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It's reported Rudy Gobert and Kyle Anderson had a heated verbal halftime exchange as well.

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I think the play-in games should be held at a neutral site. Technically neither team is in the playoffs so why have the higher seed host the game? Or maybe a coin flip? It’s not a regular season game nor is it a playoff game. Thoughts?
 

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I'm disappointed at the Suns' strategy of coasting the last few games hoping to avoid injury. If they're afraid of Kevin Durant injuring his stick-like legs or ankles again, they shouldn't have acquired him. I might not like Michael Jordan very much for his ego and obsessiveness, but at least he and his Bulls gave everything they had in every game I ever saw them play. They could be playing the worst team in the league in the last game of the season, and Jordan would still want to beat them by 50 points. Or, as former bad president Jimmy Carter said: "Why not the best?"

I'm surprised to find that James Jones didn't previously work for Gregg Popovich as either a player or executive (although Monty Williams did in both capacities), because they're absolutely Spurs-like in their highly conservative approach. And in blowing off the last few games, they're not giving the ticket buyers their money's worth. At the first Clippers game (and presumably the second), Suns fans are probably there wanting to see Kevin Durant, and don't get to. Instead they get an all-bench game. Meaningless game? It's not meaningless, in that they paid to be entertained by the best players available.

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Docking the Mavs their first round pick entirely would be excessive and serve to punish the Knicks as well, since they should be getting the Mavs pick, and a fine would be meaningless to Cuban.

The most fitting punishment would be to remove the Mavs from the lotto selection and set their pick as the 14th by default, thereby giving it to the Knicks and setting a precedence that I am sure would scare a lot of teams out of repeating the behavior. Not sure if the NBA has the gonads or the creativity for such a punishment though.

How about docking the Mavericks their first available first round pick.
 

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How about docking the Mavericks their first available first round pick.
I think it's still excessive. They did it in full view of everyone so I suspect Dallas thought it was acceptable. I think something along the lines of a warning plus a small fine (or at worst a 2nd round pick) is sufficient to make it clear to the rest of the league that it's inappropriate.
 
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I think it's still excessive. They did it in full view of everyone so I suspect Dallas thought it was acceptable. I think something along the lines of a warning plus a small fine (or at worst a 2nd round pick) is sufficient to make it clear to the rest of the league that it's inappropriate.

Yeah, only being excessively punitive because it's the Mavericks.
 

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Yeah, only being excessively punitive because it's the Mavericks.
No it's excessive and I hate the Mavs and think refs kiss Luka's butt. The Mavs are not the only team tanking. Teams do it every single year. They are just the only team saying the silent parts out loud. Unless the league starts investigating, handing down fines and penalties across the board CONSITENTLY? Nothing is going to change.
 
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No it's excessive and I hate the Mavs and think refs kiss Luka's butt. The Mavs are not the only team tanking. Teams do it every single year. They are just the only team saying the silent parts out loud. Unless the league starts investigating, handing down fines and penalties across the board CONSITENTLY? Nothing is going to change.

I'm being facetious because it's the Mavericks. It wouldn't bother me, though.
 
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I'm not convinced the Lakers beat the wolves at all.

In fact I think I am going to bet on the Wolves. Rudy Gobert out of the lineup actually makes them better, not worse.

I'd feel a lot better about the Wolves chances if they hadn't lost Jaden McDaniels.

The Celtics came into the playoffs last season in upheaval and played well.
 

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I think it's still excessive. They did it in full view of everyone so I suspect Dallas thought it was acceptable. I think something along the lines of a warning plus a small fine (or at worst a 2nd round pick) is sufficient to make it clear to the rest of the league that it's inappropriate.
Why isn't it acceptable?

Houston, San Antonio, and Detroit tanked most of the season, nobody wants to dock picks from them.
 

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I'd feel a lot better about the Wolves chances if they hadn't lost Jaden McDaniels.

The Celtics came into the playoffs last season in upheaval and played well.
Sure for other series maybe - he's not really that important against the Lakers.

Lebron is not too hard to guard at this stage since he is content to just chuck 3's, and I don't think he would have been tasked with AD anyway.
 

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Why isn't it acceptable?

Houston, San Antonio, and Detroit tanked most of the season, nobody wants to dock picks from them.
It's not unacceptable to me, just to the league. Tanking is a difficult issue. Each franchise needs the ability to do what's in their best interest in the short team and in the long term. And sometimes that means taking action that leads to losses. But the league has to maintain the appearance of competitive integrity in addition to satisying the needs of the networks that are paying billions for the NBA product.

