG BYU
16. Jordan Hamilton SF Texas
17. Tyler Zeller F/C North Carolina
18. JaJuan Johnson PF Purdue
19. Patric Young F/C Florida
20. Trey Thompkins PF Georgia
21. Kenneth Faried PF Morehead State
22. C.J. Leslie F North Carolina
23. Nolan Smith G Duke
24. Chris Singleton F Florida State
25. Marcus Morris PF Kansas
26. Thomas Robinson PF Kansas
27. Tyler Honeycutt G/F UCLA
28. Travis Leslie SG Georgia
29. Nikola Vucevic F/C USC
30. Darius Morris PG Michigan


I change about every few days though and haven't seen any International Prospect outside of Vesely. Also lots of players in NCAA haven't gotten to watch - I pretty much keyed on Prospects before starting watching again last 2 years (back to 50 DVD's a year lol) but I just Love the Draft and all (not an expert).

 

[slinslin]

I am curious why you have Perry Jones so low. I see him worst case Anthony Randolph, best case a better Chris Bosh.

Perry Jones was one of the most efficient college players. He just happened to be on a terrible Baylor team with horrible PG play. He is very athletic, 6'11 230-240lbs, 7'3 wingspan has good ball handling skills for a big man, good range, decent jumpers for such a young big. The potential is immense.

Put him next to Nash for his rookie season and he has a chance to repeat what Amare did as a rookie if you ask me.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Perry-Jones-5713/

has a good scouting video, Baylor just did not use him very well. I hope you are right though, because if Kanter and Valanciunas go top 7 as they should that could mean Jones would be in reach for us even if Sullinger does not declare and Fredette does not get overdrafted by Utah.

 

[PhxGametime]

Lucky #9 for the Suns (Majerle, Marion, Stoudemire) lol but I nearly forgot about him when was at #8 (was doing list off of memory), i usually have him after Jared Sullinger around #5-6.


He's the Prospect that could drop a few slots that I'd want the most or Terrence Jones; or if Nash gets Traded: Kemba Walker or Brandon Knight would then be #9 lol


#13 is where the Suns (last time checked) are slotted at though and i like Mason Plumlee's size, athleticism, and defense there... Henson, Thompson, Plumlee, Vesely, Zeller, J Johnson, Singleton, C Leslie, Thompkins, Robinson, etc. are my ideal choices and if Nash gets Traded adding a PG with that Pick.


I wish I had more film on some of the combo guards and PG's etc. though - i thought the Suns were settled in most of the year at that position and I didn't get to see the Boston College kid at all. Demetri McCamey, Malcolm Lee, Iman Shumpert, etc. (examples) I wish i had more game-film of because i remember Russell Westbrook moving up Draftboards quick and these are some of the 1st Round bubble guys.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Lucky #9 for the Suns (Majerle, Marion, Stoudemire) lol but I nearly forgot about him when was at #8 (was doing list off of memory), i usually have him after Jared Sullinger around #5-6.


He's the Prospect that could drop a few slots that I'd want the most or Terrence Jones; or if Nash gets Traded: Kemba Walker or Brandon Knight would then be #9 lol


#13 is where the Suns (last time checked) are slotted at though and i like Mason Plumlee's size, athleticism, and defense there... Henson, Thompson, Plumlee, Vesely, Zeller, J Johnson, Singleton, C Leslie, Thompkins, Robinson, etc. are my ideal choices and if Nash gets Traded adding a PG with that Pick.


I wish I had more film on some of the combo guards and PG's etc. though - i thought the Suns were settled in most of the year at that position and I didn't get to see the Boston College kid at all. Demetri McCamey, Malcolm Lee, Iman Shumpert, etc. (examples) I wish i had more game-film of because i remember Russell Westbrook moving up Draftboards quick and these are some of the 1st Round bubble guys.

If we trade Nash, I would expect a pick to come back with him. We should then pick whatever pg falls. Right now Kemba Walker is all over the mocks. Some have him top 10 and others in the 20's.

