2015 2nd round pick is Markus Golden DE

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Ray and Golden really helped each other with the defense having to put so much focus on either one. I'm expecting an Alex Okafor caliber player.
 

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Atlanta's D played 3-4-4 alignment 3% of the time in 2013 when Peters had some value. Tell me another story, but please back it up with some facts.

NTs in even a pressure 3-4 have to play two-gap BECAUSE everyone else around them is playing one-gap. It's the only way you have coverage.

As for Woodley, he's not playing in a fire zone blitz scheme here, either.

Doesn't negate the fact that Peters played zero technique...or NT...lined directly over center. Atlanta plays what they call an "amoeba" defense and whether they are aligned in a 3-4 or one of their many other fronts, it functioned a lot like a 3-4. Peters himself mentioned in one of his interviews how he has experience playing 0 and will play nose here. Why do you think shortly after Peters signed here his agent came out and said that Peters is closer to 320lbs.

And no...in many 1 gap systems, the NT will play 1 gap as well. The coverage comes through rotating lbs and sometimes dl. The nose in any of Wade Phillips defenses is typically a 1 gap nose.

You're right, our defense isn't really a fire zone scheme, but one thing that both BA and Bowles stressed when they got here was that it was very close to the same defense as they ran before. Regardless, Woodley is much better suited for a 3-4 than a 4-3. And if we can finally get some edge pressure from our OLB without having to blitz as much it will resemble it even more.

There would be absolutely zero talk of moving Kareem Martin to OLB if they were considering moving to a 4-3. Also, here is some facts for you...there hasn't been a single person within the organization that has ever mentioned moving to a 4-3. No insider...no reporter...no player...no coach. In fact...Gunter said in his interview that they asked him to play DE in the 34 defense.
 

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Is there a difference in the composition of your dline in a 4-3 vs a 4-2-5? Because we played a lot of 4-2-5 last year, didn't we?
 

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Doesn't negate the fact that Peters played zero technique...or NT...lined directly over center. Atlanta plays what they call an "amoeba" defense and whether they are aligned in a 3-4 or one of their many other fronts, it functioned a lot like a 3-4. Peters himself mentioned in one of his interviews how he has experience playing 0 and will play nose here. Why do you think shortly after Peters signed here his agent came out and said that Peters is closer to 320lbs.

And no...in many 1 gap systems, the NT will play 1 gap as well. The coverage comes through rotating lbs and sometimes dl. The nose in any of Wade Phillips defenses is typically a 1 gap nose.

You're right, our defense isn't really a fire zone scheme, but one thing that both BA and Bowles stressed when they got here was that it was very close to the same defense as they ran before. Regardless, Woodley is much better suited for a 3-4 than a 4-3. And if we can finally get some edge pressure from our OLB without having to blitz as much it will resemble it even more.

There would be absolutely zero talk of moving Kareem Martin to OLB if they were considering moving to a 4-3. Also, here is some facts for you...there hasn't been a single person within the organization that has ever mentioned moving to a 4-3. No insider...no reporter...no player...no coach. In fact...Gunter said in his interview that they asked him to play DE in the 34 defense.

Peters agent was trying to drum up value for his client. If he plays two-dozen snaps as a NT he's and experienced nose? Give me a break.

Phillips 3-4 ads can have an NT play one gap because both DEs play two-gap. Make up another story.

Bowles D was totally different from Horton's--which was why Dockett was happy to see him come--and closer to what Rex Ryan runs--a totally different scheme in philosophy.

What value would the Cards get in holding a pressed in March and saying they're moving to a 4-3? None, right? Look at they're personnel moves and current roster, and it's a pretty compelling argument.
 

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It was more of 2-4-5 because our outside linebackers served as our DE.
True, but that is based on the realities of the number of personnel you can have. So you would want rush linebackers who can play effectively with their hands on the ground when needed and DTs with the ability to play a variety of interior gaps because sometimes you will have one and sometimes you will have two out there. I think we are looking to build a defensive full of versatile players who can play multiple schemes vs going a completely different direction in our schemes.
 
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True, but that is based on the realities of the number of personnel you can have. So you would want rush linebackers who can play effectively with their hands on the ground when needed and DTs with the ability to play a variety of interior gaps because sometimes you will have one and sometimes you will have two out there. I think we are looking to build a defensive full of versatile players who can play multiple schemes vs going a completely different direction in our schemes.
Good analogy. Sounds like what the team is doing
 

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Peters agent was trying to drum up value for his client. If he plays two-dozen snaps as a NT he's and experienced nose? Give me a break.

Phillips 3-4 ads can have an NT play one gap because both DEs play two-gap. Make up another story.

Bowles D was totally different from Horton's--which was why Dockett was happy to see him come--and closer to what Rex Ryan runs--a totally different scheme in philosophy.

