2018 QB Class

[SissyBoyFloyd]

I believe that the smartest teams in this year's draft will be the ones who wait till the later round (S) and take White, Lauletta, or Rudolph. Although the way the pundits have made it seem like all teams are in a place of panic to draft a QB, even they may be overdrafted.

Most years I don't think Darling, Mayfly, Rosenberg, or Vallentine would be considered worth a #1 pick.

 

[cardncubfan]

I believe that the smartest teams in this year's draft will be the ones who wait till the later round (S) and take White, Lauletta, or Rudolph. Although the way the pundits have made it seem like all teams are in a place of panic to draft a QB, even they may be overdrafted.

Most years I don't think Darling, Mayfly, Rosenberg, or Vallentine would be considered worth a #1 pick.

White & Lauletta won't make it past the 3rd. I wouldn't be surprised to see Rudolph chosen in the 1st before pick 20. I'm all for Lauletta or White in the later rounds. I'm also for Rudolph at 15 if the FO deem him the guy.

 

[oaken1]

I believe that the smartest teams in this year's draft will be the ones who wait till the later round (S) and take White, Lauletta, or Rudolph. Although the way the pundits have made it seem like all teams are in a place of panic to draft a QB, even they may be overdrafted.

Most years I don't think Darling, Mayfly, Rosenberg, or Vallentine would be considered worth a #1 pick.

Sam Darnold would have been pegged as a top five draft pick in pretty much any draft of the last 20 years.

6'4" 220lbs 65% completions at a major college against top competition. That gets you top pick consideration no matter what year it is. assuming of course you didnt just play in a few games.

 

[Hoodhero]

I saw a post on NFL Reddit that Brown's want to sign Alex Smith & still draft qb with 1st pick. Also saw another post that Chiefs looking for 2nd rounder for him.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I believe that the smartest teams in this year's draft will be the ones who wait till the later round (S) and take White, Lauletta, or Rudolph. Although the way the pundits have made it seem like all teams are in a place of panic to draft a QB, even they may be overdrafted.

Most years I don't think Darling, Mayfly, Rosenberg, or Vallentine would be considered worth a #1 pick.

This year and the years to come they will. Matter of fact for the modern NFL which has to rely on the fly by night college schemes made to win and not develop, this might go down as one of the best drafts for quarterbacks now

 

[Buckybird]

Also saw another post that Chiefs looking for 2nd rounder for him.

I saw this as well. I think I saw they want another pick or player as well. There’s no way if I’m Keim I’m coughing up a #2 for him. If they truly believe Mahommes is the guy in 2018, they either have to keep Smith or dump him.

Play poker...for a 3 I’d do it, but for a #2 not a chance! It really limits the Cards options for a QB at #15. I just can’t see QBs being picked with our first 2 picks, if ones available. Let the draft play out then weigh your options imo

 

[WisconsinCard]

I saw this as well. I think I saw they want another pick or player as well. There’s no way if I’m Keim I’m coughing up a #2 for him. If they truly believe Mahommes is the guy in 2018, they either have to keep Smith or dump him.

Play poker...for a 3 I’d do it, but for a #2 not a chance! It really limits the Cards options for a QB at #15. I just can’t see QBs being picked with our first 2 picks, if ones available. Let the draft play out then weigh your options imo

I'm not sure If I would even do a 3, only because of his age/contract status. Only got 1 year left on his contract and then that dudes going to want to get paid in the 22-25 mil range. IMO

Might as well just pay Kirk Cousins what he wants and in about 2 or 3 years it will look like a bargain. Then you got your QB for 5 years and you can build the belly of the team with the draft.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I want off the aging/stopgap WB carousel already. We struck gold with Warner and to a lesser degree (due to injuries . . . but aging QB so we get what we should expect in that regard) Palmer. There’s no guarantee that every time we pursue another teams castoff (because they decide to upgrade with an ACTUAL young QBOTF) we will get that same level of return. And what it does is likely place us in the same five-year cycle of being desperate for a QB over and over again. It’s Groundhogs Day.

