2016 NFL Wild Card Round: Steelers @ Bengals

[oaken1]

Was there ever an explanation on why Shazier wasn't flagged?

the announcers kept talking about how the guy was not a "defenseless player"...however even to a spectator it was clearly a spear to the head


to chime in on the burfict hit...

it was dirty, plain and simple...even at full speed he could easily see the ball was past and had time to slow down,...instead, he chose to lower the shoulder...he didn't crouch down and launch into the guys ribs,...he lowered his shoulder just enough to nail him in the head.

it was clearly flagrant.

up to that point I was cheering on the bungles, I like their energy... but there is a right way and a wrong way to play football..

cleaning bens clock and sitting him,.... clean, strong hit.... RIGHT WAY

aiming for a players head when any chance he may catch the ball is clearly gone,... WRONG WAY.

Honestly,.... dude should be suspended for a year.....over his last year or so in college,..and this season with the bungles...burfict has demonstrated an escalating pattern of not only disregard for other players and the rules of the game,..but an actual desire to injure other players...not HURT them....INJURE them.......and that is not acceptable behavior.

 

[CardsFan88]

the announcers kept talking about how the guy was not a "defenseless player"...however even to a spectator it was clearly a spear to the head


to chime in on the burfict hit...

it was dirty, plain and simple...even at full speed he could easily see the ball was past and had time to slow down,...instead, he chose to lower the shoulder...he didn't crouch down and launch into the guys ribs,...he lowered his shoulder just enough to nail him in the head.

it was clearly flagrant.

up to that point I was cheering on the bungles, I like their energy... but there is a right way and a wrong way to play football..

cleaning bens clock and sitting him,.... clean, strong hit.... RIGHT WAY

aiming for a players head when any chance he may catch the ball is clearly gone,... WRONG WAY.

Honestly,.... dude should be suspended for a year.....over his last year or so in college,..and this season with the bungles...burfict has demonstrated an escalating pattern of not only disregard for other players and the rules of the game,..but an actual desire to injure other players...not HURT them....INJURE them.......and that is not acceptable behavior.

It's not escalation. This is how he played in college. Yesterday's game was just about every game for the Sun Devils.

He's just returning to form.

It's disgusting. I'm sure you know, but this is the sort of thing he did in college.

 

[SO91]

the announcers kept talking about how the guy was not a "defenseless player"...however even to a spectator it was clearly a spear to the head


to chime in on the burfict hit...

it was dirty, plain and simple...even at full speed he could easily see the ball was past and had time to slow down,...instead, he chose to lower the shoulder...he didn't crouch down and launch into the guys ribs,...he lowered his shoulder just enough to nail him in the head.

it was clearly flagrant.

up to that point I was cheering on the bungles, I like their energy... but there is a right way and a wrong way to play football..

cleaning bens clock and sitting him,.... clean, strong hit.... RIGHT WAY

aiming for a players head when any chance he may catch the ball is clearly gone,... WRONG WAY.

Honestly,.... dude should be suspended for a year.....over his last year or so in college,..and this season with the bungles...burfict has demonstrated an escalating pattern of not only disregard for other players and the rules of the game,..but an actual desire to injure other players...not HURT them....INJURE them.......and that is not acceptable behavior.

This goes all the way back to high school with this guy. He tried to take out Matt Barkley's knees in a game...when they were both committed to USC. The guy is nuts.

 

[SO91]

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports Steelers OLB coach Joey Porter will be fined for going on the field in Saturday's Wild Card game against the Bengals.
Porter left the sidelines to check on Antonio Brown after he suffered a concussion on a late hit by Vontaze Burfict. Pacman Jones confronted Porter and was immediately flagged 15 yards for unsportsmanlike conduct. The Porter incident was just one of many bizarre events to unfold in Saturday's chaotic win.

With this fine the NFL is admitting they blew it by not flagging both teams when they penalized Pacman. Should have been offsetting penalties on both teams and a 50+ yd FG to follow (unless they take a shot down the sidelines, but Ben couldn't throw the ball more than 10 yds it seemed).

 

[Azlen]

Was there ever an explanation on why Shazier wasn't flagged?

There was an article on CBS sports about it.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...er-wasnt-flagged-for-head-shot-to-gio-bernard

On first glance -- and second and third glance -- it sure looks like Steelers linebacker Ryan Shazier should have been flagged for this shot to the head against Gio Bernard, who dropped to the turf and fumbled on the play.
But a flag was never thrown and, it turns out, it was the right call.

 

[nashman]

Exactly the refs blew it gave Pitt the game at the end by making it a chip shot fg that was the whole point about Pitt getting all the calls that help them! Like the no call on the spearing and ruling it a fumble and giving the ball to Pitt that's when the incensed bengals team started to unravel and rightfully so they got jobbed there and the rest of the game! And I'm also in the camp of burfict is a scumbag but the hit on brown wasn't that bad he could have speared him like they did his teammate but instead he just hit him with his shoulder. Should it be a flag...well in this game I say hell no, if you don't flag that knockout play earlier with clear head to head shot why the hell should you flag a legal shoulder to player hit????? Oh I forgot it's Stealers football only they can do all the ugly **** and get away with it!

