2015-16 Around the NBA

[FArting]

George Karl about to get fired from Sacramento.

 

[Hoop Head]

I think if Sarver really dictated lineups for each game he would just take over the GM position. Honestly, anyone who dislikes Sarver raves about his ego, cheapness, and micromanaging but if he were really that bad why hasn't he taken over basketball operations completely? Clearly he has the ego to do and he's only had "puppets" there since he's bought the team so why not just be the man and save a few million dollars on personnel? We all know he loves to save money.

 

[slinslin]

I really really doubt that Sarver even has time for that..

I also don't recall Hornacek ever saying that he was doing that daily with GM and owner. Give me a source for that because I am pretty sure it is a BC867 fantasy.

The only thing I heard Hornacek saying was that he regularly discussed it with McDonough as they always emphasized that they are very close and communicating etc.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I think we can rule out Toronto as a trade partner for Markieff. It would be hard for a player to not attend training camp or home games. In fact, any easter conference team would have to do without him a few games a year. In if you ever met in the playoffs, it would be problematic.

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[Chaplin]

I think if Sarver really dictated lineups for each game he would just take over the GM position. Honestly, anyone who dislikes Sarver raves about his ego, cheapness, and micromanaging but if he were really that bad why hasn't he taken over basketball operations completely? Clearly he has the ego to do and he's only had "puppets" there since he's bought the team so why not just be the man and save a few million dollars on personnel? We all know he loves to save money.

That's a fallacy perpetrated by people who didn't like the Kurt Thomas deal. Ever since that time, he has been labeled as cheap, but all the other evidence to the contrary disputes that.

He is not cheap, he simply is bad at spending capital with a professional basketball team.

 

[JCSunsfan]

That's a fallacy perpetrated by people who didn't like the Kurt Thomas deal. Ever since that time, he has been labeled as cheap, but all the other evidence to the contrary disputes that.

He is not cheap, he simply is bad at spending capital with a professional basketball team.

I think the cheap reputation came from selling late first round draft picks for cash.

 

[Catlover]

I think the cheap reputation came from selling late first round draft picks for cash.

I agree. And whether that was cheap or not, I don't know. But I do know it was very shortsighted. There's no doubt that the financial situation has been a part of his decision making process but the numbers show the cheap label to be unwarranted. Every ownership group makes decisions with an eye on the finances although obviously they don't all look at the same bottom line. Sarver has spent money in the past and I don't doubt he'd do it again if the right opportunities came along.

I don't think Sarver is anywhere near as bad as most others do. But I still think we'd be better off if he were to sell to the right buyer(s). A new owner with an unblemished reputation and deeper pockets would be ideal. From what I've seen, I believe Robert has stepped away from the operations and mostly allows the decision makers to do their job. I also think his reputation has been blown out of proportion but it isn't good and it will follow him around like a Taylor Swift groupie. We could use a fresh start.

 

[Hoop Head]

That's a fallacy perpetrated by people who didn't like the Kurt Thomas deal. Ever since that time, he has been labeled as cheap, but all the other evidence to the contrary disputes that.

He is not cheap, he simply is bad at spending capital with a professional basketball team.

I don't think he's cheap, I agree he's spent money poorly but that's another issue. He is willing to spend it. I just don't understand the current Sarver hate. He's a fan, like everyone here. It doesn't appear that he's involved in the day to day operations anymore and of course wants a winning team on the floor.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I agree. And whether that was cheap or not, I don't know. But I do know it was very shortsighted. There's no doubt that the financial situation has been a part of his decision making process but the numbers show the cheap label to be unwarranted. Every ownership group makes decisions with an eye on the finances although obviously they don't all look at the same bottom line. Sarver has spent money in the past and I don't doubt he'd do it again if the right opportunities came along.

I don't think Sarver is anywhere near as bad as most others do. But I still think we'd be better off if he were to sell to the right buyer(s). A new owner with an unblemished reputation and deeper pockets would be ideal. From what I've seen, I believe Robert has stepped away from the operations and mostly allows the decision makers to do their job. I also think his reputation has been blown out of proportion but it isn't good and it will follow him around like a Taylor Swift groupie. We could use a fresh start.

I think part of that was his GM at the time--Mike DAntoni. Mike did not like rookies, he was in win now mode and was focused on free agents like Q. I am sure it became clear to Sarver that any rookie picked wasn't going to get any burn and McD wasnt even into the draft that much. So, he figured why pay a player that will never play. He sold the picks and set aside the salary as well. He used that money to sign free agents that DAntoni wanted.

I am sure that to him it was a good business decision, and it wasn't so much about being cheap as much as spending wisely.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I just remember listening to those drafts. It is such a downer to do all the reading and research on rookies coming out, then see some player falling in the draft, and then find out your owner sold the pick.

 

[Ronin]

Jimmy Butler out 3-4 weeks


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[Chaplin]

I don't think he's cheap, I agree he's spent money poorly but that's another issue. He is willing to spend it. I just don't understand the current Sarver hate. He's a fan, like everyone here. It doesn't appear that he's involved in the day to day operations anymore and of course wants a winning team on the floor.