The League thought they'd found the magic solution to not only maintain a semblance of competitive integrity but to also insure the networks would have a quality product even as the season winds down. Having a play-in contender choose to sit their stars in a pivotal game defeats the system. From the League office POV, it's far different and far worse than a team trading away vets (or resting them) and playing their kids with an eye to development over winning. JMO.
 

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Sure for other series maybe - he's not really that important against the Lakers.

Lebron is not too hard to guard at this stage since he is content to just chuck 3's, and I don't think he would have been tasked with AD anyway.
That wolves team is too stupid to win a big game in LA, IMO.
 

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I'd feel a lot better about the Wolves chances if they hadn't lost Jaden McDaniels.

The Celtics came into the playoffs last season in upheaval and played well.
No they didn’t. They came in playing like a bat out of hell, smoking the entire league the last 60% of the season.
 

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You are allowed to actively tank, just not so obviously tank. This team purposefully missed the playoffs.
I don't understand why this is a problem, when they and everyone else knows their chances of winning the lottery are better than their chances of winning the title.

Either owners can do what is best for team success or they can't, but since they invested hundreds of millions or more, seems to me they should have that right.
 

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I'm disappointed at the Suns' strategy of coasting the last few games hoping to avoid injury. If they're afraid of Kevin Durant injuring his stick-like legs or ankles again, they shouldn't have acquired him. I might not like Michael Jordan very much for his ego and obsessiveness, but at least he and his Bulls gave everything they had in every game I ever saw them play. They could be playing the worst team in the league in the last game of the season, and Jordan would still want to beat them by 50 points. Or, as former bad president Jimmy Carter said: "Why not the best?"

I'm surprised to find that James Jones didn't previously work for Gregg Popovich as either a player or executive (although Monty Williams did in both capacities), because they're absolutely Spurs-like in their highly conservative approach. And in blowing off the last few games, they're not giving the ticket buyers their money's worth. At the first Clippers game (and presumably the second), Suns fans are probably there wanting to see Kevin Durant, and don't get to. Instead they get an all-bench game. Meaningless game? It's not meaningless, in that they paid to be entertained by the best players available.
Well, they did acquire him. And it makes sense to protect him. There was nothing to be gained and everything to lose by playing in these last two games. I was concerned about the team meshing together, and Durant being rusty, but look at it. When he came back, he fit in seamlessly. The team seems to play together fine. The benefit just does not seem to outweigh the risk. The biggest danger to this team post-season is not chemistry, its injury. So protect against your biggest risk.
 

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The Lakers suck. I don't think much of the wolves either, but LA gets 10,000% more credit than they deserve.
They’re 11-2 in their last 13 games and just rocked the Wolves in Minnesota last week in a game both teams desperately needed.

Neither team is very good, but the Wolves don’t have the emotional maturity to win a big game on the road against a team with Championship experience with LeBron and Davis.

And the idea that LeBron is easy to guard now because all he does is shoot 3s as he averages 29/7/8 on 50% shooting is comical. That’s just straight ignorance talking.
 

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You are allowed to actively tank, just not so obviously tank. This team purposefully missed the playoffs.
Not even sure what this means. Tanking is not allowed. That is what drove the last NBA rule changes. They lowered the odds of the #1 pick (it used to be 25% for the worst team), gave the commissioner discretion to fine NBA teams in hopes of making less incentive to tank their games. The rules define tanking as "when teams lose on purpose to get a better draft position."
 

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I swear what did the Laker owners ever do in a previous life to deserve such luck in this life? In years past they just always seem to have things go their way.. Lucky to make the play in.. now they get a Wolves team with no Rudy.

The basketball gods have a hard on for those scrubs for some reason.
 

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No it's excessive and I hate the Mavs and think refs kiss Luka's butt. The Mavs are not the only team tanking. Teams do it every single year. They are just the only team saying the silent parts out loud. Unless the league starts investigating, handing down fines and penalties across the board CONSITENTLY? Nothing is going to change.
I can remember teams tanking to increase lottery odds. I can NEVER recall a team tanking to avoid the playoffs. Never. May have happened, but seems like a giant outlier and REALLY spits in the face of the concept of competition.
 

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I can remember teams tanking to increase lottery odds. I can NEVER recall a team tanking to avoid the playoffs. Never. May have happened, but seems like a giant outlier and REALLY spits in the face of the concept of competition.
Exactly.

Building a roster to lose is the typical tank. Giving up when you’re essentially out of contention like Portland did, that is another. Those come with the excuse of trying out youth with an eye on the future.

I’ve never seen a team do what Dallas did. It’s unprecedented.
 

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