2020 Draft

[Mainstreet]

Getting really concerned that James Jones is about to do another major reach...

In the Tankathon mock Tyrell Terry is listed at #21. If his measurements have improved he would not be a major reach.

 

[Yuma]

Getting really concerned that James Jones is about to do another major reach...

I am more worried about trades. His draft picks not as bad as his trades, imho.

 

[Mainstreet]

Another player I like, Precious Achiuwa, interviewed by Suns.

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[Mainstreet]

More on Tyrell Terry.

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[1Sun]

In the Tankathon mock Tyrell Terry is listed at #21. If his measurements have improved he would not be a major reach.

At 10? It most certainly would be.

 

[Mainstreet]

At 10? It most certainly would be.

What does #10 mean besides where the Suns are drafting?

 

[1Sun]

I am more worried about trades. His draft picks not as bad as his trades, imho.

In the end, the trade for Saric and #11 wasn't bad, except Jones drafted the wrong guy at 11. The trade for Baynes and the extra first rounder likewise wasn't bad, except Jones drafted the wrong guy there as well. If we keep Carter and Josh Jackson continues to be a bonehead, that trade is okay. Jones blew the first Ariza trade but then lucked into Oubre.

The only horrible trade was the Warren salary dump.

Jones's major weakness appears to be scouting: Judging NBA talent and building a complete and balanced NBA roster. He seems over-enamoured with players that resemble himself from his playing days.

 

[JerkFace]

If one of the top players doesn’t fall to us I am becoming more willing to get Boston on the phone and try to trade #10 for 14 and 26 (or 30). We can fill the backup Center spot with the late first and put all our free agent money towards a PF.

 

[1Sun]

If one of the top players doesn’t fall to us I am becoming more willing to get Boston on the phone and try to trade #10 for 14 and 26 (or 30). We can fill the backup Center spot with the late first and put all our free agent money towards a PF.

If Boston is willing, I am all for that. Heck, if the Suns want Terry and/or Nnaji, 26 and 30 will likely do the trick (though I would expect and want more value for the #10 than that).

 

[Mainstreet]

If one of the top players doesn’t fall to us I am becoming more willing to get Boston on the phone and try to trade #10 for 14 and 26 (or 30). We can fill the backup Center spot with the late first and put all our free agent money towards a PF.

For conversation, how about Grant Williams, #26 and #30. Another player can be substituted.

 

[JerkFace]

For conversation, how about Grant Williams, #26 and #30. Another player can be substituted.

I would only do the trade if #14 is involved. If the top prospects that are available at #10 are Smith, Achiuwa, Bey, Williams, Okoro, Nesmith, Lewis, and Terry then at least 4 if not more of them are going to be available at #14. None will most likely available at #26 (if Terry really did grow and add weight then I think he will climb, especially after he interviews with teams). I think we need to come out of this draft with a potential starter (not necessarily this year) and I don’t think we can get that from Boston if we trade #10 for 26, 30, and a player that they would be willing to give up (Grant Williams or similar).

 

[Mainstreet]

I would only do the trade if #14 is involved. If the top prospects that are available at #10 are Smith, Achiuwa, Bey, Williams, Okoro, Nesmith, Lewis, and Terry then at least 4 if not more of them are going to be available at #14. None will most likely available at #26 (if Terry really did grow and add weight then I think he will climb, especially after he interviews with teams). I think we need to come out of this draft with a potential starter (not necessarily this year) and I don’t think we can get that from Boston if we trade #10 for 26, 30, and a player that they would be willing to give up (Grant Williams or similar).

Yeah. I was trying to throw something out there different.

Trading down to #14 and one of Boston's other first round picks is the lowest the Suns should go. I'm liking that #10 spot a lot right now.

Maybe some team will sell a pick to the Suns to get a late first rounder or early second rounder.

 

[1Sun]

I would only do the trade if #14 is involved. If the top prospects that are available at #10 are Smith, Achiuwa, Bey, Williams, Okoro, Nesmith, Lewis, and Terry then at least 4 if not more of them are going to be available at #14. None will most likely available at #26 (if Terry really did grow and add weight then I think he will climb, especially after he interviews with teams). I think we need to come out of this draft with a potential starter (not necessarily this year) and I don’t think we can get that from Boston if we trade #10 for 26, 30, and a player that they would be willing to give up (Grant Williams or similar).

Terry growing and adding weight doesn't make him a better decision maker, ball handler or passer. Any team taking him before 26 is reaching. He is a career back-up in the NBA. Actually reminds me a lot of former Suns back-up Negele Knight.

 

[JerkFace]

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[1Sun]

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Those numbers are mediocre, particularly in a Pac 12 that isn't exactly known as a defensive juggernaut of a conference. In addition, Terry averaged 2.6 turnovers to go with those 3.2 assists.

By comparison, Nico Mannion, who had a highly disappointing Freshman year, averaged 14 points, albeit on 39.2% shooting (32.7% from 3 and 79.7% from the line), with 5.3 assists and the same 2.6 turnovers.

Terry was a far superior shooter, but again he can't handle the ball, pass, initiate an offense or make effective decisions with the ball, and even if he grew a inch or two and gained 20 pounds, he is still way too small to play the 2 in the NBA.

Terry is a shooting guard in a small point guard's body.

 

[Phrazbit]

Terry reminds me of Salim Stoudamire. Maybe good for some "instant offense" off the bench, put him in, see if he can get hot, but he needs to improve in several areas to be much more than that.

 

[1Sun]

Terry reminds me of Salim Stoudamire. Maybe good for some "instant offense" off the bench, put him in, see if he can get hot, but he needs to improve in several areas to be much more than that.

Eddie House would be another good comparison. Both had their moments off the bench from time to time, but neither ultimately could stick anywhere in the NBA.

 

[Mainstreet]

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Terry has some Trae Young in his game. He has this quick compact release where he can get his shot off any time. Also can shoot at long range and passes well off the dribble.

He is a good passer and has an NBA game. Already knows how to finish a play. Smart player. Defense will be an issue because of size but overall pluses outweigh minuses. Some teams will regret passing on him.

 

[Mainstreet]

Suns interview Desmond Bane.

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[Mainstreet]

Theo Maledon has not interviewed with the Suns.

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[Mainstreet]

Deni Avdija says he can play positions 1-4.

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[Mainstreet]

Avdija hasn't been in contact with any team yet.

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[1Sun]

Terry has some Trae Young in his game. He has this quick compact release where he can get his shot off any time. Also can shoot at long range and passes well off the dribble.

He is a good passer and has an NBA game. Already knows how to finish a play. Smart player. Defense will be an issue because of size but overall pluses outweigh minuses. Some teams will regret passing on him.

Young averaged almost three times the assists and was a much more prolific scorer. Yes, Terry is smart generally, but he doesn't see the court well. He has a place in the NBA, but back up point guards like him are a dime a dozen.

 

[1Sun]

Suns interview Desmond Bane.

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If they trade back into the mid 20s, I could see him filling the back-up role to Booker. Problem is that he really can't create for himself or others (a weak ball handler and pretty much a one trick pony as an outside shooting specialist who rarely drives or gets to the free throw line), and we already have too many straight catch and shoot guys like that.

 

[Mainstreet]

Young averaged almost three times the assists and was a much more prolific scorer. Yes, Terry is smart generally, but he doesn't see the court well. He has a place in the NBA, but back up point guards like him are a dime a dozen.

I wish the Suns had one the last few seasons at least until Cam Payne came along. Terry will be better than you think if his new measurements hold up.