2023-24 Free Agency

[Raindog]

Some of these contracts are just wild. All of a sudden Beal and Ayton's contracts don't look so bad.

Indeed. All of the talk about the Suns being stuck with a bunch of overpriced, bad contracts and skirting the salary cap apron(s)... not so much anymore.

Several of these other teams are now also right up against (or over) one or the other aprons, and are going to be stuck with bad contracts on less worthy guys than the Suns are paying... which is also going to make them tougher to dump in another season or two should they falter or have injury issues. Suns not looking so crazy/dumb after all.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Stupid money

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[Dr. Jones]

Mikal basically across the street.

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[Dr. Jones]

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[Dr. Jones]

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[Yuma]

The chips are coming off the board. TC and Eric Gordon still out there!

 

[Mainstreet]

Indeed. All of the talk about the Suns being stuck with a bunch of overpriced, bad contracts and skirting the salary cap apron(s)... not so much anymore.

Several of these other teams are now also right up against (or over) one or the other aprons, and are going to be stuck with bad contracts on less worthy guys than the Suns are paying... which is also going to make them tougher to dump in another season or two should they falter or have injury issues. Suns not looking so crazy/dumb after all.

The problem, as I understand it, the Suns can't bundle any players in an outgoing trade because they are over the 2nd tax apron.
All their contracts are large, except for Payne and the vet minimum players. It's hard to do a trade like that.

Also, the only players the Suns can sign are vet minimum players except for perhaps Craig, early bird rights.

 

[Proximo]

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I really don’t know what Houston is doing.

 

[Yuma]

The problem, as I understand it, the Suns can't bundle any players in an outgoing trade because they are over the 2nd tax apron.
All their contracts are large, except for Payne and the vet minimum players. It's hard to do a trade like that.

Also, the only players the Suns can sign are vet minimum players except for perhaps Craig, early bird rights.

True, but I liked yesterday. I think we got a lot of value. Being over the second apron by being so top heavy got guys taking less to come here. Interesting strategy.

 

[Evil Ash]

I really don’t know what Houston is doing.

Thats ok, they don't know either

 

[Raindog]

The problem, as I understand it, the Suns can't bundle any players in an outgoing trade because they are over the 2nd tax apron.
All their contracts are large, except for Payne and the vet minimum players. It's hard to do a trade like that.

Also, the only players the Suns can sign are vet minimum players except for perhaps Craig, early bird rights.

But the point is the Suns are paying for a roster that can actually win it all. The vast majority of these other teams are at (or in some cases, over) the same threshold, and in many cases, with guys on worse contracts... but aren't going to come close to winning anything for it.

 

[Mainstreet]

True, but I liked yesterday. I think we got a lot of value. Being over the second apron by being so top heavy got guys taking less to come here. Interesting strategy.

True, but I don't know if this strategy can work year in and year out, filling out a roster with minimum players.

 

[Yuma]

True, but I don't know if this strategy can work year in and year out, filling out a roster with minimum players.

It only has to work once!

 

[Mainstreet]

It only has to work once!

Yeah, but which season?

 

[Yuma]

Yeah, but which season?

Any!

 

[Germz249]

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Come on Gordon and Wood!

 

[Mainstreet]

But the point is the Suns are paying for a roster that can actually win it all. The vast majority of these other teams are at (or in some cases, over) the same threshold, and in many cases, with guys on worse contracts... but aren't going to come close to winning anything for it.

A lot of people think the Nuggets, Lakers, and Bucks can win it along with the Suns.

The concern on NBA TV is the Suns are top-heavy.

However, I think the Suns are better balanced than last season and have added another star. They talk about what if one of the Suns stars gets injured, but this applies to every contender.

 

[Phrazbit]

Mikal basically across the street.

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For some reason I had it in my head that Hart was older than that crowd.

He’s an entertaining character.

 

[Finito]

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I like Sabonis but not for 43 million a year

 

[Finito]

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Can’t wait till next year when people complain about Ayton’s contract.

Holy hell

 

[Proximo]

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I like Sabonis but not for 43 million a year

Insane. makes ayton look like a bargain.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Stupid money

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Good grief.

 

[Hoop Head]

The problem, as I understand it, the Suns can't bundle any players in an outgoing trade because they are over the 2nd tax apron.
All their contracts are large, except for Payne and the vet minimum players. It's hard to do a trade like that.

Also, the only players the Suns can sign are vet minimum players except for perhaps Craig, early bird rights.

They can combine salaries of players who make less than the league average. So say we resign Craig at $8m per, we can combine him with a minimum deal for a $10m player. We could not combine him with Payne though for 1 player making more than the league average, which is roughly the MLE. They'd combine for $14m and that's too much. We could bring back 2 or 3 players making that much total but no one player making at or more than the average.

There's some info in #86.

NBA Salary Cap FAQ

 

[Phrazbit]

I was very curious how this new CBA would effect spending, it is clear that the intent was to try to get teams to only offer these long, massive deals to actual superstars and create more balanced spending.

That clearly didn't happen. These teams can't help themselves. Some really mediocre guys got max deals, some flat out trash players got 15-20 million a year.

Insanity.

This honestly might have been the stupidest couple days of NBA spending since the big CBA jump and goof balls like Mozgov got 70 million.

Beals' deal will be hard to move, but unless Ayton goes full Ben Simmons on us, that contract will likely have positive value in a year.

 

[CardNots]

Hornets re-signed LaMelo Ball for 5 years $260m...

For a part time player, wow