2013 Qb

[az jam]

If Rivers is available for trade, lost of teams besides the Cards would be interested, teams like the Jets, Browns, Eagles, Jaguars and perhaps even the 49ers. Some team will not doubt overpay in a trade to get him.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

If Rivers is available for trade, lost of teams besides the Cards would be interested, teams like the Jets, Browns, Eagles, Jaguars and perhaps even the 49ers. Some team will not doubt overpay in a trade to get him.

That's not true. He's only allowed to be traded to the Cardinals .

 

[az jam]

That's not true. He's only allowed to be traded to the Cardinals .

So glad to hear that. His price will certainly go down. Perhaps, Doucet, Kolb and a 4th rounder.

 

[kerouac9]

If Rivers is available for trade, lost of teams besides the Cards would be interested, teams like the Jets, Browns, Eagles, Jaguars and perhaps even the 49ers. Some team will not doubt overpay in a trade to get him.

Brandon Weeden has actually been fairly adequate the last several weeks. Don't tell anyone.

 

[az jam]

Brandon Weeden has actually been fairly adequate the last several weeks. Don't tell anyone.

However, he was drafted by Holmgren. They have a new owner and president and he has stated that he doesn't want to wait 5 years to be a playoff team.
Rivers could move that up quickly. But If Weeden continues to improve, he could be the guy.
I just hope that we don't lose DC Horton to them. I'm sure they will interview him for HC as I can't see them staying with Pat Shurmur.

 

[kerouac9]

However, he was drafted by Holmgren. They have a new owner and president and he has stated that he doesn't want to wait 5 years to be a playoff team.
Rivers could move that up quickly. But If Weeden continues to improve, he could be the guy.
I just hope that we don't lose DC Horton to them. I'm sure they will interview him for HC as I can't see them staying with Pat Shurmur.

If ownership wants to win now, that would be a poor choice. They just started converting to a 4-3 after being in a 3-4 for a little while.

We're more likely to lose Keim than Horton, IMO. Depends really on whom their owner likes and has worked with in the past.

 

[Chopper0080]

If Rivers is available for trade, lost of teams besides the Cards would be interested, teams like the Jets, Browns, Eagles, Jaguars and perhaps even the 49ers. Some team will not doubt overpay in a trade to get him.

Jets: Maybe, but then Sanchez is available for peanuts.

Browns: Weeden has looked good and there is some serious defensive talent at the top of this draft. He will get a 2nd year.

Eagles: Maybe, but Rivers is not mobile like Reid prefers.

Jaguars: Gabbert has a torn labrum(sp?). He will get another year.

49ers: Maybe.

Chiefs: Are a option, but don't see the Chargers dealing in division, even though I wouldn't care.

 

[Cards_Campos]

I like....But could you imagine how good we would be and for the future if the Cardinals had pulled the Washington trade for RG3. His scrambling and passing would have us easy 7-0....and as bright a future as any team has had in the last 10 years. We tried after Manning....We need to try sfter the next big thing. If Whiz is going to be here...He needs an elite QB to carry his system.

 

[Buckybird]

I like....But could you imagine how good we would be and for the future if the Cardinals had pulled the Washington trade for RG3. His scrambling and passing would have us easy 7-0....and as bright a future as any team has had in the last 10 years. We tried after Manning....We need to try sfter the next big thing. If Whiz is going to be here...He needs an elite QB to carry his system.

I brought up sending three #1s & three #2s (alternating) for Luck or RGIII & was laughed off the board. IMO when you get the chance for 2 QBs like this basically no price is too high when they turn out to be great which I think both will.

 

[WildBB]

THe other thing about Rivers is his personality, people don't like him. If he plays great that'll be trivial, but he can be a divisive guy the way he blames his OL and Wr's for everything. Can you imagine him here this season?

Interesting to think about but it'd have to be a fire sale situation IMO.

He also has his moments of complete and utter meltdown. He'll force things he shouldn't.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Jets: Maybe, but then Sanchez is available for peanuts.

Browns: Weeden has looked good and there is some serious defensive talent at the top of this draft. He will get a 2nd year.

Eagles: Maybe, but Rivers is not mobile like Reid prefers.

