2023 Phoenix Suns Offseason

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Bol Bol Avg 17 vs Denver off the bench.

 

[Yuma]

Some in the media keep thinking the Suns will implode at point guard.

I guess they haven't been paying attention.

I am more worried about the 5 position. I feel we have ball handlers and more proven wings. The five spot we are depending on Ayton coming through again. However, Ayton could arguably be the fifth starter in order of importance, which makes him less of a dependence.

 

[95pro]

I am more worried about the 5 position. I feel we have ball handlers and more proven wings. The five spot we are depending on Ayton coming through again. However, Ayton could arguably be the fifth starter in order of importance, which makes him less of a dependence.

We have two good backups. And Bol now.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I am more worried about the 5 position. I feel we have ball handlers and more proven wings. The five spot we are depending on Ayton coming through again. However, Ayton could arguably be the fifth starter in order of importance, which makes him less of a dependence.

My worries go from Durant's health to Booker's health to Beal's health to Gordon's health to Ayton's consistency to Ayton's backup.

 

[Mainstreet]

I am more worried about the 5 position. I feel we have ball handlers and more proven wings. The five spot we are depending on Ayton coming through again. However, Ayton could arguably be the fifth starter in order of importance, which makes him less of a dependence.

I'd like to have more depth at the 4/5 as well. Maybe the Suns add another big man on a two-way contract that provides some insurance.

 

[Yuma]

I am watching a Washington analyst Mike Prada who said Beal and Porzingas had a great two man game going. It sounded like the plays Beal and Porzingas ran were similar to Ayton and CP3. We may see some of those plays even though CP3 ia gone. Sounds like Beal is used to playing off a big in a two man game. This could be where Vogel may be going to feed Ayton.

 

[Hoop Head]

We have two good backups. And Bol now.

Who are these 2 backups? I count 1 in Eubanks. Bol is most definitely not a C. He's barely a PF, more of a SF.

 

[Hoop Head]

I am watching a Washington analyst Mike Prada who said Beal and Porzingas had a great two man game going. It sounded like the plays Beal and Porzingas ran were similar to Ayton and CP3. We may see some of those plays even though CP3 ia gone. Sounds like Beal is used to playing off a big in a two man game. This could be where Vogel may be going to feed Ayton.

That's wishful thinking for a few reasons. DA can't shoot like Porzingis. Using him on the perimeter is a recipe for disaster. Ayton also can't handle the ball like Porzingis. DA is one of the worst 5's in the league at moving with the ball. Plus Beal and Ayton running any sort of 2 Man game would be so far down the things this offense should focus on, I wouldn't count on it happening more than 10 times all season.

 

[Proximo]

We have two good backups. And Bol now.

Metu is not a center, neither is Bol.

Eubanks is undersized.

I have to agree against Denver we are heavily leaning on ayton.

 

[Mainstreet]

The way I'm looking at it, the Suns want some length to guard the rim as a last line of defense.

Centers and power forwards can do both. Ayton, Eubanks, Metu, Bol Bol, Durant and Camara will all provide varying degrees of help.

 

[BirdGangThing]

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Bol Bol Avg 17 vs Denver off the bench.

:championship:

 

[Phrazbit]

Metu is not a center, neither is Bol.

Eubanks is undersized.

I have to agree against Denver we are heavily leaning on ayton.

There isn’t anyone that’s going to stop Jokic from getting his numbers.

We need to try to put the best team on the court that we can and not try to counter what other teams are doing.

Also, Bol isn’t a forward either. The only thing he does well is block shots, so he probably should be inside.

 

[overseascardfan]

There isn’t anyone that’s going to stop Jokic from getting his numbers.

We need to try to put the best team on the court that we can and not try to counter what other teams are doing.

Also, Bol isn’t a forward either. The only thing he does well is block shots, so he probably should be inside.

Bol has wing skills, ball handling and a jump shot. He is more suited to playing F than dealing with bigger guys like Embiid, Jokic, Towns, Lopez etc.

 

[Folster]

Metu is not a center, neither is Bol.

Eubanks is undersized.

I have to agree against Denver we are heavily leaning on ayton.

Who was Denver's back-up center? DeAndre Jordan barely played in the playoffs. They went small when Jokic was on the bench

 

[Phrazbit]

Bol has wing skills, ball handling and a jump shot. He is more suited to playing F than dealing with bigger guys like Embiid, Jokic, Towns, Lopez etc.

He doesn't have ball handling or a jump shot. He has a sky high turnover rate, I know everyone loves that clip of him going to coast to coast but he has countless plays of losing the ball off his legs, just having it fly out of his hands or having it ripped away smaller players. His assist to turnover ratio is abysmal.

His jump shot is also awful.

Bol Bol Shot Chart 2023 | StatMuse

Bol Bol shot 54.6% (261/478) overall and 26.5% (30/113) from three in 69 games in 2022-23. (Shot Chart)

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He is a reeeeally bad shooter. Among the worst "wing" area shooters in basketball, including a ghaslty sub 20% from the corners. Unless he is right under the hoop or dead on in front of it he is a terrible shooter.

He isn't a wing, he should be playing center.

