2014 NBA Finals Spurs/Heat

AzStevenCal

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It's really sad how people try so hard to diminish a LeBron.

There are a lot of things about Lebron that I don't like but when I start listing them I sound petty. I wish the world were in balance so that I could go back to being petty but the abuse he takes is way over the top. NBA fans and not-so-fans have treated drunken drivers, wife beaters, rapists and murderers better than they do this guy.

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There are a lot of things about Lebron that I don't like but when I start listing them I sound petty. I wish the world were in balance so that I could go back to being petty but the abuse he takes is way over the top. NBA fans and not-so-fans have treated drunken drivers, wife beaters, rapists and murderers better than they do this guy.

Steve
In a society that has denigrated to the haves and have-nots, I don't like that LeBron colluded with Bosh to join Wade in the hope of 4-5 championships. And the way he publicly handled leaving Cleveland.

It is up to General Managers, not ballplayers, to put together championship teams.

I don't think that's petty. He is getting paid obscenely well to be in the limelight. If he wanted to be treated better, he shouldn't be a professional jock. And an arrogant, manipulative one at that.

I think he is getting what he deserves. What do you think?
 
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Let's just say what happened. Miami not only underestimated San tan, they were even out of shape. Supporting casts be damned because Miami went out and got a bunch of names, while San tan stacked their pine with some players. The egos that filled up the Miami locker room gives me much respect to whom ever built that locker room, it with stood like the Spurs did.
Lebron is a great player, once the Spurs took the game out of his hands by throwing the ball around like a hackey sack, he didn't have a hackey sack team to play with. He looked alone, showed what he was capable of in spurts, and then quit trying to be "Jordaness" by purely distributing the rock at times, hiding in important quarters that mean the most... one of his biggest oldest knocks.

Jordan, Magic, Bird, they made talent out of figuring out what their team mates were good at. Bill Cartwright played on the Bulls. They also demanded the best out of their team mates 24/7 if they wanted to play on the same court. They boosted egos, Lebron says some nice stuff on camera but that team is quick to let Lebron try and die on his own, like Kobe was for a minute.

Not only was Lebron out of shape, he was out of shape with his team, that coasted East Coast style. All the while Pops didn't have the "current" talent that Miami did, the Spurs was old and crusty and got beat last year, which is what people always remember. Back to back titles surrounded by a great team suddenly turns into poor Lebron, he doesn't have anybody around him... but he just got beat by team ball!

Talented yes, best player on the planet? I think it's between him and Durant right now but neither can demand excellance and force their teams to play to the best of their capabilities, not like the other greats have. The current NBA is talented no doubt, but ego filled talent will lose to fundamental universal basketball, especially when Pops is involved.

As they say, rant over.
 
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Rant extended..

What would you do if you knew the team planned on passing the ball 880 times, every time coming down court? You sit somebody to babysit the rim while letting the other 4 guys jump the passing lanes, and punish them for passing the ball so much. This requires tons of stamina, because you have to recover if your wrong and you don't have any help, except for near the paint. Miami never even tried to defend the passing lanes, never even got called for one 3 second violation, even as they were being violated. Most lop sided Finals I ever saw, and I seented it with my own eyes. Lebron is supposed to be some genius, but he doesn't figure out you have to defend the pass, even after like 12 straight quarters of pure embarrassment?
 

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In a society that has denigrated to the haves and have-nots, I don't like that LeBron colluded with Bosh to join Wade in the hope of 4-5 championships. And the way he publicly handled leaving Cleveland.

It is up to General Managers, not ballplayers, to put together championship teams.

why? and you don't think Riley had a HUGE impact on putting those guys together? they couldn't have come together if Riley didn't completely clear salary cap room, trade players, get experienced vets in there, convince Haslem to take a pay cut.
 

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There are a lot of things about Lebron that I don't like but when I start listing them I sound petty. I wish the world were in balance so that I could go back to being petty but the abuse he takes is way over the top. NBA fans and not-so-fans have treated drunken drivers, wife beaters, rapists and murderers better than they do this guy.

Steve

It's ridiculous. And I honestly feel that a lot of the hate comes from Laker fans (who can't stand the thought that LeBron may actually better than Kobe) and the rest of the NBA fans follow them.

It's hilarious watching LeBron get all the criticism for losing to the Spurs while nobody gives a damn about Wade's pathetic performance.
 

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It's ridiculous. And I honestly feel that a lot of the hate comes from Laker fans (who can't stand the thought that LeBron may actually better than Kobe) and the rest of the NBA fans follow them.