Jaguars: Gabbert has a torn labrum(sp?). He will get another year.

49ers: Maybe.

Chiefs: Are a option, but don't see the Chargers dealing in division, even though I wouldn't care.

Dude... if the Eagles continue to be a shambling wreck on offense, it won't matter what Reid wants because he'll probably be run out of town on a rail.

 

[Mulli]

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Imagine the board meltdown if Rivers fumbles a snap in position to win the game.

 

[daves]

I believe you would have a better argumement for acquiring Mark Sanchez

Wow, a couple of people have mentioned potentially acquiring Sanchez. With a career passer rating 5 points lower than Kolb's, and 10 points lower than Kolb's with Arizona, on a team with a better running game and defense... what value would he offer aside from possibly durability (and even that's questionable considering that he only endures sacks at about half the rate Kolb has)?

Not saying i'm happy with Kolb, just that i see Sanchez as one of the few starting QBs in the league who would be a downgrade. I CERTAINLY don't see any reason to give up any compensation for him, nor to to pay him a veteran starter's salary while also carrying Kolb's salary or the cap impact of cutting him.

...dave

 

[kerouac9]

Wow, a couple of people have mentioned potentially acquiring Sanchez. With a career passer rating 5 points lower than Kolb's, and 10 points lower than Kolb's with Arizona, on a team with a better running game and defense... what value would he offer aside from possibly durability (and even that's questionable considering that he only endures sacks at about half the rate Kolb has)?

Not saying i'm happy with Kolb, just that i see Sanchez as one of the few starting QBs in the league who would be a downgrade. I CERTAINLY don't see any reason to give up any compensation for him, nor to to pay him a veteran starter's salary while also carrying Kolb's salary or the cap impact of cutting him.

...dave

I hear what you're saying, but what, exactly, does QB rating have to do with running game and defense? Does having a good defense somehow increase your yardage totals or completion percentage?

 

[Jetstream Green]

Sanchez completely sucks, the thought we would bring him in made me sick...please stop the madness..please

 

[Chopper0080]

Wow, a couple of people have mentioned potentially acquiring Sanchez. With a career passer rating 5 points lower than Kolb's, and 10 points lower than Kolb's with Arizona, on a team with a better running game and defense... what value would he offer aside from possibly durability (and even that's questionable considering that he only endures sacks at about half the rate Kolb has)?

Not saying i'm happy with Kolb, just that i see Sanchez as one of the few starting QBs in the league who would be a downgrade. I CERTAINLY don't see any reason to give up any compensation for him, nor to to pay him a veteran starter's salary while also carrying Kolb's salary or the cap impact of cutting him.

...dave

Why Sanchez? He has started 55 of 56 games in the past 4 seasons. He has a career 64/58 TD to INT ratio with 52/38 if you discount his rookie season. Also, he has thrown for 10662 yards. There is consistency and production there and he will turn 26 this month. He is not a perfect option, but he is young and is about 5 mill cheaper than Rivers. Oh yeah, New York hates him.

 

[Mulli]

Why Sanchez? He has started 55 of 56 games in the past 4 seasons. He has a career 64/58 TD to INT ratio with 52/38 if you discount his rookie season. Also, he has thrown for 10662 yards. There is consistency and production there and he will turn 26 this month. He is not a perfect option, but he is young and is about 5 mill cheaper than Rivers. Oh yeah, New York hates him.

 

[kerouac9]

Why Sanchez? He has started 55 of 56 games in the past 4 seasons. He has a career 64/58 TD to INT ratio with 52/38 if you discount his rookie season. Also, he has thrown for 10662 yards. There is consistency and production there and he will turn 26 this month. He is not a perfect option, but he is young and is about 5 mill cheaper than Rivers. Oh yeah, New York hates him.

That's the upside. The downside is that he's never had a single-season completion percentage above 56.7 and his career YPA is 6.5.

Barnwell did an interesting stat that was something like the number of wins that a quarterback created adjusted by the strength of his defense. Joe Flacco had exactly as many victories as you would expect based on the performance of his D. Mark Sanchez was by far the quarterback that benefitted the most in the W/L column from having a great D.