I would have agreed with this wholeheartedly before this season began. Now? I'm not so sure. I always had a high opinion of McD, but the longer we wait on trades and improving the team, the lesser my opinion gets. And that can track back to Sarver as well.

 

[Ronin]

George Karl about to get fired from Sacramento.

From Marc Stein twitter
The Kings scrapped plans to fire George Karl after lengthy meeting Tuesday in Philly between Karl and GM Vlade Divac, sources told ESPN


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[JCSunsfan]

From Marc Stein twitter
The Kings scrapped plans to fire George Karl after lengthy meeting Tuesday in Philly between Karl and GM Vlade Divac, sources told ESPN


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That's a new one. Karl comes back from the brink. I cannot remember that ever happening in the NBA, where a team basically publicly says they are planning to fire a coach and then comes back away from it.

 

[elindholm]

That's a new one. Karl comes back from the brink. I cannot remember that ever happening in the NBA, where a team basically publicly says they are planning to fire a coach and then comes back away from it.

Yeah, that's really weird. Talk about a no-confidence vote.

 

[GatorAZ]

I'm jelly of the Celtics. Third in the east with tons of cap space and a ridiculous amount of quality draft picks. Man Brooklyn is stupid.

 

[Ronin]

K.C. Johnson ‏@KCJHoop
NBA makes it official: Pau Gasol replaces Jimmy Butler in All-Star game.

 

[Ronin]

Clippers suspended Blake Griffin 4 games.

 

[slinslin]

I'm jelly of the Celtics. Third in the east with tons of cap space and a ridiculous amount of quality draft picks. Man Brooklyn is stupid.

none of their young talent looks convincing though. I wouldn't trade Booker for any combination of Celtics players.

I think the Celtics are a mirage, they are where the Suns were 3 years ago only exception is they are not going to lose too much with this success since Brooklyn is sucking for them.

 

[Catlover]

I'm jelly of the Celtics. Third in the east with tons of cap space and a ridiculous amount of quality draft picks. Man Brooklyn is stupid.

I agree except for the bolded part, that one is a nominee for understatement of the century. How in the world they talked themselves into that deal will always be a mystery. I'm pretty sure they could have offered a heavily protected second round pick instead and Boston still would have jumped at the idea just to dump all that salary.

 

[Catlover]

none of their young talent looks convincing though. I wouldn't trade Booker for any combination of Celtics players.

I think the Celtics are a mirage, they are where the Suns were 3 years ago only exception is they are not going to lose too much with this success since Brooklyn is sucking for them.

They have Thomas and a bunch of average players. Maybe they don't have anyone under IT's age that has the potential of Booker but they have a lot of decent young players that have yet to peak. And most importantly they have a bucket load of first round picks coming their way.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Boston would have to worry about IT keeping them from the benefit of the tank. But Brooklyn is tanking for them.

 

[slinslin]

Sullinger will be the first one they lose because they will have to overpay him a lot or let him go.

Their success does not mean much really, they are a treadmill team that makes the playoffs this year but has no chance of winning anything.

Their future hinges on that Brooklyn pick because all the other picks are mediocre.

 

[Hoop Head]

Sullinger will be the first one they lose because they will have to overpay him a lot or let him go.

Their success does not mean much really, they are a treadmill team that makes the playoffs this year but has no chance of winning anything.

Their future hinges on that Brooklyn pick because all the other picks are mediocre.

Boston is a team that doesn't have to worry about the cap much because they have a ton of space and are a large enough market where if they're competing they don't have to worry about the luxury tax. Their history as a franchise helps sell the team as a free agent destination and since they are winning now with a bunch of youngsters and role players it's an easier sell to 1 or 2 franchise quality free agents. Their future is brighter than the Lakers or Knicks because they own their own picks plus a stockpile of other teams picks which allow them to be competitive without bottoming out. They have a GM who is more than capable of turning their assets into pieces to win now, he's done it before. Outside of Golden State they probably have the best immediate future in the NBA, definitely one of the brightest futures in the East.

 

[SirStefan32]

Boston is a team that doesn't have to worry about the cap much because they have a ton of space and are a large enough market where if they're competing they don't have to worry about the luxury tax. Their history as a franchise helps sell the team as a free agent destination and since they are winning now with a bunch of youngsters and role players it's an easier sell to 1 or 2 franchise quality free agents. Their future is brighter than the Lakers or Knicks because they own their own picks plus a stockpile of other teams picks which allow them to be competitive without bottoming out. They have a GM who is more than capable of turning their assets into pieces to win now, he's done it before. Outside of Golden State they probably have the best immediate future in the NBA, definitely one of the brightest futures in the East.

I think it depends on how you define "Bright future." Looking at their roster, I see nothing exciting. Sure, they can attract big-time free agents, but I see nothing on their roster right now that shows they could compete with top teams.