If we do, indeed, sign a 29 year old cousins to a monster contract or trade a higher than desired draft pick for an old Smith we MIGHT be competitive for five years (2 years of playoffs maybe like Whis and BA). And we build the underbelly of the team. Then when the bill comes due for the newest old QB the “win now” fans will say the club is still competitive at every position except QB and will clamor for another aging QB to keep the “window” open. Rinse and repeat.

At some point the retread luck will run out. At some point the organization has to recognize its time to bite the bullet and really finally go for a long-term solution at QB again. It’s been a decade (right?) since last we did so with ML. I say do it now while we have a new coach. A new coach means he’s not under the must win now pressure. He has time to let a QB grow. Do it now. We need our Goff, our Wentz.

 

[Mainstreet]

I want off the aging/stopgap WB carousel already. We struck gold with Warner and to a lesser degree (due to injuries . . . but aging QB so we get what we should expect in that regard) Palmer. There’s no guarantee that every time we pursue another teams castoff (because they decide to upgrade with an ACTUAL young QBOTF) we will get that same level of return. And what it does is likely place us in the same five-year cycle of being desperate for a QB over and over again. It’s Groundhogs Day.

If we do, indeed, sign a 29 year old cousins to a monster contract or trade a higher than desired draft pick for an old Smith we MIGHT be competitive for five years (2 years of playoffs maybe like Whis and BA). And we build the underbelly of the team. Then when the bill comes due for the newest old QB the “win now” fans will say the club is still competitive at every position except QB and will clamor for another aging QB to keep the “window” open. Rinse and repeat.

At some point the retread luck will run out. At some point the organization has to recognize its time to bite the bullet and really finally go for a long-term solution at QB again. It’s been a decade (right?) since last we did so with ML. I say do it now while we have a new coach. A new coach means he’s not under the must win now pressure. He has time to let a QB grow. Do it now. We need our Goff, our Wentz.

The Cardinals should do both, sign an aging QB like Alex Smith and draft a QB.

 

[Jetstream Green]

This draft is loaded at QB. If we are sitting at 15 and a guy like Mayfield is still around getting close to our pick, move up and snag him. If freaking Allen slips towards us, think about getting him. I also think there are some possible franchise guys like Faulk and White in the second. I am open to Lamar Jackson as early as in the first. The team stated they want a QB who will win, screw the style, adapting to the QB and an appropriate system. We damn well better draft a QB and if this team waits to the third round, they are complete morons and all my respect for Keim and Michael will go out the window because it will not be like his Dad being accused of being cheap but something even more concerning and that is his son being stupid

 

[TJ]

I want off the aging/stopgap WB carousel already. We struck gold with Warner and to a lesser degree (due to injuries . . . but aging QB so we get what we should expect in that regard) Palmer. There’s no guarantee that every time we pursue another teams castoff (because they decide to upgrade with an ACTUAL young QBOTF) we will get that same level of return. And what it does is likely place us in the same five-year cycle of being desperate for a QB over and over again. It’s Groundhogs Day.

If we do, indeed, sign a 29 year old cousins to a monster contract or trade a higher than desired draft pick for an old Smith we MIGHT be competitive for five years (2 years of playoffs maybe like Whis and BA). And we build the underbelly of the team. Then when the bill comes due for the newest old QB the “win now” fans will say the club is still competitive at every position except QB and will clamor for another aging QB to keep the “window” open. Rinse and repeat.

At some point the retread luck will run out. At some point the organization has to recognize its time to bite the bullet and really finally go for a long-term solution at QB again. It’s been a decade (right?) since last we did so with ML. I say do it now while we have a new coach. A new coach means he’s not under the must win now pressure. He has time to let a QB grow. Do it now. We need our Goff, our Wentz.

We're likely to get a stopgap this season, but it is fairly evident that Keim is committed to drafting a QB early. I, too, am sick of the AARP guys.

