2015-16 Draft Picks to watch...

[slinslin]

I havent watched much college ball this year. Can Okafor play the pf in the NBA? I hear that he is highly skilled. He sounds perfect for an old-fashioned, Kevin McHale style, pf (even early Tim Duncan). Just wondering.

Don't think so. Karl Anthony Towns maybe..

Okafor does not have the range to play PF I think and I am not sure how he would be defensively against PFs.
He has great footwork in the post, but not sure if he has quick feet on defense to cover 4s.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Don't think so. Karl Anthony Towns maybe..

Okafor does not have the range to play PF I think and I am not sure how he would be defensively against PFs.
He has great footwork in the post, but not sure if he has quick feet on defense to cover 4s.

Hmm. Seems to me what we need most is a Kevin Durant type of forward. Long, fast, athletic, with range.

 

[Catlover]

Hmm. Seems to me what we need most is a Kevin Durant type of forward. Long, fast, athletic, with range.

A Kevin Love/Kevin Garnett type would be great. I don't know it there is one. I don't know if it would work but I'd love to see a lineup of Len, Okafor, Warren, Goodwin and Bledsoe.

 

[Russ Smith]

I like Christian Wood but he will need 2-3 years in the weight room if he can get stronger he can be very very good. If not he is best case Channing Frye or Perry Jones or something like that.

Anyway I want Stanley Johnson and Montrezl Harrell despite his lack of height or perimeter game (if the background checks on him are good).

Add two high motor guys, hard workers to our team.

Stanley Johnson (#2-5), Myles Turner (#10-20), Montrezl Harrell (#10-20) are the guys I like.
So Stanley Johnson as trade target and Turner or Harrell with our own pick.

Btw I am not a fan of Karl Towns. He just does not look like a smooth athlete to me. He has some Joakim Noah in his game in a bad herky-jerky way. It makes it hard for me to imagine that he can develop a good offensive game. He is athletic but at the same time he seem to lack coordination.

I have to admit I laughed at that. You don't like Townes because he's not a smooth athlete, but you like Myles Turner? Turner is basically Forrest Gump when his braces were about to come off, he's had all sorts of leg issues coming up. When John Lucas was training him he said he had to literally teach Turner how to bend his legs when he ran because the guy had so many leg issues.

Very good player but my guess is he'll be out of the NBA in 4 years or less I can't see how his body holds up to 82 games a year given his leg issues.

 

[overseascardfan]

Portis seems to be a duplication of Markieff Morris. He is lankier but also a bit softer and maybe a bit less athletic.

With one major exception, Portis is a much better rebounder which is all I would wish for Markieff to become.

 

[JCSunsfan]

A Kevin Love/Kevin Garnett type would be great. I don't know it there is one. I don't know if it would work but I'd love to see a lineup of Len, Okafor, Warren, Goodwin and Bledsoe.

That's what I was getting at earlier. Can Okafor play the pf? If he can have a low post game and be effective out ot 15 feet or so, I could see Okafor and Len coexisting. What I would love is a Kevin Durant type at PF. Long, fast, range. Perfect complement to Len. Let PJ and focus on rebounding.

 

[Russ Smith]

A Kevin Love/Kevin Garnett type would be great. I don't know it there is one. I don't know if it would work but I'd love to see a lineup of Len, Okafor, Warren, Goodwin and Bledsoe.

The intriguing guy in this draft if he actually comes out is Malik Pope from San Diego State. Didn't start a game, was the 8th man, missed a full year with 2 broken legs in HS, and yet one of the CBS experts said pro scouts think he was the 2nd best prospect on the court when SDSU played Duke. He scored 22 points against Colorado State, 4-4 from 3, 7 boards, and after the game had scouts projecting him as a first rounder. That was his first college game in double figures!

he's ridiculously long, jumps well, needs to get much stronger and has missed a ton of time but on sheer talent alone NBA people are projecting him into the first round right now. He said 2 days ago he'll probably come back but the rumor in Sacramento is the family is pushing him to turn pro.

High risk high reward, 2 broken legs but doctors say he's done growing now and that was the issue before his growth plates were still open.

