2023-24 Around the NBA Thread

[Proximo]

Huh? I don't think most people were saying Mikal was not a good player. However, it's the #3 pick. It's not the overall #1. You have a proven commodity verses an unproven player. You may not even get the player you are targeting at #3. Then if that player is a bust you gave up Bridges for basically Simons. I don't think it's the flex you think it is.

I have heard several people say #3 in this draft is better than #1 in the next 2 drafts is likely to be.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I like Scoot, but if he is gone I would want to get out of the #3 pick.

I think Miller is going to be a big ol bust.

Miller needs to add strength and land with the right coach/franchise. I worry about his off court decision making and his inconsistent effort on defense. But I would still probably draft him at 3 or maybe even at 2, he has the potential and the frame to build upon to become an excellent two way forward. But for due diligence, I'd put him in an entertainment room with Ayton for several hours and if they come out best buddies, I'd pass.

 

[Proximo]

Yeah, they would. Bridges is worth more than the #2 pick, he's worth more than Simons and the 2.

This is a pretty lousy draft class.

I even think Wemby is going to tease more than produce and after him there is a huge drop off.

No it's not, the top 3 is unbelievably good. The rest of top 10 is pretty good also

 

[Covert Rain]

I have heard several people say #3 in this draft is better than #1 in the next 2 drafts is likely to be.

That makes zero sense. Outside of a consensus #1, picks 2 and 3 can almost be flopped in any draft. Also, trying to predict who will be in the next couple drafts is dumb. So, much can happen. Players can break out. The Nets would be stupid to make that deal.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Yeah, they would. Bridges is worth more than the #2 pick, he's worth more than Simons and the 2.

This is a pretty lousy draft class.

I even think Wemby is going to tease more than produce and after him there is a huge drop off.

If I had the number 1 pick I'd talk him up as if he's the next-gen combination of Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Kevin Durant and then trade him for a killer package. Wemby has unique skills and could well become the best player of this era but like you, I'd worry too much about his size related injury risks.

 

[Phrazbit]

Miller needs to add strength and land with the right coach/franchise. I worry about his off court decision making and his inconsistent effort on defense. But I would still probably draft him at 3 or maybe even at 2, he has the potential and the frame to build upon to become an excellent two way forward. But for due diligence, I'd put him in an entertainment room with Ayton for several hours and if they come out best buddies, I'd pass.

No it's not, the top 3 is unbelievably good. The rest of top 10 is pretty good also

I am reeeeeeeally low on Miller.

The decision making is a red flag and that he shot about 20 something percent whenever they played good competition... that is the bigger one. He shot 8-41 in the tournament. He went 0-8 when they played Houston earlier in the year, his box scores are littered in horrible games against good teams and him lighting up small, garbage schools.

I'd take Scoot but he has his red flags as well. He is pretty raw, his shooting numbers stunk and he isn't much of a distributor. He has a high ceiling but he's also got a pretty low floor.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I am reeeeeeeally low on Miller.

The decision making is a red flag and that he shot about 20 something percent whenever they played good competition... that is the bigger one. He shot 8-41 in the tournament. He went 0-8 when they played Houston earlier in the year, his box scores are littered in horrible games against good teams and him lighting up small, garbage schools.

I'd take Scoot but he has his red flags as well. He is pretty raw, his shooting numbers stunk and he isn't much of a distributor. He has a high ceiling but he's also got a pretty low floor.

He kind of fell apart late in the season under all the scrutiny over his connection to the murder. I don't know for sure but I think it was more that than due to the quality of opponents. But regardless of how and when he scored those points, for an SEC freshman on a deep team, he put up strong numbers.

 

[Mainstreet]

Mavericks trade for Richaun Holmes using the trade exception. They also get #24 from the Kings.

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[Phrazbit]

Mavericks trade for Richaun Holmes using the trade exception. They also get #24 from the Kings.

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Mavs trying to corner the market on overpaid, unplayable big men.

 

[Yuma]

Mavs trying to corner the market on overpaid, unplayable big men.

What is the story on Boban? They signed him just to sit him.

 

[Raindog]

Mavs trying to corner the market on overpaid, unplayable big men.

Mavs front office seems pretty clueless. They apparently just try some random thing each off season.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Report Nets would not accept #3 and Anfernee Simons for Mikal Bridges.

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I think that’s a mistake by the nets. A scoot/Simmons backcourt is young and dynamic.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I will again point out that Bridges stats in that series were better than the stats Durant put up in the Nets 0-4 defeat the previous season.

I'm excited for the upcoming season but I would undo the Durant trade in an instant, if for nothing than that he could be had for far less now.

Except Durant has a wealth of other playoff success to counter those four games you’re grasping to. Bridges? Nope.

 

[Phrazbit]

Except Durant has a wealth of other playoff success to counter those four games you’re grasping to. Bridges? Nope.

Yeah, but I am a lot more interested in what they've got ahead of them. What Durant was doing in the mid 2010s doesn't help the Suns in the now.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Yeah, but I am a lot more interested in what they've got ahead of them. What Durant was doing in the mid 2010s doesn't help the Suns in the now.

Then don’t look back. Look at this years playoffs where even subpar Durant was pretty freaking good.

 

[Hoop Head]

Then don’t look back. Look at this years playoffs where even subpar Durant was pretty freaking good.

Tough not to look back when we'll be paying for Durant until 2029.

 

[Phrazbit]

Then don’t look back. Look at this years playoffs where even subpar Durant was pretty freaking good.