 

[Mainstreet]

As I understand it, Ish Wainright's salary is not guaranteed until 1/10/24, so the Suns still have time to make a decision about his contract.

 

[Hoop Head]

He doesn't have ball handling or a jump shot. He has a sky high turnover rate, I know everyone loves that clip of him going to coast to coast but he has countless plays of losing the ball off his legs, just having it fly out of his hands or having it ripped away smaller players. His assist to turnover ratio is abysmal.

His jump shot is also awful.

Bol Bol Shot Chart 2023 | StatMuse

Bol Bol shot 54.6% (261/478) overall and 26.5% (30/113) from three in 69 games in 2022-23. (Shot Chart)

www.statmuse.com

He is a reeeeally bad shooter. Among the worst "wing" area shooters in basketball, including a ghaslty sub 20% from the corners. Unless he is right under the hoop or dead on in front of it he is a terrible shooter.

He isn't a wing, he should be playing center.

I agree with everything but that last line. He should be a stretch big, not a Center but a Channing Frye type. He needs to work on his shot all summer and hopefully getting some open looks will up his percentage.

If he were on a 2 year deal we'd have reason to develop him but all we're doing now is helping him secure a payday beyond next season so he should only see the floor when it benefits the team.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I agree with everything but that last line. He should be a stretch big, not a Center but a Channing Frye type. He needs to work on his shot all summer and hopefully getting some open looks will up his percentage.

If he were on a 2 year deal we'd have reason to develop him but all we're doing now is helping him secure a payday beyond next season so he should only see the floor when it benefits the team.

Agree. He’s not a center. He doesn’t have the girth or the game. He has the requisite skills to play out on the floor he just needs further development to hone them and to better grow his decisionmaking. The kid has upside but is really rough.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I am more worried about the 5 position. I feel we have ball handlers and more proven wings. The five spot we are depending on Ayton coming through again. However, Ayton could arguably be the fifth starter in order of importance, which makes him less of a dependence.

In a small ball lineup that is not really that small, both KD and Bol can play the 5. This line up has lots of versatility.

The greatest need is a real distributor.

 

[overseascardfan]

He doesn't have ball handling or a jump shot. He has a sky high turnover rate, I know everyone loves that clip of him going to coast to coast but he has countless plays of losing the ball off his legs, just having it fly out of his hands or having it ripped away smaller players. His assist to turnover ratio is abysmal.

His jump shot is also awful.

Bol Bol Shot Chart 2023 | StatMuse

Bol Bol shot 54.6% (261/478) overall and 26.5% (30/113) from three in 69 games in 2022-23. (Shot Chart)

www.statmuse.com

He is a reeeeally bad shooter. Among the worst "wing" area shooters in basketball, including a ghaslty sub 20% from the corners. Unless he is right under the hoop or dead on in front of it he is a terrible shooter.

He isn't a wing, he should be playing center.

By your logic, Okogie should be a C and not a wing. Bol can improve his 3pt shooting of course but he can bring the ball up court and has some handles. Is he a PG, no but I've seen true wings that don't have handles. Bol is more of a wing than a C, he is tall yeah but he isn't a guy that is going to back true PF's and C's down in the paint. You're saying he should be a C but he is not.

 

[AzStevenCal]

By your logic, Okogie should be a C and not a wing. Bol can improve his 3pt shooting of course but he can bring the ball up court and has some handles. Is he a PG, no but I've seen true wings that don't have handles. Bol is more of a wing than a C, he is tall yeah but he isn't a guy that is going to back true PF's and C's down in the paint. You're saying he should be a C but he is not.

I don't know enough about Bol to offer an opinion but if the primary reason he's considered to be a small forward is that he can't play center, that concerns me. I want a small forward that plays there because he can positively impact the game from that position, not because he sucks everywhere else.

 

[Yuma]

I don't know enough about Bol to offer an opinion but if the primary reason he's considered to be a small forward is that he can't play center, that concerns me. I want a small forward that plays there because he can positively impact the game from that position, not because he sucks everywhere else.

We have Metu, who is a PF, but can play Center in small ball line ups. Don't these two cancel each other out?

 

[AzStevenCal]

We have Metu, who is a PF, but can play Center in small ball line ups. Don't these two cancel each other out?

Sorry, I'm not into cancel culture. Besides, if this guy was all that special wouldn't his name be Metu Metu?

 

[BirdGangThing]

In a small ball lineup that is not really that small, both KD and Bol can play the 5. This line up has lots of versatility.

The greatest need is a real distributor.

We don't need no distributor - aside from getting rid of Ayton we are all set

 

[overseascardfan]

I don't know enough about Bol to offer an opinion but if the primary reason he's considered to be a small forward is that he can't play center, that concerns me. I want a small forward that plays there because he can positively impact the game from that position, not because he sucks everywhere else.

I guess the appeal of Bol is he's a wildcard low risk high reward gamble. His length can be a factor on defense because he is mobile and cover a lot of ground so you have to be aware of where he is or your shot could be blocked. Also, I think he could help on the boards which would definitely be a plus. If he can improve his 3pt shot he can be another 3&D guy and he is on a 1 year deal so its not like PHX is saddled with a bad contract.