2011 Offseason Thread

[Mainstreet]

How does being Polish have anything to do with that?

Nothing that is why Gortat left Poland for the German league and played there for 4 years and then left the Germany league for the NBA.

There is often a bond between countryman. I have found it true of many Europeans. It doesn't matter where they play basketball, they often forge strong national identity. A strong Polish following has already developed around Gortat.

 

[sunsfan88]

Then we should maybe get Beaubois from Dallas and pair him with Pietrus.

Isn't Pietrus his mentor or something too?

 

[Mainstreet]

Then we should maybe get Beaubois from Dallas and pair him with Pietrus.

Isn't Pietrus his mentor or something too?

I like Beaubois not so much Pietrus.

I'm just saying we got this Polish connection going and we might as well roll with it. Lampe fills a need.

 

[Cheesewater]

There is often a bond between countryman. I have found it true of many Europeans. It doesn't matter where they play basketball, they often forge strong national identity. A strong Polish following has already developed around Gortat.

Unless you stink (Vujacic) and your national team cuts you in favor of a young dude who can actually play (Dragic).

 

[Errntknght]

slinslin,

Lampe is not NBA material. Never was never will be.

Disagree with you on that. He was very young his first stint with us and suffered from a terrible case of 'shootitus'. He's not a bad defender though he was overly fond of switching on the P & R. It sounds like he's matured and that should have reduced those two problems. If he just plays within his limitations I'd take him over Robin - he's a better shot, a better rebounder and probably a better defender.

I like him paired with Gortat, who can kick his butt when he gets away from doing what he should.

 

[slinslin]

He had 3 years in the league with 3 different teams, more than enough chances.

You have likely never seen him play since but you like him.. Childress was a very good player in europe and in the euro league you see where that goes.

Yeah Lampe is a better rebounder and defender than Robin Lopez based on what? ridiculous..

 

[BC867]

Yeah Lampe is a better rebounder and defender than Robin Lopez based on what? ridiculous..

Y'know, it's human nature to hope that, when one player shows he's deficient in a couple of important aspects (even playing six or twelve minutes per game), there is someone on the horizon who perform better.

Ya don't root for your team in order to be depressed.

I welcome hearing about any hope of a solid backup at Center next season, whether it's a changed Lopez, a Lampe or whoever else.

 

[Zbigniew]

T Does anyone know what his Euro contract looks like?

He earrned about 1.5 million $ for season

 

[Zbigniew]

2010–11
Croatia Marko Popović Russia UNICS Kazan

There are your final MVPs. Lampe not among them but how many of those do you even know?

I haven't watched the finals, but I've heard an opinion from Russian journalist, that Lampe was simply the best, and nomination for Popović was the result of huge quantity of Croatian journalists voting "un bloque" for him

 

[Errntknght]

He had 3 years in the league with 3 different teams, more than enough chances.

You have likely never seen him play since but you like him.. Childress was a very good player in europe and in the euro league you see where that goes.

Yeah Lampe is a better rebounder and defender than Robin Lopez based on what? ridiculous..

Mostly based on my observations of both of them playing. I watched every minute that Lampe played for the Suns and typically I paid close attention to him. I saw a bit of his play in summer league a year or two after his stint with the Suns - he wasn't as prone to putting up a shot at every opportunity as when he was here.

You are arguing with me, based on Childress, I presume... now that is indeed, to quote you, ridiculous. (I guess, for you, thats not really ridiculous, as you watch Gortat and Lopez and rank Robin above Marcin.)

 

[JCSunsfan]

He had 3 years in the league with 3 different teams, more than enough chances.

You have likely never seen him play since but you like him.. Childress was a very good player in europe and in the euro league you see where that goes.

Yeah Lampe is a better rebounder and defender than Robin Lopez based on what? ridiculous..

Big men often do not blossom until 25-26. He would be well worth a look. Its also why we should not give up on Lopez so quickly unless, combined with Nash, he gets us something valuable in trade return.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Mostly based on my observations of both of them playing. I watched every minute that Lampe played for the Suns and typically I paid close attention to him. I saw a bit of his play in summer league a year or two after his stint with the Suns - he wasn't as prone to putting up a shot at every opportunity as when he was here.

You are arguing with me, based on Childress, I presume... now that is indeed, to quote you, ridiculous. (I guess, for you, thats not really ridiculous, as you watch Gortat and Lopez and rank Robin above Marcin.)

