2014 NBA Playoff thread

[Phrazbit]

Its pretty funny that Doc is screaming that his team got "robbed" and its not because of the 3pt foul, not because of Paul getting stripped... but because he felt the Thunder should have been screwed when the refs didnt call Barnes obvious foul and the Clips should have been rewarded based on a horribly flawed replay system.

NBA refs do suck though. I absolutely think that if this game had been in LA that the Clips would have been awarded that ball.

 

[SO91]

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[Superbone]

The Clippers blew it, plain and simple. They didn't lose this game because of the refs.

 

[Cheesebeef]

man...these refs have been TERRIBLE in the playoffs at the end of games. LeBron clearly raked Pierce across the arm on the three there, just like Barnes raked the guy at the end of the game yesterday...and instant replay made up for the wrong calls by making another wrong call.

this is starting to get embarrassing for the league.

 

[Absolute Zero]

man...these refs have been TERRIBLE in the playoffs at the end of games. LeBron clearly raked Pierce across the arm on the three there, just like Barnes raked the guy at the end of the game yesterday...and instant replay made up for the wrong calls by making another wrong call.

this is starting to get embarrassing for the league.

Yep. Though I contend its been embarrassing for a while now.

 

[Errntknght]

I'm not so sure it's a good rule, because it invites a huge gray area. If the offensive player extends his fingers toward the ball as it's leaving his hand, then it can be hard to judge whether it's still really from the slap that the ball goes out. I think what Clippers fans were annoyed about is that Jackson(?) seemed to be in contact with the ball for a more substantial interval of time than is usual with the slapped-out rule. It was the correct call in the sense of not rewarding the Clippers for committing a foul, but I'm not sure it was correct by a literal definition of the rule. And if we can't interpret what the rule means even with the benefit of slow-motion replay, it's not a good rule.

I think the overall rule is a very good rule because it encourages defenders to make a play on the ball - which they might not do as often if they had to avoid touching the shooters hand that is on the ball.

To be sure there is a gray area but the gray area it avoids, which Steve pointed out, is worse, IMO. Although its not stated, if the slap doesn't knock the ball out of the shooters hands or if it does and he subsequently manages to touch it, the rule should not be invoked. That seems to be the gray area in this case. I don't think they considered the possibility that the defender didn't knock the ball loose and the subsequent touch or not by Jackson's right hand was not conclusive on replay so they let on court call stand. When I watched the replay it didn't look to me like the defender knocked the ball loose, certainly not cleanly.

 

[Superbone]

man...these refs have been TERRIBLE in the playoffs at the end of games. LeBron clearly raked Pierce across the arm on the three there, just like Barnes raked the guy at the end of the game yesterday...and instant replay made up for the wrong calls by making another wrong call.

this is starting to get embarrassing for the league.

Definite double standards in play. Near the end of the game, LeBron was all over Joe Johnson's back trying to guard him. Johnson does the same thing against LeBron on the other end but at about half the impact velocity. Foul.

 

[Bert]

I'm glad the Spurs made quick work of Portland, I really really dislike the Blazers and their whole Rip City schtick...

At this point for me it's all about Miami not getting the 3peat. So it's them vs everyone. I think the Spurs have the best chance to do it so I'm rooting for them.

I'm not sure why, I'm not really a Lebron hater, I just dont like the Heat. Maybe it's 33 years of being a Cardinal fan has altered my DNA to always root for the underdogs.

 

[Russ Smith]

It's almost at the point where they are going to have to add an addendum to the rule that says if while checking a replay you see an uncalled foul or violation(say someone stepped out), you are allowed to give the ball to the team who would have gotten it had it been seen live. You can't go back and call the foul, but the team who committed the uncalled foul can NOT get possession.

It would be unpopular but you have a league full of refs that for 20 years have been not calling the foul and giving the ball to the other team and suddenly on replay that's being overturned. It's going to take awhile to retrain them to call all those fouls.

So with my addendum the refs would have simply said the ball went out off OKC, but it was caused by a foul on the Clips, so it's OKC's ball, and we don't assess any foul.

 

[elindholm]

It would be unpopular but you have a league full of refs that for 20 years have been not calling the foul and giving the ball to the other team and suddenly on replay that's being overturned. It's going to take awhile to retrain them to call all those fouls.

So with my addendum the refs would have simply said the ball went out off OKC, but it was caused by a foul on the Clips, so it's OKC's ball, and we don't assess any foul.

It's a little bit like the "force-out," which as I understand it used to be a rule. You could say that the defensive player forced the offensive player out of bounds, and that it's not foul, but the offensive team retains possession.

