2023-24 Around the NBA Thread

[CardNots]

“In their first season together in 1997-98, Robinson and Duncan shared the load equally as Robinson averaged 21.6 points, 10.6 rebounds and 2.63 blocks, while Duncan averaged 21.1 points, 11.9 rebounds and 2.51 blocks.”

 

[Mainstreet]

Dario Saric signs a 1-year deal with the Warriors.

Dario Saric, Warriors Agree To One-Year Deal

Dario Saric Warriors Agree To One Year Deal - RealGM Wiretap

basketball.realgm.com

 

[JCSunsfan]

Duncan came into the league at 21, David Robinson was 24. Most young players need more developmental time, not only for their games but also as human beings befor the are ready the NBA. And young people are generally more immature for longer now than they were 30 years ago. Sociologists now are saying that adolescence is stretching to near 30 years old for many.

It seems the case with Ayton.

 

[Mainstreet]

These are the only teams left with cap space.

Yossi Gozlan @YossiGozlan

about 11 minutes ago

The Spurs ($15M), Magic ($11M), Pacers ($7.5M), and Rockets ($4.3M) are the only teams with cap space remaining.The Kings had a little bit left but are now capped out after officially re-signing Trey Lyles.Pistons, Jazz, and Thunder also capped out.capsheets.com

 

[Mainstreet]

Paul Reed signs an offer sheet with the Jazz that has some kickers.

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[SunsTzu]

Paul Reed signs an offer sheet with the Jazz that has some kickers.

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I was really high on Reed coming out. Haliburton and Reed was my dream scenario for that draft.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Ainge trolling the Sixers. lol

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[Mainstreet]

I was really high on Reed coming out. Haliburton and Reed was my dream scenario for that draft.

I didn't follow Reed much, but Haliburton was my guy.

 

[Yuma]

I was the only person who was mad when we traded Nash for Kidd. I didn't know anything about Nash. Sports Illustrated did a piece on him, and he was such a basketball junkie he would practice dribbling using a golf ball in between classes in college. I came away thinking if that guy is willing to look like an idiot in front of all those ladies in college, he is REALLY dedicated to basketball. That spurred me to read everything I could on him. Then he showed real flashes when he got into games for us. I was marveling at his skills. When we traded him I was so pissed. Guys at work were so happy we got Kidd. I was slamming stuff around. Of course in hindsight, Nash doesn't become Nash if he never goes to the Mavs, where he and Dirk paired up to develop their NBA games. What's funny is when I lived by Lake Tahoe I met Kidd and talked to him a couple times. He's really cool. Not that this means anything, but Kidd looks skinnier in person than he does on TV. TV does add 10 points for him.

 

[Yuma]

I didn't follow Reed much, but Haliburton was my guy.

Still, is he worth $260 mil? He's good, but THAT good? Of course Ishbia would have signed him for that. I gotta quit thinking cheap. LOL!

 

[Mainstreet]

The Jazz are playing hardball.

 

[GatorAZ]

Duncan came into the league at 21, David Robinson was 24. Most young players need more developmental time, not only for their games but also as human beings befor the are ready the NBA. And young people are generally more immature for longer now than they were 30 years ago. Sociologists now are saying that adolescence is stretching to near 30 years old for many.

It seems the case with Ayton.

Duncan would’ve been the #1 pick in 96’ but returned to Wake for his Sr season. What’s crazy is the 96’ draft was a top-3 draft all-time anyway and probably goes down as the greatest draft in sports history had Duncan come out that year. Luckily for him the Spurs tanked and won the lottery in 97’. As great as he wasn’t winning 5 titles in Philly with Jerry Stackhouse.

 

[Mainstreet]

Still, is he worth $260 mil? He's good, but THAT good? Of course Ishbia would have signed him for that. I gotta quit thinking cheap. LOL!

How much is a star franchise point guard worth and a player that a team builds around?

In today's NBA, if you don't pay it, another team will.

 

[Yuma]

How much is a star franchise point guard worth and a player that a team builds around?

In today's NBA, if you don't pay it, another team will.

Like I said, I watched a former GM saying after one of the new CBAs came in, and the thought was, how can the players agree to THAT? The former GM said, it's not about the players, it's the owners trying to keep themselves from spending. We look at how restrictive this CBA is supposed to be, but about a week into it and teams are still spending like money is water. If the owners were trying to restrict their spending, this CBA is a failure right out of the gates! LOL! This just changed some rules here and there, but end of the day, talent is getting paid!

