2014 Draft morphing

[JCSunsfan]

Since our last thread on the draft was about the lotto, and we are probably not going to draft in the lottery, I thought a new one was in order.

Just some thoughts. Wiggins is falling. Interesting to see how things change from the college pre-season hype. While Wiggins is still a great prospect, he is not nearly what people thought. In fact the estimation of this entire draft is falling somewhat.

No one in this class is as highly regarded as No. 1 picks Anthony Davis (2012), Kyrie Irving (2011), John Wall (2010), Blake Griffin (2009) or Derrick Rose (2008). To get right to it, as a Western Conference personnel guy put it: “If you called up the Pelicans, the Cavs or any of those teams and offered this year’s No. 1 pick for their guy, they’d fall over laughing.” - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#sthash.14JFLjxT.dpuf

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhei...ggins-and-entire-class-of-14-arent-that-good/

I am just wondering if the Suns should consider Jordan Bachynski with a second round pick. He is just massive, has a good healthy frame, seems reasonably mobile and blocks alot of shots without having to leap much. He is averaging 13 pts, 9.4 boards, and 4.6 blocks in 30 mins a game. He just seems to be flying under the radar, I think because all the pundits don't think much of seniors.

 

[elindholm]

I seriously doubt that the Bulls would laugh at this year's #1 offered for Rose. That Forbes article must be from a while ago.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I seriously doubt that the Bulls would laugh at this year's #1 offered for Rose. That Forbes article must be from a while ago.

The article is dated 1/12/2014

Any thoughts on Bachynski?

 

[Russ Smith]

I still think Wiggins is going to be really good but if he doesn't get a mean streak he may never reach his potential.

I like Bachynski but not sure what his NBA potential is. he's very well coached, keeps the ball up high, keeps his hands up on D etc. Last night Norman Powell got a pass inside and took one step to go up and dunk it. He didn't elevate like normal but you could see the shock on his face when he realized Bachynski was easily blocking the shot. Later Powell did dunk on him but Bachynski moved aside to avoid the poster.

He seems to have a nice touch, UCLA got killed by him last year, last night we threw both Wears at him and doubled.

Side note, boy did Carson look bad last night. UCLA was throwing bigger guards at him and doubling him on every ball screen he was really flustered, 2 assists 4 turnovers 4-17 from the floor. I'm starting to wonder if he's injured, he doesn't seem as quick this year as last?

 

[elindholm]

The article is dated 1/12/2014

Hmm, well then someone is in denial about the bleakness of Rose's prospects going forward -- the author of the article, the Bulls, or both.

 

[Gaddabout]

No, no, no on Bachynski. I'm an ASU fan. No way.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Since our last thread on the draft was about the lotto, and we are probably not going to draft in the lottery, I thought a new one was in order.

Just some thoughts. Wiggins is falling. Interesting to see how things change from the college pre-season hype. While Wiggins is still a great prospect, he is not nearly what people thought. In fact the estimation of this entire draft is falling somewhat.

No one in this class is as highly regarded as No. 1 picks Anthony Davis (2012), Kyrie Irving (2011), John Wall (2010), Blake Griffin (2009) or Derrick Rose (2008). To get right to it, as a Western Conference personnel guy put it: “If you called up the Pelicans, the Cavs or any of those teams and offered this year’s No. 1 pick for their guy, they’d fall over laughing.” - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#sthash.14JFLjxT.dpuf

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhei...ggins-and-entire-class-of-14-arent-that-good/

I am just wondering if the Suns should consider Jordan Bachynski with a second round pick. He is just massive, has a good healthy frame, seems reasonably mobile and blocks alot of shots without having to leap much. He is averaging 13 pts, 9.4 boards, and 4.6 blocks in 30 mins a game. He just seems to be flying under the radar, I think because all the pundits don't think much of seniors.

Agreed on the no superstar thing. I think Embiid goes #1 and Parker #2. Wiggins could be McGrady or Paul George but he also could be Gerald Green. Aaron Gordon is slipping on some draft boards but for me at least you know you'll get a decade of elite defense, athleticism, and energy out of him even if he doesn't become a good shooter.

I hope you're kidding about Bachynski.

 

[SirStefan32]

No, no, no on Bachynski. I'm an ASU fan. No way.

Why not? He can rebound. Rebounding is one thing that usually translates well from College to the NBA. If someone can rebound and block a shot or two in limited minutes and all it costs you is a second round pick, that sounds like a good deal to me.

 

[Mainstreet]

I have not studied the players in the 2014 draft much, but I would think if the talent is disperse, this should benefit the Suns with possible mutiple picks.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I hope you're kidding about Bachynski.

Actually, no, I am not kidding. He is playing at NCAA division 1 level, he has improved significantly every years he has played, he is scoring 13 a game, he is rebounding at a great rate for a college player and he is blocking shots at a phenomenal rate for a player at any level. To put it in perspective, compared to Alex Len, he is a better scorer, rebounder, shot-blocker (by far), and is taller.

Honestly, I am not a big fan of his in particular, but I am puzzled about why he doesn't really seem to be on anyone's radar.

