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It sounds like a Robert Sarver move. Push for the playoffs at all costs.
But that is not what he said. He said that if they have to look at where they are later. He did not even say that they are making a big push for the playoffs now.

They are just trying to play decent ball now--develop their young players. You get no sense of playoff urgency from ANYONE associated with this team. McD's comments even seems somewhat non-chalant about the playoffs.
 

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It sounds like a Robert Sarver move. Push for the playoffs at all costs.

I think Sarver would be more aggressive in obtaining a higher end veteran if he was really putting some weight into making the playoffs. It seems Ryan McDonough is still in control of the Suns future.
 

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I think Sarver would be more aggressive in obtaining a higher end veteran if he was really putting some weight into making the playoffs. It seems Ryan McDonough is still in control of the Suns future.

Ryan's interview really made it sound like we'd be doing just that if this stretch of games showed we were close enough to make it worthwhile. I'm hoping that our Denver games alone have been enough to put the brakes on that frame of mind.
 

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Ryan's interview really made it sound like we'd be doing just that if this stretch of games showed we were close enough to make it worthwhile. I'm hoping that our Denver games alone have been enough to put the brakes on that frame of mind.

You and me both. :)
 

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You and me both. :)

To be fair though I don't really believe Ryan's heart was in it. I'm pretty sure he's smart enough to know that being in playoff contention this season means less than it normally would and costs us more than it normally would. It's a particularly bad year to risk a premium draft spot even if there's no Jordan or Duncan in this group.
 
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Report: Orlando “picking up” efforts to move Serge Ibaka before trade deadline

League sources told Sporting News that the Magic have picked up their attempts to move Ibaka ahead of next month’s trade deadline, eager to ensure that they come away with some return for a player who does not figure to be in Orlando long. Ibaka will be a free agent this summer. There is no chance of a Bismack Biyombo trade, not after the Magic paid him $70 million for four years this offseason….

Ibaka, 27, has been productive, with 14.9 points, 6.8 rebounds and 48.6 percent shooting from the field (38.3 percent from the 3-point arc), but he has not had the level of impact on the team’s defense the Magic had hoped. Ultimately, the team will have to shift third-year forward Aaron Gordon from small forward to power forward, Ibaka’s current spot.
http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/01/30...ts-to-move-serge-ibaka-before-trade-deadline/




 

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Orlando has one of the most inept GMs in the league. Nobody talks about him like they do the Knicks or the Kings but he's still awful.

He traded a good up and coming SG in Oladipo AND a 1st rd pick for Ibaka who is on an expiring contract and obviously older than he claims and has taken massive decline in terms of athleticism over the years.

Not only that but they go out and give a massive overpaid contract for Biyombo while they would've been just better off with just paying Vucevic after this season.

On top of all this, this has significantly hindered the development of Aaron Gordon who was coming along nicely until they got into this mess.
 

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Orlando has one of the most inept GMs in the league. Nobody talks about him like they do the Knicks or the Kings but he's still awful.

He traded a good up and coming SG in Oladipo AND a 1st rd pick for Ibaka who is on an expiring contract and obviously older than he claims and has taken massive decline in terms of athleticism over the years.

Not only that but they go out and give a massive overpaid contract for Biyombo while they would've been just better off with just paying Vucevic after this season.

On top of all this, this has significantly hindered the development of Aaron Gordon who was coming along nicely until they got into this mess.

Didn't Orlando have interest in Knight at some point last season? I'd be for trading him for Ibaka. I know his deal is expiring but I wouldn't be against signing him for another year or two. If the team really plans on making a postseason run then he'd help sure up our front line and at his age he'd only be in the way for Chriss & Bender for another year or two. Ibaka can play Center also, which would allow us to move Chandler and if he can be resigned cheaper than Len that could be a plus.
 

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Didn't Orlando have interest in Knight at some point last season? I'd be for trading him for Ibaka. I know his deal is expiring but I wouldn't be against signing him for another year or two. If the team really plans on making a postseason run then he'd help sure up our front line and at his age he'd only be in the way for Chriss & Bender for another year or two. Ibaka can play Center also, which would allow us to move Chandler and if he can be resigned cheaper than Len that could be a plus.

I'd rather trade Knight for Nikola Vucevic. He is younger and he is under contract for a couple more seasons especially considering Len will become a free agent. I'm not sure the Suns need an expiring contract.
 

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I doubt they'd trade Vucevic for Knight, Vucevic has more value since he's younger and signed for longer. Ibaka only has value as an expiring contract in Orlando so maybe they'd be good with having a player like Knight for the next few years so they'd have something to show for trading off Oladipo. I know he's expiring but I wouldn't mind resigning him in the offseason and we'd have his bird rights to do so. If we could sign him for either as much as Knight makes or less for the next 2 years I'd be all for it. He's got about 2 years left of being a starter, maybe a little less, which fits with our developing pieces.

