2021-22 Around the NBA Thread

[GatorAZ]

Klay Thompson may return on Sunday against the Cavaliers.

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When Klay comes back Poole goes to the bench? Poole and Payton combined for 46 vs Miami tonight. They are stacked.

 

[AzStevenCal]

When Klay comes back Poole goes to the bench? Poole and Payton combined for 46 vs Miami tonight. They are stacked.

Yeah I'm starting to think the best chance the rest of us have is if they insert Wiseman into the starting lineup when he comes back.

 

[Mainstreet]

When Klay comes back Poole goes to the bench? Poole and Payton combined for 46 vs Miami tonight. They are stacked.

The Suns aren't too shabby either. It's the Warriors style of play that concerns me the most.

 

[Mainstreet]

@GatorAZ

In regard to the Heat. Miami was already without 11 players.

Jimmy Butler Exits Game With Ankle Injury

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[Dan H]

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[AzStevenCal]

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Do we get any protection on that first round pick?

 

[Mainstreet]

@Dan H

Those Lakers fans. I guess they didn't get much for Christmas.

 

[Proximo]

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This is so stupid it's painful.

These Laker fans think the rest of the NBA is just supposed to be their farm league.

They are stuck with these two bums and better learn to accept it.

 

[GatorAZ]

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Take out the CP3-Russ swap and I do it.

 

[Proximo]

Take out the CP3-Russ swap and I do it.

Are you nuts? Anthony Davis can't stay healthy for a month, and even when he plays he is the worst jump shooter in the league whoose game is mostly taking jump shots.

He is a shell of his former self.

I would not take either under almost any circumstances, definetely not for Ayton.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Are you nuts? Anthony Davis can't stay healthy for a month, and even when he plays he is the worst jump shooter in the league whoose game is mostly taking jump shots.

He is a shell of his former self.

I would not take either under almost any circumstances, definetely not for Ayton.

Total schadenfreude.

I love watching the Laker experiment play out so disastrously. This is what happens when you let players influence player procurement.

 

[Phrazbit]

Take out the CP3-Russ swap and I do it.

Davis provides worse defense, rebounding and effort and all over the course of half the games.

The Lakers dug their grave, let them rot in it.

 

[Mainstreet]

Jazz are trading Miye Oni to Thunder. OKC will receive a 2nd round pick.

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[Mainstreet]

Thunder are waiving power forward Gabriel Deck.

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[GatorAZ]

Are you nuts? Anthony Davis can't stay healthy for a month, and even when he plays he is the worst jump shooter in the league whoose game is mostly taking jump shots.

He is a shell of his former self.

I would not take either under almost any circumstances, definetely not for Ayton.

Yes it’s all about health but AD still averaging 23/10 plus 3+ stocks on a dysfunctional team with no spacing. Even though there’s really no point of discussing this trade in reality he’d be a Jokic/Embiid level
monster here (if healthy).

 

[Mainstreet]

Joe Ingles of the Jazz enters health and safety protocols.

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[Russ Smith]

Draymond needs to learn when to shut up. Dude is always complaining or bad mouthing someone. As his play has regressed his mouth has started up.

He talks too much but play has regressed? He's the odds on favorite right now to win DPOY and Quinn Snyder said he thinks Draymond should be getting MVP mentions. If you watch him play regularly you appreciate how good he is on defense, I don't think there's another guy in the league who routinely blocks 3's like he does and some of them are unreal how far he goes to get them. he talks too much and the T's hurt his team but I do think it's inaccurate to say his play has regressed, he's even shooting better this year. Forgot to add his career high in FG% is 49, I think 2015, he's at 54% right now, so he's 5% above his career best and about 10% above his career average(44.1). This is his best year defensively so far and his best shooting year. his assists are down slightly but that's IMO because they are playing at a slower pace.

I don't agree with what he said btw, they just flat got outplayed in that game.

 

[Russ Smith]

Thompson won't be the player he was, at least not initially, I guarantee it. I bet he will still be able to shoot, especially if left open, but I don't think he will be the defender. the hard cutting off ball player he once was. He might get there down the road but he has been out for 2 years now, the pace of the NBA isn't something that can be replicated in practice.

Klay's return won't be a problem for the Warriors; assuming they ease Klay into the rotation. Wiseman on the other hand... I think he will be a real issue, they were FAR better without him last year. If they force themselves to play Wiseman in order to develop him (probably good idea long term, probably disaster in the short term) I think they struggle in the minutes he plays. He is one of many players who relied on athleticism over skills to dominate at lower levels. He was already struggling to adjust a year ago and now he is coming off a serious injury and on a team with astronomical expectations.

yep there's video of him knocking down like 40 3's in a row, he can still shoot it,but I highly doubt he'll be close defensively to what he was before.

Apparently he gave a 6 finger sign before last nights game, nobody knows if that means he's playing in 6 days, 6 games etc but apparently losing a game to Covid was huge for the team because it allowed them to do some scrimmaging in practice with Klay and that apparently convinced people he's very close to being ready.

I expect him to get spot minutes to start with. Maybe he gets all of Moody's minutes and some of Lee's? I also think they're preparing for this, if you notice GP2 and Poole are on the ball more in recent games. IMO that's because they're going to phase out Chiozza if/when Klay is back and one way to do that is use GP2 as the backup PG to Curry and Poole.