 

[Mainstreet]

Actually, no, I am not kidding. He is playing at NCAA division 1 level, he has improved significantly every years he has played, he is scoring 13 a game, he is rebounding at a great rate for a college player and he is blocking shots at a phenomenal rate for a player at any level.

Honestly, I am not a big fan of his in particular, but I am puzzled about why he doesn't really seem to be on anyone's radar.

I agree. We are talking about a second round pick if the Suns have any in the 2014 draft. He would be worth a look. Second round picks are hit and miss. I don't think he could be any worse pick than Alex Oriakhi, a second round pick in last year's draft. I never thought Jeff Ayres would be successful in the NBA so it's hard to tell sometimes.

 

[devilalum]

I saw a discussion on ESPN with Simmons and some others and they were saying how they didn't think there would be the elite prospects at the top that everybody was talking about a few months ago but they thought this draft would be the deepest in years.

Sounds like a great year to have 3 or 4 mid to late round picks.

 

[Phrazbit]

This wont be a popular opinion with the ASU posters but I think Jahii is a non prospect. Bigger guards smother him and deny him his looks from the outside and his handles are not good enough to get around faster players. If there is an NBA equivalent of the baseball idea of a AAAA player I think Carson fits the bill. He can torch weak competition but against NBA competition I think his max potential is a poor man's Eddie House.

 

[Mainstreet]

This wont be a popular opinion with the ASU posters but I think Jahii is a non prospect. Bigger guards smother him and deny him his looks from the outside and his handles are not good enough to get around faster players. If there is an NBA equivalent of the baseball idea of a AAAA player I think Carson fits the bill. He can torch weak competition but against NBA competition I think his max potential is a poor man's Eddie House.

What makes you think ASU posters can't be impartial. I too have my doubts about Jahii Carson's ability to play in the NBA although I think he might be interesting as a backup PG.

 

[slinslin]

I am wondering if Randle is really better than someone like Morris or Sullinger.

But I really like Parker, Wiggins and Embiid.

Also Kyrie Irving is incredibly overrated, I'd much rather have the #1 pick.

 

[sunsfan88]

Did most of you attend ASU?

 

[JCSunsfan]

This wont be a popular opinion with the ASU posters but I think Jahii is a non prospect. Bigger guards smother him and deny him his looks from the outside and his handles are not good enough to get around faster players. If there is an NBA equivalent of the baseball idea of a AAAA player I think Carson fits the bill. He can torch weak competition but against NBA competition I think his max potential is a poor man's Eddie House.

I am an ASU fan, but more of a Suns fan. But I agree with you on Jahii. I think the primary issue for him on the next level will be his size and a poor man's Eddie House hits the nail on the head.

 

[ProdigalSun]

But I really like Parker, Wiggins and Embiid.

I think those are the best 3 prospects right now as well. Draft.net's most recent mock has guys like James Young and Aaron Gordon being available around our picks and I think both those guys would be a nice fit in this system.

 

[JS22]

I agree. We are talking about a second round pick if the Suns have any in the 2014 draft. He would be worth a look. Second round picks are hit and miss. I don't think he could be any worse pick than Alex Oriakhi, a second round pick in last year's draft. I never thought Jeff Ayres would be successful in the NBA so it's hard to tell sometimes.

I still have a hard time calling him that.

 

[JS22]

I am an ASU fan, but more of a Suns fan. But I agree with you on Jahii. I think the primary issue for him on the next level will be his size and a poor man's Eddie House hits the nail on the head.

I know that this is a terrible comparison to make, but a lot of people said the same thing about Harden.

 

[Russ Smith]

This wont be a popular opinion with the ASU posters but I think Jahii is a non prospect. Bigger guards smother him and deny him his looks from the outside and his handles are not good enough to get around faster players. If there is an NBA equivalent of the baseball idea of a AAAA player I think Carson fits the bill. He can torch weak competition but against NBA competition I think his max potential is a poor man's Eddie House.

I'm wondering if he's hurt, he doesn't look as quick this year. Last year UCLA had Drew and couldn't stay in front, this year both powell and LaVine were able to. Now they had help, but he just seemed like he wasn't as quick. I wonder if he's throttled it down to save himself for the NBA, or if he's just hurt?

He was a freak athlete lightning quick end to end and jump out of the gym. Sunday was the first time I'd seen him in about a month and I was startled by how UCLA was able to guard him that easily.

I don't see House because he was a shooter, Carson is a scorer.

 

[hcsilla]

Carson reminds me of Isaiah Thomas.

 

[Mainstreet]

I still have a hard time calling him that.

Same here.

 

[Mainstreet]

I know that this is a terrible comparison to make, but a lot of people said the same thing about Harden.

I was one of those who thought Harden was overrated.

 

[SirStefan32]

I think those are the best 3 prospects right now as well. Draft.net's most recent mock has guys like James Young and Aaron Gordon being available around our picks and I think both those guys would be a nice fit in this system.

Young would be my choice. Wouldn't touch Gordon with a ten-foot pole. No more tweeners.

Young and Glenn Robinson are the two guys I want that may be available. Jerami Grant is intriguing as well. Not many big men are available though. Payne or Vonleh maybe with a later pick?