 

[Mainstreet]

Just thinking the Suns touted draft with Sarver as owner was Lopez and Dragic. Pretty sad. No wonder the Suns are where they are.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

I don't know if this has been discussed, but it looks like we're going to settle in at about #12 and MAYBE #11 by the time we lose a few more games. I think that we're projected at #13 right now, but this team is losing steam, so jumping up to #11 is a small possibility, but #12 is, IMO, likely.

So, with that positioning, we're out of range for Jared Sullinger, who I think would work well with Gortat. That leaves players like Tristan Thompson and Markieff Morris as potential PFs for the Suns. I don't do college basketball, but Thompson seems to risk being Hakim Warrick and Morris is the lesser of twin brothers (AGAIN!). However, with Morris, he is bigger and a true projected PF whereas Marcus Morris is smaller and a more of a tweener even if he is more talented.

1) We MUST get a PF, but is the best option to get a PF via trade or FA or is it wise to go with Thompson or Morris?

2) If we draft a PF, can we acquire a 2 or a 3 who is an offensive minded starter?

3) If we acquire a PF via trade or FA, can we draft a game-ready 2 or 3 with our late lottery pick?

Thanks.

 

[slinslin]

We don't have to get a PF.

We have to get the best player available for our future. Next season must be the first transition year. Lets not again have a mediocre season because we are not going to get in the playoffs so easily and we will never be a contender with the make-up of this team right now.

Either of the Morris brothers or Thompson is a reach in the lottery.

 

[slinslin]

If a team offered a top 5 pick for Marcin Gortat in this draft would you do it?

His production over the last 3 months and his contract might fetch such a pick or more in this years draft.

 

[SirStefan32]

We don't have to get a PF.

We have to get the best player available for our future. Next season must be the first transition year. Lets not again have a mediocre season because we are not going to get in the playoffs so easily and we will never be a contender with the make-up of this team right now.

Either of the Morris brothers or Thompson is a reach in the lottery.

I agree. Draft the best player available.

If a team offered a top 5 pick for Marcin Gortat in this draft would you do it?

His production over the last 3 months and his contract might fetch such a pick or more in this years draft.

I would not trade Gortat in that Scenario.

 

[slinslin]

I think I'd rather have Derrick Williams, Perry Jones, Harrison Barnes, Irving or Kanter than Gortat just because all those guys are about 8 years younger and we should be rebuilding.

But teams with plenty of prospects that need a center might prefer to have a sure thing player in Gortat at a position that is shallow in the NBA.

Gortats value will probably never be higher than what it is right now.

It's obviously a pipedream but what if Toronto, Sacramento, Minnesota or Utah was willing to give up their pick for Nash in some sort of scenario? Most likely Toronto.
And a team needing a center such as Minnesota or Toronto would give up theirs for Gortat in some sort of deal.

 

[Cheesewater]

I think I'd rather have Derrick Williams, Perry Jones, Harrison Barnes, Irving or Kanter than Gortat just because all those guys are about 8 years younger and we should be rebuilding.

But teams with plenty of prospects that need a center might prefer to have a sure thing player in Gortat at a position that is shallow in the NBA.

Gortats value will probably never be higher than what it is right now.

I have to ask, even though if the answer should be "yes" you probably would say "no"...but here goes anyway...are you insane?

You add to current value (Gortat) to make a better team. You don't trade value for potential if you don't have excess value at that position. The Suns have a good center for the first time in....forever...and you would trade it away. Yikes.

 

[slinslin]

I have to ask, even though if the answer should be "yes" you probably would say "no"...but here goes anyway...are you insane?

You add to current value (Gortat) to make a better team. You don't trade value for potential if you don't have excess value at that position. The Suns have a good center for the first time in....forever...and you would trade it away. Yikes.

Yes because we are not going to be any good within the next 3 years with what we have, Gortat or not.

And I predict that Gortats value right now is the highest it will ever be.

Well I saw some Minnesota fans thinking about moving their pick for Nash and Lopez so I have a little bit of hope that we can do something on draft day to avoid another mediocre season with an old team.

So would you trade Gortat for Perry Jones, Derrick Williams or Harrison Barnes?
Would you trade Nash for Perry Jones, Derrick Williams or Harrison Barnes?

I would and if you got Knight, Burks or Walker with our own pick that would be one heck of a young nucleus regardless of who calls this draft weak.