A pairing of him and Chandler could be one of the best rebounding and defensive front courts in the league until Bender or Chriss can actually earn a starting job rather than just being handed it because we have no other choice. Playing with Chriss and Bender in practice would help them a good deal also, I believe, because he's a good defender and would push them harder. Chriss shouldn't be starting right now, I don't mind him getting around 20+ mpg but he's starting because we have virtually no depth at PF and throwing him against starting PF's every night might be hurting him some as far as confidence and development goes.
 
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I doubt they'd trade Vucevic for Knight, Vucevic has more value since he's younger and signed for longer. Ibaka only has value as an expiring contract in Orlando so maybe they'd be good with having a player like Knight for the next few years so they'd have something to show for trading off Oladipo. I know he's expiring but I wouldn't mind resigning him in the offseason and we'd have his bird rights to do so. If we could sign him for either as much as Knight makes or less for the next 2 years I'd be all for it. He's got about 2 years left of being a starter, maybe a little less, which fits with our developing pieces.

A pairing of him and Chandler could be one of the best rebounding and defensive front courts in the league until Bender or Chriss can actually earn a starting job rather than just being handed it because we have no other choice. Playing with Chriss and Bender in practice would help them a good deal also, I believe, because he's a good defender and would push them harder. Chriss shouldn't be starting right now, I don't mind him getting around mpg but he's starting because we have virtually no depth at PF and throwing him against starting PF's every night might be hurting him some as far as confidence and development goes.

We both agree Knight should be traded.

There is another factor that should be considered. Let's say the Suns trade Knight for Ibaka. How many ping pong balls would he cost us in terms of more wins for a player that could walk after the season. I'd be more interested in trading for an injured Rudy Gay and perhaps another asset.
 

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Chriss shouldn't be starting right now, I don't mind him getting around mpg but he's starting because we have virtually no depth at PF and throwing him against starting PF's every night might be hurting him some as far as confidence and development goes.
Excellent post! Even if Chriss had the body of a Power Forward (which he doesn't), it doesn't make sense to try to develop him by playing him against starters.

I'm wondering if anyone on the board can point out anything positive, let alone a bunch of positives, about starting him. I don't think I've seen one in all the posts concerning him.

After a few good games, the Suns have sunk back into mediocrity, especially in defense and team rebounding. It is getting to look more and more that the Coach will be the fall guy. When it is the GM who provided an extremely unbalanced roster, such as Chriss the best choice for starting Power Forward.
 

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Excellent post! Even if Chriss had the body of a Power Forward (which he doesn't), it doesn't make sense to try to develop him by playing him against starters.

I'm wondering if anyone on the board can point out anything positive, let alone a bunch of positives, about starting him. I don't think I've seen one in all the posts concerning him.

After a few good games, the Suns have sunk back into mediocrity, especially in defense and team rebounding. It is getting to look more and more that the Coach will be the fall guy. When it is the GM who provided an extremely unbalanced roster, such as Chriss the best choice for starting Power Forward.

You can't be serious. Yeah you know what your right let's not give minutes to our 19 year old athletic freak. Everybody knows players get better by riding the bench. Him and Bender are both kids and will have very different bodies 3 years from now.
 

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You can't be serious. Yeah you know what your right let's not give minutes to our 19 year old athletic freak. Everybody knows players get better by riding the bench. Him and Bender are both kids and will have very different bodies 3 years from now.

Chriss had a good game tonight but the majority of the time he's outmatched by whoever the other team rolls out at the 4. I don't think anyone is saying Chriss shouldn't see the minutes he is but it'd probably help to give him those minutes with the 2nd unit instead of starters.
 

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Excellent post! Even if Chriss had the body of a Power Forward (which he doesn't), it doesn't make sense to try to develop him by playing him against starters.

I'm wondering if anyone on the board can point out anything positive, let alone a bunch of positives, about starting him. I don't think I've seen one in all the posts concerning him.

After a few good games, the Suns have sunk back into mediocrity, especially in defense and team rebounding. It is getting to look more and more that the Coach will be the fall guy. When it is the GM who provided an extremely unbalanced roster, such as Chriss the best choice for starting Power Forward.

Spoken by the hypocrite of all.

Chriss is handling starting just fine.
 
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Report: Cavaliers to work out Stephenson, Hinrich, Chalmers; who fits best?
Do they go with veteran experience or athleticism and brash behavior?
LeBron James said he wanted a backup point guard, so the Cavs are going to get a backup point guard. ESPN reports of an upcoming workout of veteran players this week to try and find the "playmaker" they're in need of. The list has some interesting names on it.

Veteran point guards Mario Chalmers and Kirk Hinrich, along with wing Lance Stephenson are scheduled to work out for the Cleveland Cavaliers on Wednesday in hopes of inking a deal, league sources informed ESPN.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/r...ut-stephenson-hinrich-chalmers-who-fits-best/
 
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