It's hilarious watching LeBron get all the criticism for losing to the Spurs while nobody gives a damn about Wade's pathetic performance.
Because LeBron didn't just leave Cleveland, he was a loud, obnoxious traitor to them. He brought on the criticism himself in his outspoken effort to manipulate a dynasty as a ballplayer.

If a General Manager did it, he'd be applauded, because that is his job. A ballplayer's job is to . . . play ball.
 

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Because LeBron didn't just leave Cleveland, he was a loud, obnoxious traitor to them. He brought on the criticism himself in his outspoken effort to manipulate a dynasty as a ballplayer.

If a General Manager did it, he'd be applauded, because that is his job. A ballplayer's job is to . . . play ball.

why? that seems an awful lot like slavery to me. a ball players job is play ball and put himself in the best position to win, and if that means finding another spot to do that, so be it...ESPECIALLY when those who are supposed to be doing that job (the GM) are completely incompetent, like Cleveland's Front Office was (and still is judging by how awful they've been since he left).
 

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Because LeBron didn't just leave Cleveland, he was a loud, obnoxious traitor to them. He brought on the criticism himself in his outspoken effort to manipulate a dynasty as a ballplayer.

If a General Manager did it, he'd be applauded, because that is his job. A ballplayer's job is to . . . play ball.

It was a bad team, run by incompetents. He didn't just play out his contract. He played out his first contract and then signed up for another tour. But still, they surrounded him with subpar talents. When his time was up the second time, he understandably left for greener pastures. He handled his exit poorly. He was what, 25 years old? He listened to the wrong people and made some blunders. In the scheme of things though, they were pretty minor. People put Kobe's self serve approach to women out of their mind in far less time than they have Lebron's "Decision". Explain that.

He deserves some criticism. He's shown his age and immaturity several times now. What he's getting goes far beyond reason though.

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There are a lot of things about Lebron that I don't like but when I start listing them I sound petty. I wish the world were in balance so that I could go back to being petty but the abuse he takes is way over the top. NBA fans and not-so-fans have treated drunken drivers, wife beaters, rapists and murderers better than they do this guy.

It was a bad team, run by incompetents. He didn't just play out his contract. He played out his first contract and then signed up for another tour. But still, they surrounded him with subpar talents. When his time was up the second time, he understandably left for greener pastures. He handled his exit poorly. He was what, 25 years old? He listened to the wrong people and made some blunders. In the scheme of things though, they were pretty minor. People put Kobe's self serve approach to women out of their mind in far less time than they have Lebron's "Decision". Explain that.

He deserves some criticism. He's shown his age and immaturity several times now. What he's getting goes far beyond reason though.
Then why is the feeling against LeBron so prevalent? Perception is reality in that a lot of fans have turned on him. He must be doing something wrong.
 

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Then why is the feeling against LeBron so prevalent? Perception is reality in that a lot of fans have turned on him. He must be doing something wrong.

I guess that's one way to look at. I don't have the answer, I just don't understand it. Lebron seems like a pretty decent human being all things considered and an incredible basketball player. There's no denying he has flaws in both areas but we seem to forgive them easier in other players.

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I guess that's one way to look at. I don't have the answer, I just don't understand it. Lebron seems like a pretty decent human being all things considered and an incredible basketball player. There's no denying he has flaws in both areas but we seem to forgive them easier in other players.

Steve
But, Steve, this is more than a player having flaws. Conspiring with another player to join a third on his team is Collusion in the First Degree. Pre-meditated.

And the Spurs handed them their punishment. And the fans loved it. Even Suns fans who previously hated the Spurs.

Pete Rose' gambling on Major League teams while Manager and all the MLB players who were caught using steroids and covering up have been punished by the fans' rejection to the Hall of Fame, because they went too far.

LeBron went too far. And the fans have reacted. 'Seems to make sense.
 

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But, Steve, this is more than a player having flaws. Conspiring with another player to join a third on his team is Collusion in the First Degree. Pre-meditated.

And the Spurs handed them their punishment. And the fans loved it. Even Suns fans who previously hated the Spurs.

Pete Rose' gambling on Major League teams while Manager and all the MLB players who were caught using steroids and covering up have been punished by the fans' rejection to the Hall of Fame, because they went too far.

LeBron went too far. And the fans have reacted. 'Seems to make sense.










Then, wouldn't Bosh and Wade garner the same magnitude of hate?
 

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Then, wouldn't Bosh and Wade garner the same magnitude of hate?
The spotlight was, and is, on LeBron. Both as being the most outspoken about the move and the leader of this NBA's generation.

If it had been Jordan or Bird/Magic, for example, they would have led the parade in hate. The spotlight is the price of fame.
 
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