Freak talent, jumps well, NBA range but completely potential right now.

 

[hcsilla]

With one major exception, Portis is a much better rebounder

No, he is not.

Markieff averaged 8.5 rebounds in 24 min., while Portis did 9.1 in 30 mins.

 

[hcsilla]

Agreed on both topics.

Pope seems some cross of Giannis Antetokounmpo and Darius Miles. Multitalented prospect with high potential.

Myles Turner is a rare prospect as a potential shotblocking and 3P-shooting center (ala Raef LaFrentz) but his lateral movement and lack of explosiveness and lift are problems. He has significant bust potential.

The intriguing guy in this draft if he actually comes out is Malik Pope from San Diego State. Didn't start a game, was the 8th man, missed a full year with 2 broken legs in HS, and yet one of the CBS experts said pro scouts think he was the 2nd best prospect on the court when SDSU played Duke. He scored 22 points against Colorado State, 4-4 from 3, 7 boards, and after the game had scouts projecting him as a first rounder. That was his first college game in double figures!

he's ridiculously long, jumps well, needs to get much stronger and has missed a ton of time but on sheer talent alone NBA people are projecting him into the first round right now. He said 2 days ago he'll probably come back but the rumor in Sacramento is the family is pushing him to turn pro.

High risk high reward, 2 broken legs but doctors say he's done growing now and that was the issue before his growth plates were still open.

Freak talent, jumps well, NBA range but completely potential right now.

 

[overseascardfan]

No, he is not.

Markieff averaged 8.5 rebounds in 24 min., while Portis did 9.1 in 30 mins.

Not sure where your looking but in 71 games this season Morris is averaging 5.9 rpg in 31 mpg, your Portis numbers are right so that is a difference of 3 rpg a or 33% difference which is a significant difference.

 

[Catlover]

Not sure where your looking but in 71 games this season Morris is averaging 5.9 rpg in 31 mpg, your Portis numbers are right so that is a difference of 3 rpg a or 33% difference which is a significant difference.

Markieff was a good rebounder his last year in college, that's probably what he was referring to.

 

[Russ Smith]

Agreed on both topics.

Pope seems some cross of Giannis Antetokounmpo and Darius Miles. Multitalented prospect with high potential.

Myles Turner is a rare prospect as a potential shotblocking and 3P-shooting center (ala Raef LaFrentz) but his lateral movement and lack of explosiveness and lift are problems. He has significant bust potential.

I've heard several NBA teams won't even have Turner on their board because of what happened with Greg Oden.

 

[JCSunsfan]

So, what about Porzingis?

Seems like a little taller Channing Frye.

 

[BC867]

So, what about Porzingis?

Seems like a little taller Channing Frye.

Does that mean he'd play 40 feet from the basket?

'Sorry, I couldn't resist.

 

[Catlover]

Does that mean he'd play 40 feet from the basket?

'Sorry, I couldn't resist.

That would put him just behind the players bench or right around the mid-court circle. I can't say I've seen Frye spend much time in either spot. Porzingis, OTOH, plays more like a cross between John Salley and Kevin Garnett than a Channing Frye from the clips I've watched. I've read comparisons about him ranging from Ilyasova to Bargnani to Pau Gasol to Nowitzki. It will be interesting to see how he does against NBA level competition but it sounds like the sky is the limit for him.

 

[hcsilla]

Not sure where your looking but in 71 games this season Morris is averaging 5.9 rpg in 31 mpg, your Portis numbers are right so that is a difference of 3 rpg a or 33% difference which is a significant difference.

So you are comparing Portis' rebounding stats from NCAA with Markieff's stats from the NBA?

Does this make any sense?

 

[overseascardfan]

So you are comparing Portis' rebounding stats from NCAA with Markieff's stats from the NBA?

Does this make any sense?

I was because with Markieff you know what you have. He has hit his ceiling and he seems intent on using his "lack of size" as an excuse for his lack of rebounding. Portis is a very active rebounder particularly on the offensive glass. He is compared to Greg Monroe who is also a pretty good rebounder.

