2018-19 Season | Point Guard Discussion

[devilalum]

This would be a disaster of epic proportions if they lost him for zilch. Not becasue he’s so good but because then we made a trade with zero upside.

Drama much?


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[Carolinacacti]

Your thoughts?

Book gets the Ball with ten seconds left on the shot clock. He will not bring the ball up. Reed will give him breaks. Booker will be fine.

 

[BC867]

Book gets the Ball with ten seconds left on the shot clock. He will not bring the ball up. Reed will give him breaks. Booker will be fine.

That sounds a lot better than having the ball in his hands most of the time. Or guarding Point Guards. I hope you're right.

 

[SirStefan32]

This would be a disaster of epic proportions if they lost him for zilch. Not becasue he’s so good but because then we made a trade with zero upside.

Eh, sometimes a roster spot is more valuable. If letting Melton go for nothing means bringing a real PG in a two-to-three trade (or whatever other uneven scenario), I will be just fine with losing a second round player for nothing.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Drama much?


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I’m just talking in regards to the trade, nothing beyond it. It makes the trade an epic fail imo.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Eh, sometimes a roster spot is more valuable. If letting Melton go for nothing means bringing a real PG in a two-to-three trade (or whatever other uneven scenario), I will be just fine with losing a second round player for nothing.

If they need the spot to accommodate a trade I don’t consider that “for nothing.” But if they don’t need it to facilitate a trade and just lose him it’s awful. If there’s no pending trade and they lose him it’s a fail. If they sign him he can always be waived later to facilitate any trade. He won’t be a lot of dead money. He’s a 2nd round pick b

 

[Mainstreet]

If they need the spot to accommodate a trade I don’t consider that “for nothing.” But if they don’t need it to facilitate a trade and just lose him it’s awful. If there’s no pending trade and they lose him it’s a fail. If they sign him he can always be waived later to facilitate any trade. He won’t be a lot of dead money. He’s a 2nd round pick b

We agree. I think Chriss had at least 2nd round value so losing him as only a trade throw-in would bother me. If I'm the Suns, I keep the two rookie PGs or trade one. Letting Melton walk would smack of the days when the Suns devalued draft picks.

 

[elindholm]

Eh, sometimes a roster spot is more valuable. If letting Melton go for nothing means bringing a real PG in a two-to-three trade (or whatever other uneven scenario), I will be just fine with losing a second round player for nothing.

But it's not a second round player they lost for nothing, it's Chriss. I will say it again: If the Suns were that desperate to get rid of Chriss, surely they could have held him out of the deal and found someone willing to give up a first-round pick for him. Houston's main motivation was to get rid of Anderson and get some sort of rotation player in return; they may have mild interest in Chriss, but he wouldn't have been a deal-breaker.

Anderson is negative value, so unless you see something in Melton, the Suns could have simply waived Knight and Chriss and would be a in better situation than they are now.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I still don't see this trade as a big deal, either way - even if we pay Anderson his entire salary and we never play him or Melton. It still strikes me as a WTF trade but on an importance scale of 1 to 100, it's maybe a 3. The worst part of the deal is that we invested in a long shot and then gave up on him after just 2 seasons. From a distance, that seems pretty lame.

Maybe when we have more facts about why we needed to dump Chriss I'll feel differently but again, he's still a huge long shot. And while Anderson is probably wasted money, so is Knight. Trading for Knight, that was a big deal, a big BAD deal. Trading up to draft Chriss, that too was a bad move. But this one, not a big deal at all no matter how it plays out unless Chriss hits it big IMO.

 

[SirStefan32]

But it's not a second round player they lost for nothing, it's Chriss. I will say it again: If the Suns were that desperate to get rid of Chriss, surely they could have held him out of the deal and found someone willing to give up a first-round pick for him. Houston's main motivation was to get rid of Anderson and get some sort of rotation player in return; they may have mild interest in Chriss, but he wouldn't have been a deal-breaker.

