2018 Draft: Wonderlic Scores of top QBs

[BW52]

Your blind faith that he's going to succeed is just as bad as being a "hater, fool, or having an agenda."

I think he'll be a good player and would be happy for the Cardinals to draft him, but to pretend that there's no way he can fail is shortsighted.

There are many circumstances that determine how a player does in the NFL-
you got to have some talent,toughness,intelligence,some athletic ability and be in the right situation to succeed.The right coachinjg,the right offensive or defensive scheme to maximaze your skills etc;.Basically you need to be in te right place at the right time.That`s probably why some guys bounce around for several years in the league and finally find a place where they get a real chance to be impact guys.I hope Brice Butler turns out like that .I just thin right team,right scheme,right Coach all make a difference.

 

[Solar7]

Never said he was foolproof sure thing.Said he will show he is a QB.There is no such thing as a sure thing concerning the NFL.

I've just seen you very defensive of him in a few posts - bordering on getting mad at others for even daring to point out reasons that they're skeptical, be that Wonderlic scores, a thin frame, a dubious choice in agent, his lack of meetings, or his unwillingness to run the 40 at his Pro Day.

There's a lot of things standing out right now that give a lot of us pause.

 

[moklerman]

I've just seen you very defensive of him in a few posts - bordering on getting mad at others for even daring to point out reasons that they're skeptical, be that Wonderlic scores, a thin frame, a dubious choice in agent, his lack of meetings, or his unwillingness to run the 40 at his Pro Day.

There's a lot of things standing out right now that give a lot of us pause.

When someone makes so many "questionable" decisions, it seems obvious to "question" him, right?

Maybe the way he prepares and plays football is completely different than how he approaches the rest of his life but from the outside looking in, it seems only fair to use what information we have to form an opinion.

 

[BW52]

I've just seen you very defensive of him in a few posts - bordering on getting mad at others for even daring to point out reasons that they're skeptical, be that Wonderlic scores, a thin frame, a dubious choice in agent, his lack of meetings, or his unwillingness to run the 40 at his Pro Day.

There's a lot of things standing out right now that give a lot of us pause.

I admit i get a bit hot under the collar about this subject.I do admit being a Louisville fan and a Jackson fan.Myy fandom creeps out at times.The kid has been nothing but a good kid,high character,solid player for the school for 3 years.No trouble at all.A solid hardworking kid..

Just saw a very interesting take at ProFootballTalk by Chris Simms (the former NFL QB and son of Phil Simms) discussing the "fatal Flaws" of the top 5 QBs.Very interesting to hear his ranking and evals.

 

[Solar7]

When someone makes so many "questionable" decisions, it seems obvious to "question" him, right?

Maybe the way he prepares and plays football is completely different than how he approaches the rest of his life but from the outside looking in, it seems only fair to use what information we have to form an opinion.

I question his intelligence to master an NFL offense. I think his other talents are off the charts. By not taking private meetings or other steps he could take to come in and validate to teams that he can do it, I'm worried that he just doesn't want to show it either.

I admit i get a bit hot under the collar about this subject.I do admit being a Louisville fan and a Jackson fan.Myy fandom creeps out at times.The kid has been nothing but a good kid,high character,solid player for the school for 3 years.No trouble at all.A solid hardworking kid..

Just saw a very interesting take at ProFootballTalk by Chris Simms (the former NFL QB and son of Phil Simms) discussing the "fatal Flaws" of the top 5 QBs.Very interesting to hear his ranking and evals.

He can be as high character as possible, but if the intricacies of the position are hard for him to master, it's not going to come down to how good of a kid or how athletic he is, unfortunately.

 

[BW52]

I question his intelligence to master an NFL offense. I think his other talents are off the charts. By not taking private meetings or other steps he could take to come in and validate to teams that he can do it, I'm worried that he just doesn't want to show it either.


He can be as high character as possible, but if the intricacies of the position are hard for him to master, it's not going to come down to how good of a kid or how athletic he is, unfortunately.

I think he has a good as chance of mastering the intricacies as the others.

 

[oaken1]

Tebow is a difficult discussion IMO. While I was not his biggest fan and am just as skeptical of his throwing mechanics, I think there is more to why he isn't in the NFL than just that. Because he was a (religious)rock star, it made it practically impossible to sign him and develop him the way that he needed. If he wasn't so popular, I'm optimistic that he could have been made into a serviceable QB at the NFL level.