What value would the Cards get in holding a pressed in March and saying they're moving to a 4-3? None, right? Look at they're personnel moves and current roster, and it's a pretty compelling argument.

The tweet about Peters weight came out AFTER he signed here. If it came out before don't you think teams would notice a 30 pound difference?

And you are wrong again about the 1 gap...the entire DL plays 1 gap if you go back and watch any of the film. All three penetrate.

Bowles and Phillips both come from the same system of 1 gap defense. So if Phillips DE's play 2 gap...tell me again why Dockett would be happy? No, Phillips entire DL plays 1 gap. Watch the film.

As far as personnel moves...what beckons a change to a 4-3 exactly? Your perceived lack of a NT? Woodley...3-4 guy...Redding...played in both 3-4 and 4-3...Peters...played at every position across the line in multiple fronts...Weatherspoon...mostly played WOLB but he is the only 4-3 linebacker we have on the roster at the moment. Who are our other 4-3 LB's? What about our 4-3 pass rushing DE's? BA stated Golden is a LB and will put his hand in the dirt in sub packages.

Your presumption that we are switching to a 4-3 is not compelling at all.

Oh and it's not March anymore...it's May and they have already told at least 1 player that they expect him to play in a 34 defense...so unless they are looking to trade him to a 34 team it's a pretty much foregone conclusion that we are staying base 34.
 

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Good pick. Should be another Okafor type player for us. High motor guy with no character flaws. Won't be a star like Randy Gregory would have been but he should be a solid player. I had him as a third rounder.
 

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More I see him in his highlights(yes I know they are highlights, but he bull rushes several big linemen, just kills them) the more I am liking him. I think he maybe even better then Ray as he looks like he can play several different areas of the D.
 

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From a Mizzou fan: Markus Golden is a beast with an unbelievable high motor. Personally I think that he is a little better than Shane Ray and is a better all around player than him and that's saying a lot.

Golden was hurt half the season with a hamstring that limited him, but at the beginning of the season and at the end he is a qb killer and run stuffer and he get's turnovers when you need them at crunch time. He would have been a 1st round pick if it wasn't for the hamstring that limited his total production. The dude when healthy will run over or around o-linemen to get to the qb or back. If he would have stayed healthy he probably would have had near 20 sacks.

Cards Nation is going to love this dude! Shane Ray might have a better statistical year this year, but Golden will have a better career.

Go Cards....I mean Rams!
 
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concur with the mizzou fan post!. I also am a Mizzou fan and have watched every game! I just didn't see any drop off from the guy ever! He is Ray's equal at least.
 

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From a Mizzou fan: Markus Golden is a beast with an unbelievable high motor. Personally I think that he is a little better than Shane Ray and is a better all around player than him and that's saying a lot.

Golden was hurt half the season with a hamstring that limited him, but at the beginning of the season and at the end he is a qb killer and run stuffer and he get's turnovers when you need them at crunch time. He would have been a 1st round pick if it wasn't for the hamstring that limited his total production. The dude when healthy will run over or around o-linemen to get to the qb or back. If he would have stayed healthy he probably would have had near 20 sacks.

Cards Nation is going to love this dude! Shane Ray might have a better statistical year this year, but Golden will have a better career.

Go Cards....I mean Rams!

My thoughts exactly. Mizzou fan and saw Golden play a lot. Thought he was equal to Ray who received all the attention.
 

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This video shows how relentless(high motor) he is and how he also blows through some o-linemen to get to the qb or ball carrier.

https://youtu.be/-nQfFhqU8AU
I don't think that video is a good reel for Golden. A very high % of the plays he's either completely unblocked or a back is trying to block him. Other than #70 from Tennessee, he didn't really beat any OT. There were a couple where he was engaged with the OT but the QB scrambled out of the pocket to his side.

He does play hard and through the whistle but I'd like to see him whip the OT more often because he's not going to get that many free runs in the NFL.
 

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saw the same. Lots of plays where he makes a play because not a single person blocked him.


Even though he played well in that game that's when he was playing with a bad hamstring. I give up with you guys, because you just wanna find something to offset everything I say. You will find out on your own, plus I hope the Rams stick it to you this year even though I think the Cards will be the best team in the division this year.
 

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Even though he played well in that game that's when he was playing with a bad hamstring. I give up with you guys, because you just wanna find something to offset everything I say. You will find out on your own, plus I hope the Rams stick it to you this year even though I think the Cards will be the best team in the division this year.

hey, one tape he looked really slow. The other tape of highlights were plays where he didnt get blocked, I am replying to the tapes and have no idea who you are so you can throw a fit about it somewhere else.

If your a rams fan I dont know why you are bothering with us anyway.

Show me where I quoted you and said you were wrong that led to you quoting me crying about how I disagree with you.
 

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