Anderson is negative value, so unless you see something in Melton, the Suns could have simply waived Knight and Chriss and would be a in better situation than they are now.

Fair enough.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm thinking the Suns see more value in Anderson than Knight hence the trade. It's almost that simple. If Anderson doesn't work out, they waive him after this coming season and it will not cost them anymore.

The Suns needed filler in the trade and perhaps Chriss was the logical choice. Maybe we overvalued him. Another logical choice to make the trade work was Daniels but perhaps the Suns think he has more value.

 

[slinslin]

The Suns have until September 5th to sign Melton otherwise he becomes a free agent.

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They need to sign him or trade his rights to a team that wants his rights very soon.

Everything Evan Sidery reports should be suspected as wrong first.

If this was true any 2nd round pick could choose to become an unrestricted free agent.

I am pretty damn sure it is the teams choice to extend an offer and keep the rights. There does not have to be a mutual agreement.

 

[elindholm]

I am pretty damn sure it is the teams choice to extend an offer and keep the rights. There does not have to be a mutual agreement.

The Suns would have his rights until the date he would "normally" have graduated from college, assuming he still has eligibility left. Otherwise, they have his rights until next summer's draft.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q49

 

[Hoop Head]

The Suns have until September 5th to sign Melton otherwise he becomes a free agent.

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They need to sign him or trade his rights to a team that wants his rights very soon.

I'm not seeing how that's possible. I was looking at the CBA rules for draft picks that don't sign and since the Suns traded for his rights I would imagine they have all of the rights associated with drafting Melton themselves. In that case they will hold his rights for no less than 1 year and he might be eligible to enter next years draft but I'm not entirely sure that would be possible since he was an underclassman in college. They should have at least 1 full year though and could possible have until 1 year after he would have graduated and been entered into the draft automatically, which would be the 2022 season. I don't see where that September deadline comes into play though.


http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q49

 

[Hoop Head]

Apparently they need to tender an offer by September 6th, there doesn't need to be an agreement of any sort but the Suns, or whoever holds his rights, would need to make that offer if they wish to keep his rights. That's an entirely different situation.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

That’s good news

 

[Mainstreet]

Everything Evan Sidery reports should be suspected as wrong first.

If this was true any 2nd round pick could choose to become an unrestricted free agent.

I am pretty damn sure it is the teams choice to extend an offer and keep the rights. There does not have to be a mutual agreement.

The Suns would have his rights until the date he would "normally" have graduated from college, assuming he still has eligibility left. Otherwise, they have his rights until next summer's draft.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q49

I'm not seeing how that's possible. I was looking at the CBA rules for draft picks that don't sign and since the Suns traded for his rights I would imagine they have all of the rights associated with drafting Melton themselves. In that case they will hold his rights for no less than 1 year and he might be eligible to enter next years draft but I'm not entirely sure that would be possible since he was an underclassman in college. They should have at least 1 full year though and could possible have until 1 year after he would have graduated and been entered into the draft automatically, which would be the 2022 season. I don't see where that September deadline comes into play though.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q49

I'm sure this is all correct. As Slinslin says, I'm sure all 2nd round picks would become unrestricted free agents otherwise.

Sidery is a fun read if one is looking for entertainment but a lot of it is just that.

I will give him this though, he provides a lot of reading material regarding the Suns when nothing is going on. Suns coverage has weakened on the local front since Scott Bordow departed azcentral.

 

[Chaplin]

I'm sure this is all correct. As Slinslin says, I'm sure all 2nd round picks would become unrestricted free agents otherwise.

Sidery is a fun read if one is looking for entertainment but a lot of it is just that.

I will give him this though, he provides a lot of reading material regarding the Suns when nothing is going on. Suns coverage has weakened on the local front since Scott Bordow departed azcentral.

Even if Bordow was still there, we wouldn’t have a lot right now anyway.

I’m just saying that the past couple weeks shouldn’t be a gauge as to how bad our local coverage is going to be this year.