But, as Kaepernick has so clearly illustrated, NFL teams do have a line they won't cross. Politics and religion can become too much to take on and I think Tebow suffered from that. Which compounded his shortcomings as a player. On top of all of that, serviceable wasn't really an option for Tebow. His gaudy...unworldly numbers in college skewed any realistic expectations of him IMO.

true... only so much distraction can be handled... I agree on Tebow...he is out for the same reason Kaep is

 

[oaken1]

Well, based on this, I strongly suggest that all 32 teams avoid drafting TJ. He's no better than Tebow or Pryor, who both failed, as a QB prospect and given that he's never caught a pass it's doubtful he can make it as a receiver.

IMO... whoever drafts Jackson should be prepared to let him ride pine for two years to learn. The single biggest learning curve he will have, like most mobile QB's, is learning to stand in the pocket until it is collapsing before he scoots... then use his mobility just to buy more time to make the pass..... he could be a very elusive weapon if he learns to play more like Russell Wilson or Rodgers... but if he tries to play like early Vick or RG III... he aint gonna last three seasons in the NFL..... even as big as Newton is he learned fairly quickly that NFL defenders hit harder than the guys in the SEC did.

 

[Southpaw]

Famous Wonderlic scores;

http://wonderlictestsample.com/nfl-wonderlic-scores/

 

[ajcardfan]

Wow. I just read this thread and the comparison of LJ to Tebow and Pryor are completely ridiculous in my opinion. Jackson is superior to either by a whole lot. Hell, Tebow could barely pass and Pryor could not read a defense if they held up signs saying what they were going to do.

 

[cardpa]

Now that I think about it a little bit, Nolan Cromwell was a QB that moved to safety, Eric Crouch won the Heisman at QB and was asked to move to WR. I think Kyle Rudolph was a QB that moved to TE. Matt Jones was a QB that moved to WR for the Jaguars.

Maybe it happens to black guys more often but it has happened to some white guys too.

70% of players in the NFL are in fact black (latest I found from a 2016 report). A 2014 report had the number at 68%. So the odds of any team asking a black player to move positions are statistically higher than asking a white player. Is asking a black college QB to move to WR any different than asking say a white LT move to RT? Both position changes would result in that player getting less money. We all know the QB and LT positions make more money than WR and RT. NFL owners only have one thing in mind, MONEY! If they think a position switch will make the team better resulting in more wins and a Super Bowl appearance they will ask a player to do so. Being in the SB will result in more money in their pocket. More wins, playoff appearances, etc. always results in more money being made in merchandise sales, ticket sales, etc. It all comes down to money.

A question to everyone since I do not know the answer. Draft position is now slotted as far as contracts are concerned. My question is, does the position the college player plays affect that contract's value. Does a QB get a higher contract if he's drafted at say #1 versus if a Guard is drafted at #1? Are these contracts based on the average pay level in the NFL based on position?

 

[GimmedaBall]

70% of players in the NFL are in fact black (latest I found from a 2016 report). A 2014 report had the number at 68%. So the odds of any team asking a black player to move positions are statistically higher than asking a white player. Is asking a black college QB to move to WR any different than asking say a white LT move to RT? Both position changes would result in that player getting less money. We all know the QB and LT positions make more money than WR and RT. NFL owners only have one thing in mind, MONEY! If they think a position switch will make the team better resulting in more wins and a Super Bowl appearance they will ask a player to do so. Being in the SB will result in more money in their pocket. More wins, playoff appearances, etc. always results in more money being made in merchandise sales, ticket sales, etc. It all comes down to money.

A question to everyone since I do not know the answer. Draft position is now slotted as far as contracts are concerned. My question is, does the position the college player plays affect that contract's value. Does a QB get a higher contract if he's drafted at say #1 versus if a Guard is drafted at #1? Are these contracts based on the average pay level in the NFL based on position?

