2016 NFL Wild Card Round: Steelers @ Bengals

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James Harrison, a Steeler legend, said he doesn't think it should have been called for the penalty because its hard to change direction that fast when your going so fast but by league rules he said it qualifies as penalty.
 

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I'd say more than .01% think that was just a hard football hit coming across the field with a shoulder by the way! If a different defender makes that hit might not even be flagged. You continue to ignore the helmet to helmet hit that started all the ugliness, so in your mind should that which was worse IMO as its a blatant helmet spearing to the head not an intent to injure? The steelers are thugs as well lots of dirty hits all year but you only focus on burfict to try and back up your point. And to just say refs called both teams for penalties is crap when you hand them an easy kick when without the bogus penalty it's a longer kick in poor rainy conditions that's A HUGE gift!

They were not bogus... which is why it wasn't a gift. Burfict's hit was the definition of that type of penalty, and Pacman is a full on imbecile whom may have been baited but he didn't have to take the bait.

And I'm not ignoring the dirty stuff the Steelers do either... and neither did the refs as the Steelers racked up double Cincy's penalty yards (which you ignore).

The idea that they waited until the last possible moment to "rig" the game is downright hilarious, especially when the moment they pounced game on a hit so brutal that it left the WR concussed and will virtually certainly earn Burfict a suspension. But, yeah... they rigged it. Machiavellian level rigging right there.

I know there is no hope of swaying you because to hold your stance in the first place requires a disconnect from reality, but you are harping on one play, far earlier in the game and getting on me for supposedly "ignoring it", meanwhile you're ignoring the massive disparity in penalties in Cincy's favor, the 4 Bengal turnovers that if they had not blown would have given them an easy victory and you're living in a dream world where making a blatant attempt to decapitate a guy who is totally defenseless and does not have the ball should not be penalized. Oh, also that Pacman shoving people people and making contact with a ref, that is apparently no big deal either.

All of that... in your mind... is totally negated by that the refs missed a nasty hit waaaaaaaay earlier in the game. And that is proof it was rigged.

Whatever.
 

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James Harrison, a Steeler legend, said he doesn't think it should have been called for the penalty because its hard to change direction that fast when your going so fast but by league rules he said it qualifies as penalty.

James Harrison is one of the dirtiest players of all time and when the refs were told how to make these calls were basically given a montage of his filthy hits.

Great source there.
 

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Was earlier in the game lol it was in the final seconds of the third which is why the 4th was a disaster but whatever. You see it your way and some may agree, I don't! Burfict is a dirty scumbag player but the refs made that hit legal by not calling a much more harmful hit a little earlier. Pointless debate you clearly have a deep seeded hate for one guy and trying to blame everything on him, when in fact the refs let this game get out of control with their continued horrible calls like all season!
 

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Was earlier in the game lol it was in the final seconds of the third which is why the 4th was a disaster but whatever. You see it your way and some may agree, I don't! Burfict is a dirty scumbag player but the refs made that hit legal by not calling a much more harmful hit a little earlier. Pointless debate you clearly have a deep seeded hate for one guy and trying to blame everything on him, when in fact the refs let this game get out of control with their continued horrible calls like all season!

You are making a false equality, in my opinion, between the two hits. Just because they missed one call doesn't mean they shouldn't throw the flag on another. That hit by Burfict was so obviously dangerous to a defenseless WR they can make it slide #1 in training new refs forever onward.
 

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My input on this is he could have let up because he had 2 steps to do so. He had time to alter his hit and not put his head down.

The hit looks like it was actually shoulder pad to shoulder pad IMO and it spun the WR around due to the angle.

If they call this, and they did, they have to call the blatant helmet to helmet on the Steelers.
 

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My input on this is he could have let up because he had 2 steps to do so. He had time to alter his hit and not put his head down.

The hit looks like it was actually shoulder pad to shoulder pad IMO and it spun the WR around due to the angle.

If they call this, and they did, they have to call the blatant helmet to helmet on the Steelers.

The difference is that Brown was ruled as a defenseless receiver, and the other a runner. There is no helmet to helmet call for a runner. Now if you wanted to say it was targeting/spearing, well then you might be on to something.
 

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The difference is that Brown was ruled as a defenseless receiver, and the other a runner. There is no helmet to helmet call for a runner. Now if you wanted to say it was targeting/spearing, well then you might be on to something.
Shazier did lower his helmet to make the hit and that's my agenda. I don't like this play being legal. How long was he a runner? At what point did he become a runner? So spearing would have worked.