To be fair, there is plenty of evidence to suggest that slin does not allow his opinion to be impacted by first hand knowledge. His pro-Robin/anti-Marcin stand is based solely on a blind application of the very few stats that support his position.

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

Also it would behoove the Suns to bring back Lampe for a look as the Suns were reportedly looking to trade Lopez before the trading deadline. They may be still looking to use Lopez in a trade for a PF thus they might need to add another center.

 

[Mainstreet]

No, microfracture tries to repair existing cartilage but there is none. Doctors can't help Roy, he is simply done.

Brandon Roy rides again against Dallas in games 3 and 4. Maybe he is not quite done.

 

[Covert Rain]

To be fair, there is plenty of evidence to suggest that slin does not allow his opinion to be impacted by first hand knowledge. His pro-Robin/anti-Marcin stand is based solely on a blind application of the very few stats that support his position.

Steve

Shouldn't people get credit for searching high and far against mounds of evidence to come up with that one stat that support their position?

I think you undervalue random stats with no correlation.

 

[Mainstreet]

Shouldn't people get credit for searching high and far against mounds of evidence to come up with that one stat that support their position?

I think you undervalue random stats with no correlation.

Yes, people who research stats should get credit for doing so. However, using just those stats that only support one position and ignoring the stats that point another direction is not being very objective.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Yes, people who research stats should get credit for doing so. However, using just those stats that only support one position and ignoring the stats that point another direction is not being very objective.

I'm pretty sure it was sarcasm.

Steve

 

[AzStevenCal]

Shouldn't people get credit for searching high and far against mounds of evidence to come up with that one stat that support their position?

I think you undervalue random stats with no correlation.

Nice line.

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm pretty sure it was sarcasm.

Steve

I get caught time and again for taking certain posts too seriously.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I get caught time and again for taking certain posts too seriously.

Yeah, you have to be careful on this board. I have it on good authority that at least a few people like to go fishing around here just to see who bites.

Steve

 

[Covert Rain]

I'm pretty sure it was sarcasm.

Steve

Usually I like to include this .......but I was being lazy.

 

[Folster]

Now that Memphis has resigned Randolph, I wonder if there's a chance we could snag Darrell Arthur. He has shown flashes when given minutes. His game kind of reminds me of LaMarcus Aldridge. He's still on his rookie contract for a couple years, so it would likely be difficult to acquire him. We don't have much to offer outside of Lopez.

I'm also starting to think that Jamal Crawford could be a solid starting 2 for us next year. I think he could be had for the MLE which is all we could offer. He'd definitely be an upgrade over Carter, and I think he'd like the opportunity to start.

 

[slinslin]

We don't need more MLE type role players.

We have enough role players tying up a majority of our capspace (Dudley, Warrick, Frye, Gortat, Childress, Brooks?, Crawford?). You can't build a team with just role players and those guys would probably use up 90% of the salary cap.

Plus I think Crawford couldn't co-exist with Nash. He loves the ball in his hands, he loves to isolate, he loves to take bad shots.

I don't really see the upgrade over Vince either. It wouldn't be much, Vince wasn't that bad for the most part.

 

[BC867]

Vince wasn't that bad for the most part.

Wasn't that bad for the most part is hardly a ringing endorsement. How bad is that bad?

The ol' "Gee, for a fat girl, you sure don't sweat a lot" comment.

He can't jump anymore. He was inconsistent, at a position that requires a steady 20 points per night. And he was no longer a clutch shooter, especially during the 2nd half.

He didn't acclimate beyond the two guys he came with in the trade.

He was brought here to put on a show for the balance of the season, then be gone. But he was just a bust! He was that bad . . . for most of the most part.

 

[Magnus]

Mostly based on my observations of both of them playing. I watched every minute that Lampe played for the Suns and typically I paid close attention to him. I saw a bit of his play in summer league a year or two after his stint with the Suns - he wasn't as prone to putting up a shot at every opportunity as when he was here.

You are arguing with me, based on Childress, I presume... now that is indeed, to quote you, ridiculous. (I guess, for you, thats not really ridiculous, as you watch Gortat and Lopez and rank Robin above Marcin.)

I've watched Lampe play against Cedevita in the Eurocup semi-finals, and he is not NBA material. Too insecure around the ball, not worth getting. He is good for Euro basketball, but not for NBA.