A good intro into the rookie wage scale:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...need-to-know-about-the-nfls-rookie-wage-scale

A look at how the rookie salary cap translated for the 2017 draft class (keep scrolling to see the entire article):

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonb...round-rookie-salary-projections/#f2343126f049

‘Over-the-Cap’ website that has the numbers for this year’s rookie draft class and $$$ for each team/each round (and the answer to your question).

https://overthecap.com/draft

https://overthecap.com/explaining-the-nfls-rookie-salary-cap/

 

[cardpa]

A good intro into the rookie wage scale:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...need-to-know-about-the-nfls-rookie-wage-scale

A look at how the rookie salary cap translated for the 2017 draft class (keep scrolling to see the entire article):

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonb...round-rookie-salary-projections/#f2343126f049

‘Over-the-Cap’ website that has the numbers for this year’s rookie draft class and $$$ for each team/each round (and the answer to your question).

https://overthecap.com/draft

https://overthecap.com/explaining-the-nfls-rookie-salary-cap/

The Forbes article pretty much tells me that the salaries are slotted regardless of position played and is based strictly on position in the draft so it doesn't matter if the player is a QB or a LT, the pay scale is set to the draft position. Thanks Gimmedaball!

 

[GuernseyCard]

The Forbes article pretty much tells me that the salaries are slotted regardless of position played and is based strictly on position in the draft so it doesn't matter if the player is a QB or a LT, the pay scale is set to the draft position. Thanks Gimmedaball!

Fair enough, but in this case we're talking about the difference between being drafted in the first or second round as a QB and taking a flyer on a wideout in the later rounds.

No one suggested that Allen, a less prolific QB, take reps at tight end even though he has the size and the possible talent to do so.

 

[GimmedaBall]

The Forbes article pretty much tells me that the salaries are slotted regardless of position played and is based strictly on position in the draft so it doesn't matter if the player is a QB or a LT, the pay scale is set to the draft position. Thanks Gimmedaball!

My pleasure to help.

The vet players who negotiated the last agreement made sure that rooks who never played a down in the NFL had to first prove themselves and collect on their second, not 1st contract.

Our man Bradford was the last of the big money #1 picks---I believe his contract was for $78mil. After the agreement, Cam was the #1 QB pick at about $50mil less than Bradford's windfall. Older players still resent Bradford's big deal---see Eric Weedle's comments. (First put on Dire Straits playing 'Money for Nothing')

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...s-been-paid-more-for-nothing-than-any-player/

Bradford has probably earned more money for fewer wins than any QB in nfl history. Fingers crossed that he stays healthy and earns his millions this year from the Cards.

http://www.businessinsider.com/sam-bradford-eagles-rams-contract-nfl-draft-2015-3

All that money that no longer goes to the draft class---in the pool to pay the vets! LOL

 

[GatorAZ]

Took a sample wonderlic test and got this question wrong:

Assume the first two statements are true. All restaurants in Japan serve beverages. Fanta is a popular soda in Japan. Do Japanese restaurants in the United States serve Fanta?

Yes or No

I answered yes and it was incorrect.

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[Southpaw]

Classic thread hijack.

 

[Lefty]

Mason Rudolph will be available in the 2nd round. I would take him over Jackson.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Took a sample wonderlic test and got this question wrong:

Assume the first two statements are true. All restaurants in Japan serve beverages. Fanta is a popular soda in Japan. Do Japanese restaurants in the United States serve Fanta?

Yes or No

I answered yes and it was incorrect.

You must be registered for see images attach

The test did not lie.

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[Garthshort]

Lefty, I agree with your take on Rudolph over Jackson, but I have a feeling that NE takes him in the first. And he'll probably turn out to be another Marino (last QB taken in the first round).

 

[BW52]

Mason Rudolph will be available in the 2nd round. I would take him over Jackson.

ROTFLMAO.

 

[BW52]

Lefty, I agree with your take on Rudolph over Jackson, but I have a feeling that NE takes him in the first. And he'll probably turn out to be another Marino (last QB taken in the first round).

A big guy with a average arm who played in the same crappy defense challenged conference as Mayfield.

 

[oaken1]

A big guy with a average arm who played in the same crappy defense challenged conference as Mayfield.

with two years to sit behind the GOAT.... he might turn out okay.

I like how NE set up some private time with Rudolph at the senior bowl,.... then promptly never spoke of him again and started telling everyone how much they love Lauletta...
count me as one who thinks they take Mason at 31

 

[overseascardfan]

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Interesting report on Wonderlic from back in the day....moral of story, it isn't going to deter teams from taking a guy who scores low. Dick Jauron quote "We've seen guys who score low become great NFL players and seen guys who score high who couldn't even function".