I was very underwhelmed by his play, he had some brutal stretches. In particular, that game 2 loss against Denver, where he was awful for most of the game, was a killer.

I think he put a lot of pressure on himself in the playoffs this year, and it led to some really awful shot selection and some bad turnovers. Gordon in particular seemed to bait him into strips repeatedly.

But I do have hope that the coaching change and some better supporting cast, hopefully preventing him from getting collapsed on when he drives, will yield better results. A year with new teammates, rather than a few weeks, will probably help too.

 

[Covert Rain]

I was very underwhelmed by his play, he had some brutal stretches. In particular, that game 2 loss against Denver, where he was awful for most of the game, was a killer.

I think he put a lot of pressure on himself in the playoffs this year, and it led to some really awful shot selection and some bad turnovers. Gordon in particular seemed to bait him into strips repeatedly.

But I do have hope that the coaching change and some better supporting cast, hopefully preventing him from getting collapsed on when he drives, will yield better results. A year with new teammates, rather than a few weeks, will probably help too.

Book/Durant worked well together actually helping each other. You are right, Durant struggled with some bad turnovers and shots likely because he was pressing. Having said that? Durant did what great players are supposed to do. If your shot isn't falling help out in other ways. There were games where we would have had next to no FT's if not for him getting to the line. Nobody else on that team was a threat. It was supposed to be CP3 or Ayton but nobody cared when they touched the ball. I think Beal changes that.

 

[Yuma]

Book/Durant worked well together actually helping each other. You are right, Durant struggled with some bad turnovers and shots likely because he was pressing. Having said that? Durant did what great players are supposed to do. If your shot isn't falling help out in other ways. There were games where we would have had next to no FT's if not for him getting to the line. Nobody else on that team was a threat. It was supposed to be CP3 or Ayton but nobody cared when they touched the ball. I think Beal changes that.

Beal can get to the line in the fourth quarter, too. Beal has an array of shots he unleashes on drives to the basket.

Gambo said Beal was due in Phoenix yesterday. Press conference should be soon!

 

[95pro]

it’s so perplexing how the Beale trade received bad reviews while others didnt. Perkins loves the Celtics getting Kristaps. People love the warriors getting cp3, which is awful for them imo, but understand you got to make moves before the draft to maintain some sort of flexibility. I think the best trade is Smart to the Grizz because he’s truly an upgrade over brooks. The Wiz with Jones should be a good more for them too, he should start there now.

 

[Yuma]

it’s so perplexing how the Beale trade received bad reviews while others didnt. Perkins loves the Celtics getting Kristaps. People love the warriors getting cp3, which is awful for them imo, but understand you got to make moves before the draft to maintain some sort of flexibility. I think the best trade is Smart to the Grizz because he’s truly an upgrade over brooks. The Wiz with Jones should be a good more for them too, he should start there now.

Ours was getting rid of two guys we wanted gone and second round picks, for three guys, one of which is an all star player in his prime.

Arguably the Suns have made the two biggest trades in just a few months of each other. AND we kept Ayton in the process. No matter which side you come up on Ayton's value, it's amazing we have him as a potential trade piece or as a Vogel project.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

it’s so perplexing how the Beale trade received bad reviews while others didnt. Perkins loves the Celtics getting Kristaps. People love the warriors getting cp3, which is awful for them imo, but understand you got to make moves before the draft to maintain some sort of flexibility. I think the best trade is Smart to the Grizz because he’s truly an upgrade over brooks. The Wiz with Jones should be a good more for them too, he should start there now.

Conversely GS is being praised for paying to get out from under Poole's contract, but Washington was torn apart for for not getting enough in return for Beal's much bigger contract. Albeit, Beal is certainly the better player than Poole.

 

[Yuma]

Conversely GS is being praised for paying to get out from under Poole's contract, but Washington was torn apart for for not getting enough in return for Beal's much bigger contract. Albeit, Beal is certainly the better player than Poole.

AND analysts I am watching are saying this is brutal for GS who likes to run and push the ball, but now they have CP3, the original slow the pace PG! The styles don't match. Unless I see CP3 drop about 20 pounds and get his run on in this off season, he will essentially be out of the plays when they run the ball.

 

[AzStevenCal]

it’s so perplexing how the Beale trade received bad reviews while others didnt. Perkins loves the Celtics getting Kristaps. People love the warriors getting cp3, which is awful for them imo, but understand you got to make moves before the draft to maintain some sort of flexibility. I think the best trade is Smart to the Grizz because he’s truly an upgrade over brooks. The Wiz with Jones should be a good more for them too, he should start there now.

I think the Celtics won the offseason trade award thus far, a close second place to the Suns. All told it's not a good move for Memphis IMO. Smart's a strong leader but he's over the top sometimes and I don't think that will mesh well with the Memphis group. And yes he's an upgrade over Brooks but Memphis also parted with 2 first round picks and Tyus Jones who IMO is almost as valuable as Marcus Smart.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

AND analysts I am watching are saying this is brutal for GS who likes to run and push the ball, but now they have CP3, the original slow the pace PG! The styles don't match. Unless I see CP3 drop about 20 pounds and get his run on in this off season, he will essentially be out of the plays when they run the ball.

I could see some value if they can convince CP to come off the bench. I have also seen mention of them doing what they did with D'Angelo Russell and showcase him in the first half of the season and try and move him at the deadline for some depth.