2018: Arizona Cardinals - Season Prediction Thread

[POISON]

9-7, call me crazy!

 

[daves]

I do, but I don't know if it's enough to make up for newly made deficiencies in other areas. [....]

I just don't think that the people saying "Well, DJ's back there's no way we're going 8-8 again." That 8-8 record actually exceeded our win expectancy by 2 games(!). That's coaching.

So, do I think that adding David Johnson but decimating the QB position and WR corps is going to make a difference in the W/L column? Not really. I think the absolute ceiling for this team is 9 wins.

Thanks for the clarification - your above post, and some of your others, seemed to imply that you don't think Johnson is a difference-maker. That you think his return will help, but other factors will sink the team, makes more sense (and is probably an opinion shared by many).

I'm not ready to put David Johnson in the same class as Todd Gurley and Le'Veon Bell. I want to see him do it again, and I don't want to see him fumble. I also think that he's too old to hitch your wagon to for the long-term. We're gonna need to draft another back before Josh Rosen is ready to win a championship. By the time Ladianian Tomlinson was DJ's age, he'd had SEVEN 1200+ rushing seasons.

It's a high compliment that I'm comparing DJ to Gurley, Bell, and Tomlinson. I have a pretty high bar for these comparisons.

Based on what Johnson's age and what he's actually done in the NFL, this is a sensible position... but based on watching him play, his speed, power, moves, and hands... i have no problem putting him right there with Gurley & Bell, despite not yet having as many great seasons as Bell has. (No one deserves to be mentioned in a class with Tomlinson until he's had at least 6 1200-yard seasons!)

...dbs

 

[AZ Shocker]

I just think that if DJ gets it going again like 2016...then something is definitely going right. Things go "right" and defense is playing well along with special teams...we win 8-9 games possibly 10.

By the looks of things...Wilks is well liked and respected by his players. I think they will really play for him and ultimately could be the surprise team this year. Yes this year!!!

 

[daves]

Do you really think our QB room is decimated compared to last year? The wr I would say is a wash. We had an injured John Brown & Jaron. How is what we have now so much worse? I would say we improved at QB. I believe Sam is a better QB than Carson. Rosen is better than Gabbert most likely.

I don't think that Bradford's career has been nearly as good as Palmer's... especially considering Palmer's best years. But strictly comparing to the last two seasons, for the purposes of comparing the team's expected QB play this year to its actual QB play the last two years, i absolutely think that Bradford (as long as he lasts) and Rosen (if necessary) can do as well as Palmer's 87 and 84 ratings the last two seasons, and WILL do better than the team's overall 76 passer rating last season.

So, it's a reasonable position to say that the QB room has been upgraded relative to last year.

...dbs

 

[pmacLean]

we will hit the bye week at 8-0 ... yes, that's right, 8-0

 

[kerouac9]

I don't think that Bradford's career has been nearly as good as Palmer's... especially considering Palmer's best years. But strictly comparing to the last two seasons, for the purposes of comparing the team's expected QB play this year to its actual QB play the last two years, i absolutely think that Bradford (as long as he lasts) and Rosen (if necessary) can do as well as Palmer's 87 and 84 ratings the last two seasons, and WILL do better than the team's overall 76 passer rating last season.

So, it's a reasonable position to say that the QB room has been upgraded relative to last year.

...dbs

Bradford did about the same as Palmer's 87 rating and his 54 QBR his last full season in Minnesota. His ceiling is so much lower than Palmer's though.

 

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[daves]

Bradford did about the same as Palmer's 87 rating and his 54 QBR his last full season in Minnesota. His ceiling is so much lower than Palmer's though.

Hmm, says here he had a 99 passer rating and (only slightly better) 57 QBR. All other things being equal (which they're not, but we're discussing whether the QB room is as good as last year's) he should be able to do as well as Palmer did in 2017 - and while Bradford might not make it through the season, neither did Palmer in 2017. Rosen is a relative unknown at this point but i like his chances to do better than Gabbert (70 passer rating, 31 QBR) and Stanton (66 / 37).

...dbs

 

[cardncubfan]

Bradford did about the same as Palmer's 87 rating and his 54 QBR his last full season in Minnesota. His ceiling is so much lower than Palmer's though.

How do you figure his ceiling is so much lower? I'm curious as to why you think so. Injuries can't be the reason since they both have bad knees.

 

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Lol

 

[Arz101]

Bradford is pure trash compared to Palmer so far in NFL achievements.

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[cardsunsfan]

I'm going with 3-13... I thought last year felt uninspired and our special teams were really bad. We lost our QB & our starting running back that some could argue was the best in the game, and we still went 8-8. Strength of schedule always ends up being different by the end of the year so we can't say for certain our schedule will end up tougher than most. I say why not...

 

[cardpa]

DJ better have a good season, he's on my fantasy team. I was going to pick Bell and had second thoughts for the exact reasons he's not reporting. I feel like I dodged a bullet there. Of course the guy who took Bell after me is probably crying in his cereal right now. I did pluck James Conner off of waivers and squirreled him away on my bench just in case he produces.

 

[daves]

DJ better have a good season, he's on my fantasy team.

For the first time in 20 years last year, i had the #1 pick in not one, but both of my leagues. I picked David Johnson in both. For all our sakes, i hope you have better luck with him!!

...dave

 

[iLLmatiC]

For the first time in 20 years last year, i had the #1 pick in not one, but both of my leagues. I picked David Johnson in both. For all our sakes, i hope you have better luck with him!!

...dave

I think you took the best producing back this year. And look at Bell deciding not to report to the team till November.

 

[Buckybird]

How do you figure his ceiling is so much lower? I'm curious as to why you think so. Injuries can't be the reason since they both have bad knees.

Checkdown Sam is & never will be as good as Palmer! Not even close or comparable imo.

 

[Finito]

6-10

 

[cardncubfan]

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Last 16 games; 4200 yards, 23 tds, 5 ints, 69% Comp & 101 rating.

 

[Brak]

6-10, or maybe 7-9 if a late field goal that we all expect them to miss somehow sails through.

I was pretty pumped about the new coaching staff, until I heard Wilks interviewed by Bickley & what's-his-name the other day. That guy has about as much charisma as Jay Cutler. Then again, so does Belichick, so maybe it means nothing.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Rams fan is more positive about my team than me. Dang, I need to revisit my outlook on being a fan of any team.

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Quote of the thread right there. LOL.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

You act like I'm comparing Palmer to Skelton or something.

Why you have to bring Double Deuce into this?

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Bradford is pure trash compared to Palmer so far in NFL achievements.

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What are these NFL achievements? Palmer never even won a playoff game, before coming to AZ.

 

[az jam]

7 & 9.

 

[kerouac9]

What are these NFL achievements? Palmer never even won a playoff game, before coming to AZ.

Seriously?

How many times has Bradford even been to the playoffs? The year he set an NFL record for completion percentage he lead Minnesota to 7 wins.

The fact that we’d recognize starting 15 games as a major accomplishment for Bradford should tell you all you need to know about what Checkdown Sammy has achieved.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Yeah, those 2 playoff starts and losses by Carson, before AZ, really sets him apart....hahahaha

Seriously?

How many times has Bradford even been to the playoffs? The year he set an NFL record for completion percentage he lead Minnesota to 7 wins.

The fact that we’d recognize starting 15 games as a major accomplishment for Bradford should tell you all you need to know about what Checkdown Sammy has achieved.

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