 

[gmabel830]

There was an article on CBS sports about it.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...er-wasnt-flagged-for-head-shot-to-gio-bernard

On first glance -- and second and third glance -- it sure looks like Steelers linebacker Ryan Shazier should have been flagged for this shot to the head against Gio Bernard, who dropped to the turf and fumbled on the play.
But a flag was never thrown and, it turns out, it was the right call.

The article addresses why Gio was not a defenseless receiver, but not about the fact Shazier led with the crown of his helmet, which is a penalty on a runner.

 

[MrYeahBut]

This game just was depressing.

 

[Buckybird]

Exactly the refs blew it gave Pitt the game at the end by making it a chip shot fg that was the whole point about Pitt getting all the calls that help them! Like the no call on the spearing and ruling it a fumble and giving the ball to Pitt that's when the incensed bengals team started to unravel and rightfully so they got jobbed there and the rest of the game! And I'm also in the camp of burfict is a scumbag but the hit on brown wasn't that bad he could have speared him like they did his teammate but instead he just hit him with his shoulder. Should it be a flag...well in this game I say hell no, if you don't flag that knockout play earlier with clear head to head shot why the hell should you flag a legal shoulder to player hit????? Oh I forgot it's Stealers football only they can do all the ugly **** and get away with it!

While I agree with everything you said, IMO the Bungles would've probably been shut out if not for that hit by Shazier. It fired the whole Cincy team up & changed the game in their favor...they were the walking dead until that point.

 

[nashman]

Bucky the bengals were driving and if they call that penalty which they should have it would have put cincy in fg range already, they were driving not like the steelers had them stopped. Hell I think that play happened on first or second down, the problem is by not calling the dirty illegal hit that caused the fumbled also awarded Pitt the ball so it was really two kicks in the balls at once to cincy! It was a hard hitting game and cincy running game started picking up in the third and they kept in striking distance. They had chances and dropped balls I don't think you can just dismiss a huge call that shifted the game and say well it fired them up, both teams were fired up one was just had the refs on their side!

 

[devilalum]

The article addresses why Gio was not a defenseless receiver, but not about the fact Shazier led with the crown of his helmet, which is a penalty on a runner.

How that is not a penalty is unbelievable.

 

[nashman]

It is a penalty period their just trying to damage control

 

[devilalum]

While I agree with everything you said, IMO the Bungles would've probably been shut out if not for that hit by Shazier. It fired the whole Cincy team up & changed the game in their favor...they were the walking dead until that point.

Burfict was clearly infuriated by that play and possessed he knocked #7 out of the game on the next play. Burfict is an insane person but I don't think I've ever seen a more perfect retaliation for a cheap hit.

 

[Dback Jon]

There was an article on CBS sports about it.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...er-wasnt-flagged-for-head-shot-to-gio-bernard

On first glance -- and second and third glance -- it sure looks like Steelers linebacker Ryan Shazier should have been flagged for this shot to the head against Gio Bernard, who dropped to the turf and fumbled on the play.
But a flag was never thrown and, it turns out, it was the right call.

That does not make any sense agreed he was not a defenseless runner but that does not address the spearing and leading with the helmet issue that so many people have been flagged for this year

 

[nashman]

Exactly dback their in full in excuse mode for the refs, which is why the game got out of hand!

 

[GatorAZ]

Exactly dback their in full in excuse mode for the refs, which is why the game got out of hand!

Refs definitely caused the Bengals to turn it over 4 times too.

 

[NYCARDS]

You just knew it was going to happen.

 

[Phrazbit]

The idea that the refs rigged it for the Steelers is flat out comical. If the Bengals don't fumble the ball the game is probably over, if Burfict does not try to decapitate a defenseless player the game is probably over, if the Bengals don't turn the ball over 4 times they probably win by 20.

And the ultimate poo-poo on the ref conspiracy:

Penalties/Yards:

Bengals: 8-79

Steelers: 10-142


THOSE DASTARDLY REFS!!! They so conniving they even went so far as to cover their tracks by giving the Steelers double the Bengals penalties because they knew they could pounce and rig it all... after the Steelers recover a fumble, put their banged up QB back in, drive down to midfield with no time outs and less than 20 seconds left, throw over the middle... and... from there... the Bengals would fall right into the trap the refs and Steelers had placed.

 

[nashman]

Lol phraz you really see things only your way. Yeah the refs didn't gift the steelers a much closer kick at the end or give them the ball on what should have been a bengals first down on a blatant head shot. I don't care how many penalties get called, it's the bs ones at crucial times that affect the game get serious man!

 

[Phrazbit]

Lol phraz you really see things only your way. Yeah the refs didn't gift the steelers a much closer kick at the end or give them the ball on what should have been a bengals first down on a blatant head shot. I don't care how many penalties get called, it's the bs ones at crucial times that affect the game get serious man!