 

[Solar7]

This draft is loaded at QB. If we are sitting at 15 and a guy like Mayfield is still around getting close to our pick, move up and snag him. If freaking Allen slips towards us, think about getting him. I also think there are some possible franchise guys like Faulk and White in the second. I am open to Lamar Jackson as early as in the first. The team stated they want a QB who will win, screw the style, adapting to the QB and an appropriate system. We damn well better draft a QB and if this team waits to the third round, they are complete morons and all my respect for Keim and Michael will go out the window because it will not be like his Dad being accused of being cheap but something even more concerning and that is his son being stupid

As long as we don’t panic. If Mayfield has a poor pre-draft process and we move up because we haven’t signed a decent stopgap - or we get outbid for our guy and then just select whoever is next, that’s a big miss.

Not that I think we were after him, but it’s like Trubisky last year. The 49ers had their guy and wouldn’t have moved all the way back to #12 to lose him and give us a shot, but moving back one spot and picking up some more picks was very acceptable.

 

[WisconsinCard]

If we do, indeed, sign a 29 year old cousins to a monster contract or trade a higher than desired draft pick for an old Smith we MIGHT be competitive for five years (2 years of playoffs maybe like Whis and BA). And we build the underbelly of the team. Then when the bill comes due for the newest old QB the “win now” fans will say the club is still competitive at every position except QB and will clamor for another aging QB to keep the “window” open. Rinse and repeat.

If we build a team that is consistently in the playoff and a solid roster, then you could afford to gamble with your future draft capitol and move up to get a QBOTF. It's not like most of your picks are going to make a strong roster anyway. As old as this team is now we need to get younger fast, and the way to do that is through the draft. It seems to me that SK planned this thing out to be the year to get younger and that is why he stock piled extra picks.

 

[Buckybird]

It seems to me that SK planned this thing out to be the year to get younger and that is why he stock piled extra picks.

We really haven’t stock piled as many picks as you think Mikey according to what I’ve seen from MJ. We traded away some for Budda & AD.

I think we’ve got 7 or 8 total including the comp picks. The only worth real value is the Calais pick with is a #3

 

[oaken1]

If we build a team that is consistently in the playoff and a solid roster, then you could afford to gamble with your future draft capitol and move up to get a QBOTF. It's not like most of your picks are going to make a strong roster anyway. As old as this team is now we need to get younger fast, and the way to do that is through the draft. It seems to me that SK planned this thing out to be the year to get younger and that is why he stock piled extra picks.

the difference between the oldest and the youngest teams in the NFL is only about three years.
drop a 38y QB, insert 23y QB
drop a 36y LB and insert 27y LB
drop a 43y kicker and insert 24y kicker
drop 35y P,...insert 23y P

then a guy like Brittain Golden...he is 29... has had his moments but never really stood out...so drop 29y WR insert 22y WR

just a few moves like that put us right into range for league average age.

do you notice how Palmer, Dansby and both our kickers are pretty old? That can skew the average quite a bit when you are only talking 53
Frostee Rucker is pretty old too, but the guy is still producing as is Larry who is also 34
Khalif Barnes, 35y OT deep on the depth chart..pretty easy to replace.

then look at the youngest team in the league... the Browns...we dont wanna be the Browns.

but... the Lambs and the Niners... both just got their franchise QB and are in the 10 youngest teams in the league.... that is something to be concerned about because it means they will likely continue to get better over the next few years purely from gained experience.