Burfict had time to alter his hit by lifting his head. That's my take. Not so much the hit.
 

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Exactly it doesn't matter if he is a runner or receiver when a player launches himself crown of helmet into ANY player it's a damn penalty I don't get what is so hard to grasp. You think if honey badger lowered his helmet and drilled someone in the face it doesn't garner a flag I mean come on its ridiculous. And after that when the whole bengals sideline and crowd were incensed is the point where the rest of the game got totally out of control. Again by not making that a penalty when it clearly was the refs told the defenses we are gonna allow this **** so that's what happened the rest of game hard borderline legal/illegal hits.
 

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Your putting way to much into that hit because of who it is... It was a hard hit across the middle with a shoulder. Wouldn't have even been a flag a few years ago. But yet you still ignore my point about the first ultra dirty head shot that started all of it! Call the game legit maybe it never gets that dirty. When you screw a team over and incense the whole sideline something bad is probably gonna happen! When you feel like your getting jobbed (they did) your gonna start playing as dirty as your opponent since the refs made it clear they don't consider head shots a penalty! The REFS are the reason it spiraled! Stop using the history of burfict we all know he is scum, but the refs brought it out in this game IMO with their ridiculous rule and penalty interpretations!

I was rooting for the Bengals and even I thought Burfit went head hunting with intent to injure. Complete and utterly stupid thing to do.
 

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Cardpa never said it wasn't stupid, it is coinicidence that burfict didn't do that thru the first 3 qtrs? No it was because the non call on a much worse and OBVIOUS penalty pissed off the whole bengals team! I have no rooting interest don't like either team but it was clear Pitt was getting favorable game changing calls to benifit them.
 

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There was an article on CBS sports about it.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...er-wasnt-flagged-for-head-shot-to-gio-bernard

On first glance -- and second and third glance -- it sure looks like Steelers linebacker Ryan Shazier should have been flagged for this shot to the head against Gio Bernard, who dropped to the turf and fumbled on the play.
But a flag was never thrown and, it turns out, it was the right call.
This article has been updated to say that it actually should have been flagged for using the crown of the helmet/spearing.
 

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Cardpa never said it wasn't stupid, it is coinicidence that burfict didn't do that thru the first 3 qtrs? No it was because the non call on a much worse and OBVIOUS penalty pissed off the whole bengals team! I have no rooting interest don't like either team but it was clear Pitt was getting favorable game changing calls to benifit them.

I agree with you that the Shazier hit should have been a spearing call. I get that it pissed off the Bengals however as a professional player you have to keep your wits about you and not hurt your team by losing your cool and going head hunting. Burfitt did his team no favors doing what he did. I think the flag on Jones was pretty bogus however it probably never happens if Burfitt doesn't do what he did. I wonder how his teammates feel about him after single handedly blowing their chance at a Super Bowl appearance? The announcers were harping quite a bit about how coaches and players were trying to keep Burfitt under control and telling him to keep his cool yet he stills does a dumb thing.
 

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Exactly dback their in full in excuse mode for the refs, which is why the game got out of hand!


Yup.


Porter got fined. He should be banned from the NFL.


It was a travesty that he didn't get flagged on the spot.
 

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10/10

End of thread.





LOL. Not really.

In your mind, maybe, but not to others.


It is a really a simplistic way to look at it - you have to look at when and where the penalties where called and what WASN'T called.


Like in the Seattle game, Russell Wilson's "miracle throw" was illegal- multiple linemen were downfield. Should have come back. Those are the type of plays that don't show up on the stat line, but any thinking fan can see that some teams/players get away with time and time again.
 

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This article has been updated to say that it actually should have been flagged for using the crown of the helmet/spearing.


Which is what I have been saying all along. I guess I know more than Mike Periera, the talking heads on CBS, and quite a few here on ASFN.
 

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Yea, but when was the last time you heard a spearing penalty called? You don't see that called just because the helmet makes contact with another players body, even the the crown. It is typically only called when the player literrally makes like a spear and lunges laid out through the air like a missile and impacts head first. Lowering the helmet to body, while might technically be called as spearing is usually not called. NFL doesn't want to get rid of big hits, NFL wants to get rid of big hits on QBs and big hits to the head on all players. That was a big hit on Gio but I don't think it was an illegal hit in the context of the way the game is called. You can point to nearly any play and find a rule that could have said that a foul occurred.