 

[slinslin]

Evan Sidery consistently makes misleading and inaccurate statements. Most of what he says is just dictated by the twitter hivemind he is living in.

He is pretty much, if you remember the poster Irish George or something, turned blogger. His qualification is basically that he wanted to write articles for the brightside "blog".

 

[Mainstreet]

Apparently they need to tender an offer by September 6th, there doesn't need to be an agreement of any sort but the Suns, or whoever holds his rights, would need to make that offer if they wish to keep his rights. That's an entirely different situation.

I'm hoping to hear if the Suns make the offer to Melton. I don't see why they shouldn't but it would be reassuring to hear about it soon. Maybe we find out about it today.

 

[Mainstreet]

The Clippers have 17 players under contract after they matched the offer sheet for RFA guard Tyrone Wallace.

Perhaps this puts more pressure on them to part with a point guard.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24590368/la-clippers-match-offer-sheet-tyrone-wallace

 

[JCSunsfan]

Its pretty clear that McD and Igor are putting a high priority on defense for pg. This is how a building team evolves. You gather as much young talent as you can and hope and pray a star or two emerges. You identify your star(s)--in this case Booker, and then you build around that player. The point guard Booker needs to play beside has to be very good defensively, a competent passer, and enough of a shooter to keep the opposition honest. Every one of the point guards on the roster has those skills in varying proportions.

So, if we are looking for a starting pg, I think we are looking for those things. That's why I don't think Milos is a match. He is just not good enough defensively.

A Brogdon type of pg would be perfect.

Any of these guys available?
https://fadeawayworld.net/2018/05/23/top-5-best-defensive-point-guards-in-the-nba/

 

[JCSunsfan]

https://hoopshabit.com/2018/09/05/phoenix-suns-5-potential-trades-starting-point-guard/2/

1. Kris Dunn. Warren for Dunn and either Asik or Felicio. Great trade on the face of it, but it takes the Sun out of significant FA space next summer.
2. Markelle Fultz. They suggest Warren for Fultz. Fine. But then its JJ for Fultz, or Bridges and Bender for Fultz. No thanks. Fultz is too young and too much of a risk.
3. Patrick Beverly. Bender for Beverly. Not a bad trade, but Beverly is a one year rental. It would not look good a year from now.
4. Kemba Walker: High cost for a rental. If the Suns were contenders, a trade like this might make sense, but not at this point. It would be better to be patient.
5. Rozier. Great player, but another rental and the cost will be high. I might give the Bucks pick and a young pg like Melton or Okobo, but that is it. I can wait.

Of all of these deals, I think I like Dunn the best. We would just have to find a way to NOT take back extra salary. Maybe throw in the Milwaukee pick.

 

[Chaplin]

https://hoopshabit.com/2018/09/05/phoenix-suns-5-potential-trades-starting-point-guard/2/

1. Kris Dunn. Warren for Dunn and either Asik or Felicio. Great trade on the face of it, but it takes the Sun out of significant FA space next summer.
2. Markelle Fultz. They suggest Warren for Fultz. Fine. But then its JJ for Fultz, or Bridges and Bender for Fultz. No thanks. Fultz is too young and too much of a risk.
3. Patrick Beverly. Bender for Beverly. Not a bad trade, but Beverly is a one year rental. It would not look good a year from now.
4. Kemba Walker: High cost for a rental. If the Suns were contenders, a trade like this might make sense, but not at this point. It would be better to be patient.
5. Rozier. Great player, but another rental and the cost will be high. I might give the Bucks pick and a young pg like Melton or Okobo, but that is it. I can wait.

Of all of these deals, I think I like Dunn the best. We would just have to find a way to NOT take back extra salary. Maybe throw in the Milwaukee pick.

Let's just fix the bad deal we made with Bledsoe and send Milwaukee their pick back for Brogdon.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Let's just fix the bad deal we made with Bledsoe and send Milwaukee their pick back for Brogdon.

I wouldn’t mind that at all, but MKE did not want to give up Brogdon.