 

[Solar7]

the difference between the oldest and the youngest teams in the NFL is only about three years.
drop a 38y QB, insert 23y QB
drop a 36y LB and insert 27y LB
drop a 43y kicker and insert 24y kicker
drop 35y P,...insert 23y P

then a guy like Brittain Golden...he is 29... has had his moments but never really stood out...so drop 29y WR insert 22y WR

just a few moves like that put us right into range for league average age.

do you notice how Palmer, Dansby and both our kickers are pretty old? That can skew the average quite a bit when you are only talking 53
Frostee Rucker is pretty old too, but the guy is still producing as is Larry who is also 34
Khalif Barnes, 35y OT deep on the depth chart..pretty easy to replace.

then look at the youngest team in the league... the Browns...we dont wanna be the Browns.

but... the Lambs and the Niners... both just got their franchise QB and are in the 10 youngest teams in the league.... that is something to be concerned about because it means they will likely continue to get better over the next few years purely from gained experience.

I don't think @WisconsinCard is concerned necessarily about whatever that age number pans out at, but that we have a bunch of either current holes (three WRs under contract - one who may retire, no QBs under contract, a gaping hole at CB2, CB3, etc., no FB, doubts at TE), or holes that are soon to emerge in 2019.

 

[oaken1]

I don't think @WisconsinCard is concerned necessarily about whatever that age number pans out at, but that we have a bunch of either current holes (three WRs under contract - one who may retire, no QBs under contract, a gaping hole at CB2, CB3, etc., no FB, doubts at TE), or holes that are soon to emerge in 2019.

well...considering we only have something like 16 guys under contract past the 2018 season...I am pretty sure that stuff will be addressed...and we will get younger and holes will be filled... and new holes created I am sure, lol

 

[Solar7]

well...considering we only have something like 16 guys under contract past the 2018 season...I am pretty sure that stuff will be addressed...and we will get younger and holes will be filled... and new holes created I am sure, lol

Dude, that's why I'm concerned though, haha. If we need to fill up 37 roster spots, I don't want to try to do it with 9 day-3 draft picks over the next two years.

 

[cardpa]

Here is my draft picks. Crazy I know but I expect to find one QB out of the three. People will say you can't do that. I say yes you can. If two of them work out you have great trade bait. I really liked what i saw of Lauletta. He made some really good throws into tiny windows in the Senior bowl.

15: R1P15

QB JOSH ALLEN
WYOMING
47: R2P15

QB KYLE LAULETTA
RICHMOND
79: R3P15

QB MIKE WHITE
WESTERN KENTUCKY
97: R3P33

WR DAESEAN HAMILTON
PENN STATE
135: R4P33

CB DUKE DAWSON
FLORIDA
154: R5P15

LB SKAI MOORE
SOUTH CAROLINA
254: R7P36

LB PETER KALAMBAYI
STANFORD

 

[WisconsinCard]

Here is my draft picks. Crazy I know but I expect to find one QB out of the three. People will say you can't do that. I say yes you can. If two of them work out you have great trade bait. I really liked what i saw of Lauletta. He made some really good throws into tiny windows in the Senior bowl.

So one game you take a day three pick and make him a day two pick? That is the why I hate late risers, usually they are fools gold.

 

[Dback Jon]

So one game you take a day three pick and make him a day two pick? That is the why I hate late risers, usually they are fools gold.

Is it fools gold, or just a FCS level QB finally getting seen?

 

[WisconsinCard]

Is it fools gold, or just a FCS level QB finally getting seen?

I meant late risers in general, not just QBs

 

[Dback Jon]

I meant late risers in general, not just QBs

And the comment still applies - how much is due to general lack of attention vs actual skill level.


Also - like Carson Wentz? I am looking at mocks from this time in 2016 where Wentz isn't even in the FIRST ROUND.

 

[WisconsinCard]

And the comment still applies - how much is due to general lack of attention vs actual skill level.


Also - like Carson Wentz? I am looking at mocks from this time in 2016 where Wentz isn't even in the FIRST ROUND.

"In General" means exactly that. There are always exceptions to the rule, but to use your example CW only started in 23 games. He didn't even start until he was a JR and got hurt his senor year. My wife is from Fargo, so we kind of heard of him. But when your "little" team is beating big time programs and your winning championships you get noticed. So to say he was a late riser...I guess you could say that, but there was chatter about the kid.