The situation with Porter is dicey, I agree that particular one is weird. Porter should not have been out there but at the same time, all Pacman has to do is not be a full blown imbecile and shove him... and its a non-issue. But even without that call the original penalty put the Steelers well within FG range and was as blatant as it gets.

That blatant penalty is not only seeing it "my way", the only way ANYONE could not comprehend that as a disgusting, dirty hit with 100% intent to injure is if the entered the situation with either a love of Burfict as a former Devil or a hatred of the Steelers... and many in this defending that trash seem to have both going for them.

That hit was the definition of targeting a defenseless player. He will certainly get a huge fine and will likely get suspended.

It honestly blows my mind how anyone can defend him or that play. He has a history of this stuff and to think he couldn't have done anything different in the situation requires some serious cognitive dissonance. He lowers his head/shoulder, adjusting his aim, accelerating and lunging right into Brown's helmet, all while having had his head up the entire time and clearly being able to see the ball was long gone. He made that hit as brutal as he possibly could. Those that claim "if he really wanted to be dirty he would have speared him"... no way, going through a guy's head like that is far worse than spear him. Outside of maybe diving straight through a dude's knee (which Burfict didn't have the angle for) there is nothing as potentially brutal as that kind of head shot.

 

[GatorAZ]

The idea that the refs rigged it for the Steelers is flat out comical. If the Bengals don't fumble the ball the game is probably over, if Burfict does not try to decapitate a defenseless player the game is probably over, if the Bengals don't turn the ball over 4 times they probably win by 20.

And the ultimate poo-poo on the ref conspiracy:

Penalties/Yards:

Bengals: 8-79

Steelers: 10-142


THOSE DASTARDLY REFS!!! They so conniving they even went so far as to cover their tracks by giving the Steelers double the Bengals penalties because they knew they could pounce and rig it all... after the Steelers recover a fumble, put their banged up QB back in, drive down to midfield with no time outs and less than 20 seconds left, throw over the middle... and... from there... the Bengals would fall right into the trap the refs and Steelers had placed.

10/10

End of thread.

 

[TheHopToad]

And just to keep the record straight, Pacman didn't get flagged for anything he said or did to Porter. He got a PF for contact with an official.

He and Burfict are thugs, plain and simple. They keep proving that they can't control their emotions. The rest of the league will continue to provoke them until they change.

 

[nashman]

Your putting way to much into that hit because of who it is... It was a hard hit across the middle with a shoulder. Wouldn't have even been a flag a few years ago. But yet you still ignore my point about the first ultra dirty head shot that started all of it! Call the game legit maybe it never gets that dirty. When you screw a team over and incense the whole sideline something bad is probably gonna happen! When you feel like your getting jobbed (they did) your gonna start playing as dirty as your opponent since the refs made it clear they don't consider head shots a penalty! The REFS are the reason it spiraled! Stop using the history of burfict we all know he is scum, but the refs brought it out in this game IMO with their ridiculous rule and penalty interpretations!

 

[Phrazbit]

Your putting way to much into that hit because of who it is... It was a hard hit across the middle with a shoulder. Wouldn't have even been a flag a few years ago. But yet you still ignore my point about the first ultra dirty head shot that started all of it! Call the game legit maybe it never gets that dirty. When you screw a team over and incense the whole sideline something bad is probably gonna happen! When you feel like your getting jobbed (they did) your gonna start playing as dirty as your opponent since the refs made it clear they don't consider head shots a penalty! The REFS are the reason it spiraled! Stop using the history of burfict we all know he is scum, but the refs brought it out in this game IMO with their ridiculous rule and penalty interpretations!

If you cannot see that Burfict hit as despicable with nothing but a pure intent to injure than I don't know what to tell you, you're in a different reality than 99.9% of the world.

As for the refs and rigging it... you're ignoring that the Bengals did about 10 different things to gag that game away. The idea that the refs were biding their time until the very end to hand it to the Steelers is laughable, because the Bengals had multiple opportunities to ice the game and blew it on their own. And again, if Burfict does not try to kill that guy then none of this is even a discussion, the refs and Steelers didn't set him up, its not like that was a phantom call.

It is absolutely insane to me that anyone without an egregious level of bias would view this as a rigging. The Bengals gagged, gagged historically and gagged in a way that was truly poetic given the way they've gone out of their way to bring in some of the more despicable characters in the NFL over the years.

 

[nashman]

I'd say more than .01% think that was just a hard football hit coming across the field with a shoulder by the way! If a different defender makes that hit might not even be flagged. You continue to ignore the helmet to helmet hit that started all the ugliness, so in your mind should that which was worse IMO as its a blatant helmet spearing to the head not an intent to injure? The steelers are thugs as well lots of dirty hits all year but you only focus on burfict to try and back up your point. And to just say refs called both teams for penalties is crap when you hand them an easy kick when without the bogus penalty it's a longer kick in poor rainy conditions that's A HUGE gift!