Going to be interesting to see how they work him in.

 

[Russ Smith]

He talks too much but play has regressed? He's the odds on favorite right now to win DPOY and Quinn Snyder said he thinks Draymond should be getting MVP mentions. If you watch him play regularly you appreciate how good he is on defense, I don't think there's another guy in the league who routinely blocks 3's like he does and some of them are unreal how far he goes to get them. he talks too much and the T's hurt his team but I do think it's inaccurate to say his play has regressed, he's even shooting better this year. Forgot to add his career high in FG% is 49, I think 2015, he's at 54% right now, so he's 5% above his career best and about 10% above his career average(44.1). This is his best year defensively so far and his best shooting year. his assists are down slightly but that's IMO because they are playing at a slower pace.

I don't agree with what he said btw, they just flat got outplayed in that game.

QUick Google says Boucher set a record for most blocks on 3's per 100 attempts last year, I can't find any stats on it this year so apparently he's even better at it than Draymond which makes sense as long as he is.

 

[Hoop Head]

He talks too much but play has regressed? He's the odds on favorite right now to win DPOY and Quinn Snyder said he thinks Draymond should be getting MVP mentions. If you watch him play regularly you appreciate how good he is on defense, I don't think there's another guy in the league who routinely blocks 3's like he does and some of them are unreal how far he goes to get them. he talks too much and the T's hurt his team but I do think it's inaccurate to say his play has regressed, he's even shooting better this year. Forgot to add his career high in FG% is 49, I think 2015, he's at 54% right now, so he's 5% above his career best and about 10% above his career average(44.1). This is his best year defensively so far and his best shooting year. his assists are down slightly but that's IMO because they are playing at a slower pace.

I don't agree with what he said btw, they just flat got outplayed in that game.

I didn't realize he was having such a good year. I guess that is a big part of why the Warriors seem to have returned to their winning ways. When I said he regressed I was referring to the last couple of seasons when he had. I know there were other issues but Draymond not playing as well as he was during their title years was part of it. HR seemed to have dropped off in terms of actually being an asset on the floor offensively. He's always been a good defender but offensively he was pretty putrid the last couple of years, probably going back to KD's last season there when it seemed he and Green were feuding.

 

[Russ Smith]

I didn't realize he was having such a good year. I guess that is a big part of why the Warriors seem to have returned to their winning ways. When I said he regressed I was referring to the last couple of seasons when he had. I know there were other issues but Draymond not playing as well as he was during their title years was part of it. HR seemed to have dropped off in terms of actually being an asset on the floor offensively. He's always been a good defender but offensively he was pretty putrid the last couple of years, probably going back to KD's last season there when it seemed he and Green were feuding.

I think he got in better shape last year and it's carried over to this year. ANd I know the Warriors have been pretty up front with him you HAVE to be better at scoring this year because we can't have you and Looney in together this much without you being a bigger threat to score.

His FT shooting is way down this year though

 

[Phrazbit]

Yes it’s all about health but AD still averaging 23/10 plus 3+ stocks on a dysfunctional team with no spacing. Even though there’s really no point of discussing this trade in reality he’d be a Jokic/Embiid level
monster here (if healthy).

He is a big part of the problem when it comes to spacing, he can't shoot from the outside and he doesn't want to play center.

And he has never been on the level of Jokic or Embiid. The Lakers are languishing, fighting for the bubble and New Orleans was trash while he was the center of the show there. His offense is streaky and his defense effort has been inconsistent throughout his career.

And all of that ignores that there is a very good chance that within a couple years (or now) injuries will reduce him to a role player.

 

[GatorAZ]

He is a big part of the problem when it comes to spacing, he can't shoot from the outside and he doesn't want to play center.

And he has never been on the level of Jokic or Embiid. The Lakers are languishing, fighting for the bubble and New Orleans was trash while he was the center of the show there. His offense is streaky and his defense effort has been inconsistent throughout his career.

And all of that ignores that there is a very good chance that within a couple years (or now) injuries will reduce him to a role player.

Davis was first team all-nba 4 times and first team all-D twice. He was the best big man in the league for about 4-5 years and could’ve easily been finals mvp in the bubble. He’s soft and unlikable but there’s no denying his impact when healthy… I can’t explain the shooting thing and why it’s so bad. He used to be unguardable from anywhere within 15 ft in.

 

[Chaplin]

Davis was first team all-nba 4 times and first team all-D twice. He was the best big man in the league for about 4-5 years and could’ve easily been finals mvp in the bubble. He’s soft and unlikable but there’s no denying his impact when healthy… I can’t explain the shooting thing and why it’s so bad. He used to be unguardable from anywhere within 15 ft in.

He was the best player I’ve ever seen live. But he was with New Orleans then.

 

[Phrazbit]

Davis was first team all-nba 4 times and first team all-D twice. He was the best big man in the league for about 4-5 years and could’ve easily been finals mvp in the bubble. He’s soft and unlikable but there’s no denying his impact when healthy… I can’t explain the shooting thing and why it’s so bad. He used to be unguardable from anywhere within 15 ft in.

I think he was pretty overrated in New Orleans, kinda like Towns now.

But regardless, we wouldn't be trading for what Davis was, we'd be trading for what he is and IMO, Ayton is the better player straight up.