 

[desertdawg]

Clippers going to win tonight. I'm a huge Durant fan, I can't stand Blake. But I dig me some Paul and that's just plain messed up what this club has gone through. I want the Thunder to play the Meat but there's a small tiny part of me that rooting for the Clips.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Adams looks like he could be a solid contributor for OKC. He's tough, has decent athleticism and has a nice touch around the basket.

 

[Cheesebeef]

And anyone who even tries to question Blake's passing ability being vastly superior to Aldridge is outta their minds.

Really, anyone questioning whether they'd want Blake or if he's a Superstar is out of their mind. The guy is beyond a stud and is only going to get better.

 

[Russ Smith]

Adams looks like he could be a solid contributor for OKC. He's tough, has decent athleticism and has a nice touch around the basket.

Yep he's going to make Perkins expendable very soon. Tough kid, rebounds, blocks shots and seems to get his role on offense.

 

[Russ Smith]

And anyone who even tries to question Blake's passing ability being vastly superior to Aldridge is outta their minds.

Really, anyone questioning whether they'd want Blake or if he's a Superstar is out of their mind. The guy is beyond a stud and is only going to get better.

Yep, I still wish he wasn't such a cheap shot artist though. He's not dirty, he's not trying to injure people, but he's way too loose with extra stuff. They caught him 3 times last night pushing Ibaka as he was in the air trying for a rebound. i don't think the play Ibaka got hurt was one of them. They caught him pulling down Durant from behind, and some of those great screens Van Gundy was going off about were blatant lower the shoulder cheapshots.

On the play late where Griffin gets called for a charge into Durant(good call) if you watch the replay closely watch what Matt Barnes does to Westbrook near halfcourt. He looks over his shoulder lines him up and then tries to back into and hipcheck Westbrook while at the same time cocking his elbow like he was going to deliver it too. I guess that's 2 UCLA alums who don't appear to like each other although Barnes has always been a dirty player.

The offensive foul on Paul was a terrible call but otherwise down the stretch the Clips were whining about good calls way too much. I think Rivers whining after game 5 got to his team they started playing martyr instead of playing basketball.

 

[Superbone]

Yep, I still wish he wasn't such a cheap shot artist though. He's not dirty, he's not trying to injure people, but he's way too loose with extra stuff. They caught him 3 times last night pushing Ibaka as he was in the air trying for a rebound. i don't think the play Ibaka got hurt was one of them. They caught him pulling down Durant from behind, and some of those great screens Van Gundy was going off about were blatant lower the shoulder cheapshots.

Not to mention his flopping. The way he throws his head back violently when somebody grazes him is comical. Whoops, I mentioned it.

 

[SunsTzu]

Yep he's going to make Perkins expendable very soon. Tough kid, rebounds, blocks shots and seems to get his role on offense.

Perkins has been expendable pretty much from the time he signed that extension.

 

[Russ Smith]

Perkins has been expendable pretty much from the time he signed that extension.

Yep, I should have said extinct not expendable.

 

[Mainstreet]

If it hasn't already been mentioned, Serge Ibaka is expected to miss the rest of the playoffs after suffering a calf injury. This is a huge blow for the Thunder.

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/201...der-expected-miss-rest-postseason-calf-injury

 

[Phrazbit]

Well, I do think Ibaka is overrated and Collison is underutilized... but not to the extent that they'd be better off without Ibaka. Thats a blow.

 

[Russ Smith]

Well, I do think Ibaka is overrated and Collison is underutilized... but not to the extent that they'd be better off without Ibaka. Thats a blow.

Apparently they're plus 5.7 with him in and -2.1 with him out per that link so yeah he's fairly valuable.

I agree that collison is underrated a very solid player. If Adams continues to play this well too it will certainly help but they have far less rim protection now without Ibaka. Adams does block shots but not as well as Ibaka and against Duncan his lack of experience will be a huge issue.

Too bad last year it was Westbrook getting hurt this year Ibaka.

 

[Superbone]

Bad, bad timing. Ouch!

 

[devilalum]

I bet a lot of people are glad the Clips are fishin. Now we can focus and the basketball and let the powers that be deal with the whole Sterling thing.

 

[Mainstreet]

I did not want the Clippers to advance. It had something to with their attitude, a bit arrogant as I perceived it. Too bad the Thunder will not be at full strength as they go forward. I do not see them getting past San Antonio.

 

[Superbone]

Yep, it's looking like a Spurs/Heat rematch to me.