When you watch the slow-mo it is clear he was going to the body, the hit glanced off the side of Gio's helmet, pushing his head out of the way, where the brunt of the force was delivered to the shoulder. No doubt he could have been flagged, and if it was I wouldn't fault the officials for throwing it, but at the same time I have no problem that it wasn't. If it was my call on the field to make I wouldn't throw the flag. I look at penalties like a court of law... it can't be borderline, it has to be a clear penalty. Too many times refs are eager to throw their flags and we get ticky tack and bad calls.

As a Cards fan I have no love for Steelers, but Bengals are out of control and act like grade school children. For Pac-man to come out and say Joey Porter shouldn't have been out their cussing us so that is why he got penalized is ridiculous and shows you the type of personalities they have. They can't just shut up and walk away and get a W and let your win do the talking. Has to be selfish and go out there and get the last word in even if it costs you the most devastating loss. The Steeler players and fans could have been in tears had they not tried to get the last jab in for their own personal motives.
 

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Yea, but when was the last time you heard a spearing penalty called? You don't see that called just because the helmet makes contact with another players body, even the the crown. It is typically only called when the player literrally makes like a spear and lunges laid out through the air like a missile and impacts head first. Lowering the helmet to body, while might technically be called as spearing is usually not called. NFL doesn't want to get rid of big hits, NFL wants to get rid of big hits on QBs and big hits to the head on all players. That was a big hit on Gio but I don't think it was an illegal hit in the context of the way the game is called. You can point to nearly any play and find a rule that could have said that a foul occurred.

When you watch the slow-mo it is clear he was going to the body, the hit glanced off the side of Gio's helmet, pushing his head out of the way, where the brunt of the force was delivered to the shoulder. No doubt he could have been flagged, and if it was I wouldn't fault the officials for throwing it, but at the same time I have no problem that it wasn't. If it was my call on the field to make I wouldn't throw the flag. I look at penalties like a court of law... it can't be borderline, it has to be a clear penalty. Too many times refs are eager to throw their flags and we get ticky tack and bad calls.

As a Cards fan I have no love for Steelers, but Bengals are out of control and act like grade school children. For Pac-man to come out and say Joey Porter shouldn't have been out their cussing us so that is why he got penalized is ridiculous and shows you the type of personalities they have. They can't just shut up and walk away and get a W and let your win do the talking. Has to be selfish and go out there and get the last word in even if it costs you the most devastating loss. The Steeler players and fans could have been in tears had they not tried to get the last jab in for their own personal motives.

all of this.
 

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I'm still amazed by how many people are actually defending the Bengals. I suspect if instead of the Steelers it had been say... the Packers who had been in that spot I think reactions would be very different. If Brown had been Larry Fitzgerald then reactions here would probably be apocalyptic.

The Gio play was iffy, a penalty could maybe should have been called, but it was hardly cut and dry. There certainly didn't appear to be any intent and Gio had caught the ball and was turning, the Steeler player came in arms out going for a tackle, was not targeting. While Burfict was trying to nothing more than take a guy's head off whom he knew didn't have the ball. Also, as pointed out earlier, about half the Bengals coaching staff was on the field when Gio was hurt... but none of the Steelers players were quite as stupid as Pacman Jones and tried to box them.

Furthermore, Porter was talking to an official and heading towards the sideline, what started the back and forth exchange with Bengals players was this:

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The Bengals reap what they sow. You build a team of cheap shot taking idiots who have no self control or situational awareness... and you deservedly lose as your team loses its composure because they got penalized for trying to cripple someone.
 
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Vontaze Burfict suspended three games by NFL

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000621200/article/vontaze-burfict-suspended-three-games-by-nfl

Cincinnati Bengals linebacker Vontaze Burfict was suspended the first three games of the 2016 season by the NFL on Monday for "repeated violations of safety-related playing rules."

Burfict will appeal the suspension, his agent told NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport.

Burfict drew a personal foul penalty for his hit on Pittsburgh Steelers wide receiver Antonio Brown in the closing seconds of Saturday's 18-16 wild-card playoff loss. Brown suffered a concussion on the play.

The suspension was imposed by Merton Hanks, NFL vice president of football Operations, who ruled that Burfict's hit put Brown at an unnecessary risk for injury and should have been avoided. The suspension will take effect at the time of the final roster reduction prior to Week 1 of the 2016 regular season.
 

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