I like Mark Sanchez. I think he's better than the "he sucks!" camp gives him credit for. But I wouldn't trade anything more than a 2nd round pick for him. I think he has less potential than Kevin Kolb. Or Alex Smith. :ducksforcover:

 

[Chopper0080]

That's the upside. The downside is that he's never had a single-season completion percentage above 56.7 and his career YPA is 6.5.

Barnwell did an interesting stat that was something like the number of wins that a quarterback created adjusted by the strength of his defense. Joe Flacco had exactly as many victories as you would expect based on the performance of his D. Mark Sanchez was by far the quarterback that benefitted the most in the W/L column from having a great D.

I like Mark Sanchez. I think he's better than the "he sucks!" camp gives him credit for. But I wouldn't trade anything more than a 2nd round pick for him. I think he has less potential than Kevin Kolb. Or Alex Smith. :ducksforcover:

You should duck for cover. I'm not a big Sanchez fan, but I think he has to be an option considered if we are looking to add a veteran QB via trade. As you said, his cost would be far less than Rivers and I think he could improve in an offense that puts the ball in his hands and has weapons for him to throw to. Our running game is garbage, but we do have passing options. Also consider if we were able to offer a 2014 2nd rounder which allowed us to use our first rounder on a player like Luke Joeckel, Chance Warmack or Jake Matthews.

Kevin Kolb & Alex Smith belong on the Matt Cassell Island of Misfit QBs IMO. Sanchez is younger than both and has shown more. Again, he is not a great player, but if the idea is a quick fix with a QB who has won in the playoffs and will allow us to keep our first rounder, he might be the only option.

 

[Chopper0080]

Tony Romo is option #1 for me if we are looking to trade for QB, but there just aren't many options.

Personally, I am in the "trade up for Tyler Wilson" camp.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I like Tyler Wilson. Romo? He makes too many bone head decisions at the worst possible time, he is too much of Cardinal already...acquiring him would be like throwing gasoline on a fire lol

 

[kerouac9]

Tony Romo is option #1 for me if we are looking to trade for QB, but there just aren't many options.

Personally, I am in the "trade up for Tyler Wilson" camp.

I don't think we're "Looking to trade for a QB." I think that if Phil Rivers is on the market, you have to think about it. If a player of Phil Rivers' caliber isn't out there to be had, you don't go shopping for another terrible deal.

Since Phil Rivers isn't going to be available for trade, I'm vice-chairman of the the Tyler Wilson 2013 campaign. CBus gets to submit his name to the convention, but I get to second it.

 

[juza76]

I like Tyler Wilson. Romo? He makes too many bone head decisions at the worst possible time, he is too much of Cardinal already...acquiring him would be like throwing gasoline on a fire lol

what do u see in tyler wilson that u like him so much. do u know klein kansas state qb..i read is in hunt for heisman trophy

 

[az jam]

Tony Romo is option #1 for me if we are looking to trade for QB, but there just aren't many options.

Personally, I am in the "trade up for Tyler Wilson" camp.

I think Wilson could be there when we pick. There are several rated higher than him, of course that can change. The top 4 rated qbs are Geno Smith-- WVU, Barkely- USC, Logan Thomas - Virginia Tech and Tyler Wilson - Arkansas.

I don't see any of them equal to Luck or RG3 and doubt if any will be the first pick in the draft.
Bowl games, the Combine and workouts as we know can change everything.

Bottom line is I think there should be some of these guys available when we pick and I don't mean top 5.

 

[kerouac9]

I think Wilson could be there when we pick. There are several rated higher than him, of course that can change. The top 4 rated qbs are Geno Smith-- WVU, Barkely- USC, Logan Thomas - Virginia Tech and Tyler Wilson - Arkansas.

I don't see any of them equal to Luck or RG3 and doubt if any will be the first pick in the draft.
Bowl games, the Combine and workouts as we know can change everything.

Bottom line is I think there should be some of these guys available when we pick and I don't mean top 5.

Someone is going to start for the Kansas City Chiefs in 2013. Cassel is done and Brady Quinn has been named the starter. That franchise is toast.

NFLDraftScout.com (CBS's guys) only has Barkley, Smith, and Wilson rated as first-rounders.