 

[Mainstreet]

Like I said, I watched a former GM saying after one of the new CBAs came in, and the thought was, how can the players agree to THAT? The former GM said, it's not about the players, it's the owners trying to keep themselves from spending. We look at how restrictive this CBA is supposed to be, but about a week into it and teams are still spending like money is water. If the owners were trying to restrict their spending, this CBA is a failure right out of the gates! LOL! This just changed some rules here and there, but end of the day, talent is getting paid!

However, I see the money drying up. Few teams have cap space anymore.

Good players are being traded for second round picks. That's how tight money is.

I bet the new CBA goes back to the bargaining table before it expires in 7 years.

 

[Yuma]

However, I see the money drying up. Few teams have cap space anymore.

Good players are being traded for second round picks. That's how tight money is.

I bet the new CBA goes back to the bargaining table before it expires in 7 years.

I flipped my thinking on this. On the bottom end, now guys who are older, or G League talent, will get those minimum offers to play in the NBA when they probably should be playing elsewhere, because teams will need those guys to fill out roster spots now. Plus the lower teams who have cap space, are paying guys the contracts. So you play in Houston for a bit, get your money, then get traded to a top team, etc. I can see this will still be a have and have not league. It's just offering those lower clubs chances to have stars for a while. Guys will still want to play in LA, etc.

 

[Mainstreet]

I flipped my thinking on this. On the bottom end, now guys who are older, or G League talent, will get those minimum offers to play in the NBA when they probably should be playing elsewhere, because teams will need those guys to fill out roster spots now. Plus the lower teams who have cap space, are paying guys the contracts. So you play in Houston for a bit, get your money, then get traded to a top team, etc. I can see this will still be a have and have not league. It's just offering those lower clubs chances to have stars for a while. Guys will still want to play in LA, etc.

I mostly see the money being reshuffled, but now here is a limit.

However, there are probably more NBA caliber players than ever before, so they will provide a ready supply of vet minimum, two-way contract and G-League players.

In other words, I think the CBA has created a tier of lower paid quality NBA talent. Maybe the Suns philosophy of spend the bank and fill in with lower paid players works in this new environment.

 

[Yuma]

I mostly see the money being reshuffled, but now here is a limit.

However, there are probably more NBA caliber players than ever before, so they will provide a ready supply of vet minimum, two-way contract and G-League players.

In other words, I think the CBA has created a tier of lower paid quality NBA talent. Maybe the Suns philosophy of spend the bank and fill in with lower paid players works in this new environment.

I think of it this way. New CBA came out. It's like a new board game. Ishbia seems to be that friend you have that reads all the rules of the game, and pulls off stuff while you are playing and points out, "it's in the rules!" It seems we were the only team that initially reacted to the Aprons, etc, and decided to go over them on purpose. It took other teams a few days to catch up to us. It seems very purposeful we chose that strategy you outlined: "

Maybe the Suns philosophy of spend the bank and fill in with lower paid players works in this new environment."

 

[Carolinacacti]

Young talent will have to play in the G league or stay in College. Benches will be filled with vet mim players.

 

[Hoop Head]

However, I see the money drying up. Few teams have cap space anymore.

Good players are being traded for second round picks. That's how tight money is.

I bet the new CBA goes back to the bargaining table before it expires in 7 years.

The players are going to bend the owners over the table in 7 years. They always get theirs. This puts them in great position for next set of negotiations. This won't go back to the table early unless there is a reason for either side to do so and the concessions they'd need to make to get to the table early would be too costly. Look for a more favorable deal next time around.

I actually like the new CBA, as an NBA fan. If the Suns hadn't made the KD trade I don't think we'd view the new CBA as negatively as we do. I DON'T WANT TO REHASH THE INTRICACIES OF THAT DEAL AGAIN. I'm only saying as a medium to small market team, it limits the larger market squads abilities to hoard players and have big 3's and a collection of valuable role players. Of course now we have an owner who says market size be damned and is spending big for a winner so this is all happening at a bad time for us but it would have made us more competitive throughout the last 20 years if owner wasn't such a penny puncher. The new CBA definitely aims at creating more parity across the league.

 

[Mainstreet]

The Hawks trade for Patty Mills.

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[Mainstreet]

Greg Popovich isn't leaving now that he has a young center to groom.

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[Dan H]

Just saying, Duncan was a generational talent. Don’t sell him short. He kicked out ass enough times for sure …

 

[Dan H]

Young talent will have to play in the G league or stay in College. Benches will be filled with vet mim players.

That’s good for the game overall I think.

 

[CardNots]

Just saying, Duncan was a generational talent. Don’t sell him short. He kicked out ass enough times for sure …

You missed the point entirely so we’re done. I violated my rule, don’t argue a point more than once it’s useless.