 

[JCSunsfan]

That would put him just behind the players bench or right around the mid-court circle. I can't say I've seen Frye spend much time in either spot. Porzingis, OTOH, plays more like a cross between John Salley and Kevin Garnett than a Channing Frye from the clips I've watched. I've read comparisons about him ranging from Ilyasova to Bargnani to Pau Gasol to Nowitzki. It will be interesting to see how he does against NBA level competition but it sounds like the sky is the limit for him.

Yep. A 7-1 pf who can shoot the three, block shots, and is fairly mobile.

He is like Dirk, but is a better defender.
He is like Garnett, but not as good a defender, and more versatile offensively.
He is like Gasol, but plays more out on the floor, and runs better.

I am thinking that this guy would be a great fit.

Kaminsky has an impressive skill set too. He has great offensive moves, is a good passer, a decent rebounder. He is not the athletic specimen that Miles Plumlee is, but he is way more skilled. Pau Gasol type of player. If Olynyk can succeed in the NBA, Kaminsky will do so and more.

 

[slinslin]

I have to admit I laughed at that. You don't like Townes because he's not a smooth athlete, but you like Myles Turner? Turner is basically Forrest Gump when his braces were about to come off, he's had all sorts of leg issues coming up. When John Lucas was training him he said he had to literally teach Turner how to bend his legs when he ran because the guy had so many leg issues.

Very good player but my guess is he'll be out of the NBA in 4 years or less I can't see how his body holds up to 82 games a year given his leg issues.

Can't see how Turner is moving weird at all. Towns reminds me of Joakim Noah somehow. Anyway since Towns goes top 3 for sure, imho likely #1, it hardly matters.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Ha. Here is why the Suns will draft Kaminsky. Look at the shot chart. Remind you of anyone?

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[Catlover]

Ha. Here is why the Suns will draft Kaminsky. Look at the shot chart. Remind you of anyone?

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Not really? Are you suggesting Frye? They both take a lot of threes from the top of the key but that chart shows Kaminsky relies primarily on his mid-range and inside game. Did you have someone else in mind?

 

[JCSunsfan]

Locations and percentages. Easy to see Kaminsky functioning as a "stretch 5" in the NBA.

 

[slinslin]

I want WCS now. Even if he is stupid, can't shoot yet and his raw production is not there.

He can play 2 positions defensively, runs the floor, is athletic, is a legit 7 foot and most importantly what I liked to see in the last Kentucky game is that he is setting picks. At #14 I can live with it if he does not develop a jumpshot. I'd be happy to just find a replacement Plumlee with that pick.

 

[Russ Smith]

Can't see how Turner is moving weird at all. Towns reminds me of Joakim Noah somehow. Anyway since Towns goes top 3 for sure, imho likely #1, it hardly matters.

He has a really weird way of running, he doesn't bend his legs correctly. Lucas has talked about it several times, literally having to teach him how to run.

At Texas the coaches did it too, they thought he ran awkwardly so they did a bunch of tests and found out his size 21 shoes were 2 sizes too big, but he ran funny so he always needed bigger shoes. So his shoes are now custom made. The trainer at Texas compared him to a baby deer learning how to stand up and walk.

He has issues on the court too, doesn't like to play inside, but the main concern on him is will his body and particularly his legs hold up over an NBA season.

He's just not a good athlete, maybe he'll grow into it as he gets older but it's something scouts have been talking about for awhile now. he has had all sorts of foot and ankle and leg problems and for a big guy he's not upper body strong at all.

 

[Phrazbit]

I'm pretty low on Cauley Stein. I dont think he would even be in the discussion for the lotto if not for having the Kentucky allure about him. 3 years in a premiere program and he has shown virtually zero improvement as a college player. The enthusiasm he shows is nice... but he shows little else. I don't see him as a PnR player either, he might set a nice pick but he is no threat as an offensive weapon, teams will key on the dribbler. Weak on the glass, almost no offensive ability, its hard to assess his defense given his competition but the drop in blocks is a concern. But even if he was a capable defender, he still would be hard to put on the floor given his poor rebounding.

He is size for the sake of size, very little talent. If he was 2 inches shorter I don't think he'd get drafted at all.